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This particular article caught my attention while I've been reading up on stuff from Worlds since I arrived home from Helsinki. Are the Spanish now pushing Javi towards that 4Lo? Because as it's been discussed a few times before, backloading jumps, removing a 3A to add another 4T or doing a 3-3-3 don't really add more than a couple of points so none of those could be considered as increasing the difficulty of his program.

Nice to see the Spanish media has been generally very kind to Javi despite losing out on a medal. :thumbsup:
 
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This particular article caught my attention while I've been reading up on stuff from Worlds since I arrived home from Helsinki. Are the Spanish now pushing Javi towards that 4Lo? Because as it's been discussed a few times before, backloading jumps, removing a 3A to add another 4T or doing a 3-3-3 don't really add more than a couple of points so none of those could be considered as increasing the difficulty of his program.

Nice to see the Spanish media has been generally very kind to Javi despite losing out on a medal. :thumbsup:

Here´s how Hanyu´s team has done with the jumps (he has two triple axels):

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/wc2017/wc2017_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

I´d suppose it would work with Javi, too, if he gets the quad loop consistent? The skater though needs to be clean and that means a lot of hard work gradually, and not leaving too much for the last month before the Olympics.
 
This particular article caught my attention while I've been reading up on stuff from Worlds since I arrived home from Helsinki. Are the Spanish now pushing Javi towards that 4Lo? Because as it's been discussed a few times before, backloading jumps, removing a 3A to add another 4T or doing a 3-3-3 don't really add more than a couple of points so none of those could be considered as increasing the difficulty of his program.

Nice to see the Spanish media has been generally very kind to Javi despite losing out on a medal. :thumbsup:

I knew which article you were talking about even before I clicked the link. Most articles have been kind to him, but some I've come across (like this one and one that said he was "unrecognizable") were not so much :/ It seems like they do want him to add a 4Lo, but I think it would require a lot of shuffling around with the rest of the jumps: he could have to either move one of his quads or the 3A to the 2nd half. It might need some trial and error to see which jump he would be more consistent with in the 2nd half, that on top of adding the 4Lo, which he hasn't started to train seriously yet. It would be risky to do so next season.

On the other hand it seems to be necessary in order to keep up with the young guys: Shoma has incorporated his 3rd type of quad (and seeing how he suddenly adds quads out of nowhere, he could add the salchow), Boyang has attempted the 4Lo this season, and we've seen what Nathan is doing who even with mistakes and lower PCS, outscored him in the FS. And since 2 out of 3 of these guys delivered and scored some BIG numbers, Javi can't count on them to make mistakes. Hielo Español said his team is making plans for improving the 2nd mark, but his PCS are almost maxed out, even with mistakes he scores over 90 in PCS and they have a limit, and going by Worlds, at least Shoma can already score PCS comparable to his. So idk how advantageous that would be.

Anyways, I hope that, if he upgrades his content it will be by his own decision and because he wants to grow, and not because he feels pushed to do it. It's very veyr likely that next season will be his last, and it would be a shame that he couldn't enjoy it because of it.
 
Anyways, I hope that, if he upgrades his content it will be by his own decision and because he wants to grow, and not because he feels pushed to do it. It's very veyr likely that next season will be his last, and it would be a shame that he couldn't enjoy it because of it.

I think that overall, Javi's current jump content is fine. He isn't attempting a 5-6 quad LP that Nathan Chen is doing, but Javi doesn't need to. Plus, I can't help but be worried about what training that content could do for Nathan's health and (I guess from what happened at Worlds) his equipment.

I haven't done the math, but I wonder how many more points he can get with keep basically the similar jump content and moving higher point jumps in the second half. If he stays healthy, it may be a more viable option.
 
Anyways, I hope that, if he upgrades his content it will be by his own decision and because he wants to grow, and not because he feels pushed to do it. It's very veyr likely that next season will be his last, and it would be a shame that he couldn't enjoy it because of it.

Although I've heard/read somewhere (sorry, my brain is still all over the place after the intensity of Worlds) that Tracy has already been persuading Javi to start training the 4Lo more seriously, I don't think his team would "force" Javi to include the jump. Brian has already established plenty of times that these kind of decisions have to be arrived at by the athletes themselves. Just the way it was when Javi himself wanted to add the 2nd quad to his SP and the 2nd 3A to his FS in the middle of last season.

Despite all the laziness jokes surrounding him, Javi is a very determined guy. I'm absolutely sure the events in Helsinki have only made him more hungry and he wants to head into the Olympic season as a top gold medal contender. A couple of months ago I would have said Javi would definitely stick to his guns about not adding (or at least seriously training) the 4Lo, but now I'm not so sure. I think the appearance of new quads will slow down for the Olympic season compared to this absolutely crazy past year, but by no means stop altogether, so whatever would have been enough for Javi to hold on to a win this time with a clean FS, may not be the case next season.
 
I haven't done the math, but I wonder how many more points he can get with keep basically the similar jump content and moving higher point jumps in the second half. If he stays healthy, it may be a more viable option.

3.4 points or so if I recall correctly, which is less than half of the difference between a quad and a triple.
 
Although I've heard/read somewhere (sorry, my brain is still all over the place after the intensity of Worlds) that Tracy has already been persuading Javi to start training the 4Lo more seriously, I don't think his team would "force" Javi to include the jump. Brian has already established plenty of times that these kind of decisions have to be arrived at by the athletes themselves. Just the way it was when Javi himself wanted to add the 2nd quad to his SP and the 2nd 3A to his FS in the middle of last season.

Despite all the laziness jokes surrounding him, Javi is a very determined guy. I'm absolutely sure the events in Helsinki have only made him more hungry and he wants to head into the Olympic season as a top gold medal contender. A couple of months ago I would have said Javi would definitely stick to his guns about not adding (or at least seriously training) the 4Lo, but now I'm not so sure. I think the appearance of new quads will slow down for the Olympic season compared to this absolutely crazy past year, but by no means stop altogether, so whatever would have been enough for Javi to hold on to a win this time with a clean FS, may not be the case next season.

Of course. It always has to come from him, and the TCC coaches give their skaters a lot of autonomy. For example, they respected both Javi's strategy of trying to go clean and Yuzuru's of upping his tech. I meant that he felt too pressured by the rest of the field so he would feel like he NEEDS to do it. Not just because he wants to.
 
I knew which article you were talking about even before I clicked the link. Most articles have been kind to him, but some I've come across (like this one and one that said he was "unrecognizable") were not so much :/

Do you remember where you saw the article saying that Javi was "unrecognizable"? If you could link to it, I'd love to read it. Thanks in advance!
 
Do you remember where you saw the article saying that Javi was "unrecognizable"? If you could link to it, I'd love to read it. Thanks in advance!

Here. They don't really say much other than that word and that they said it was "one of his worst performances since he is part of the elite". But still, I think they could have used any other adjective that didn't sound so bad. The man is already making history for the sport! And he got over 190and 300 total, how is that bad...
 
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[http://www.hoy.es/deportes/mas-dep...undial-helsinki-20170330164949-rc.html"]Here. They don't really say much other than that word and that they said it was "one of his worst performances since he is part of the elite". But still, I think they could have used any other adjective that didn't sound so bad. The man is already making history for the sport! And he got over 190and 300 total, how is that bad...

Thanks for the article. Although the link didn't work (my computer??), I was able to find it pretty easily on the hoy.es website. The article was tough, but fair, imho. It conveyed the sense of disappointment that Javi felt after the free skate. What I found particularly informative was the extended quote from Javi about what was going on in his head before stepping out on the ice. It sounds like Javi learned an invaluable lesson, albeit one he had to learn the hard way. Since he's already won the World Championship twice, the sting of this loss should fade quickly. And the experience he gained will help him grow as a competitor and will further fuel his desire in the upcoming Olympic season. All in all, I think it's a positive that Javi went through this.
 
Thanks for the article. Although the link didn't work (my computer??), I was able to find it pretty easily on the hoy.es website. The article was tough, but fair, imho. It conveyed the sense of disappointment that Javi felt after the free skate. What I found particularly informative was the extended quote from Javi about what was going on in his head before stepping out on the ice. It sounds like Javi learned an invaluable lesson, albeit one he had to learn the hard way. Since he's already won the World Championship twice, the sting of this loss should fade quickly. And the experience he gained will help him grow as a competitor and will further fuel his desire in the upcoming Olympic season. All in all, I think it's a positive that Javi went through this.

I messed up the link, fixed now :) Yeah, at least it really does sounds like he's not taking it hard. Skating last and listening to the reactions of the crowd from Yuzu's, Boyang's and Shoma's FS must have messed with him badly. He said he was even able to hear the scores. But it's best for it to happen here than at the Olympics, this will be valuable learning experience for him :yes:
 
I don't know. I feel like he needs to answer the younger skaters in some way, or be at their mercy. On the other hand, it does seem like the others could be pushing toward injury, especially Nathan. Since he'll be second guessed no matter what, I guess he has to do what he feels is right.

I'm a big fan of the new exhibition program, my sister even more so! Very unique way of moving. Definitely don't think anyone else could pull that off.

It's true, programs really are everything in an Olympic year. Didn't Brian say he and Yuzu have been saving their best music and ideas?
 
Wow, just read that article, it's kind of harsh. It's definitely not one of his worst performances, but the winners all had a clean FS. The competition got insane, sure, but they're making it sound as though he completely bombed it. It was actually one of his best totals, we're just in a crazy world where that's no longer enough. Poor Javi, though, I really hope he medals at the Olympics, he was so close last time...
 
It sounds like Javi learned an invaluable lesson, albeit one he had to learn the hard way. Since he's already won the World Championship twice, the sting of this loss should fade quickly. And the experience he gained will help him grow as a competitor and will further fuel his desire in the upcoming Olympic season. All in all, I think it's a positive that Javi went through this.

I agree. Javier has to be ready to skate well after a competitor(s) has skated brilliantly, and it's better that this happened here than at the Olympics. Shoma learned from his terrible Worlds last year, and Javier will learn from this too. He needs to be ready for a variety of scenarios and different skate orders. Since he skated brilliant FS at last year's Worlds and brilliant SP this year, I am hopeful that he can skate both segments brilliantly at next year's Olympics. :luv17:

I think the appearance of new quads will slow down for the Olympic season compared to this absolutely crazy past year, but by no means stop altogether, so whatever would have been enough for Javi to hold on to a win this time with a clean FS, may not be the case next season.

I'm nervous about this as well. I want Javier to get an Olympic medal of any color, and while obviously he wants to maximize his chances for the gold, I think Javier wants an Olympic medal at minimum this time to complete his career. Leaving Vancouver without a medal was no big deal since he was at the beginning of his career, leaving Sochi without a medal was disappointing given how he had emerged as a top 3 contender, but leaving Sochi without a medal would be very bitter indeed.

I don't know what the best strategy is. Incorporating a new quad, and a drastically different layout into his program in an Olympic season? Sticking with his current layout and hoping that others might make a few mistakes? But if he skated perfectly cleanly in both segments, and everyone else skated cleanly, would his TES be so far behind that his PCS won't make up for it? I'd hate to see him botch a layout that is too tough for his body to handle at this stage in his career, and I'd hate to see him skate cleanly but still off the podium. If there was ever a moment that I could use a crystal ball...
 
Sorry for neglecting the thread during the Worlds, but it was soooo busy all the time and I was just too tired to write anything at the end of each day after the competitions began. But it was a bit of a rollercoaster, wasn't it?

I am extremely happy that I got to witness the perfect Malaguena (well, the first spin which happened almost in front of me and the little stumble before the 3A made my heart stop for a millisecond) and equally sorry for what happened in the FS. But the way he was able to deconstruct and analyze that situation directly afterwards was cool to see. Hope they will be able to do better, if a similar situation comes up next season!

Both competition moments were made even better and less disappointing as I was able to share them with tureis and evergreen :luv17: My other skating friends are not that much into Javi and so meeting those two was a special and amazing treat!!! And the reaction when we met in the foyer after the gala and each basically went a little crazy for having gotten to see Touck of Evil live :biggrin: I saw him in the shadows before he stepped on ice, recognized the costume and almost started to scream out loud for joy!! I thought it had been dead and buried. It did not go down well in Asia in 2015, but this audience took it much better.

Javi is back in Toronto looking quite happy and relaxed. In a Cope radio interview he said that they will start working on the new programs already towards the end of this month - so the musics have been selected and all is set and ready. It will be interesting to see whether one of them gets introduced in the shows in the summer (like Black Betty in 2014). I am also curious to see how much information they will let out on what kind of music they will use...

What these plans mean considering the tech content particularly in the FS, remains to be seen. He is competetive in the SP - there's not that much more that can be done techwise with that by anyone -, but the FS is a different story. He needs to have two good/very good programs to be competetive with Chen, Hanyu, Jin and Uno who all afford to make mistakes (unless everyone of them goes clean). Introducing the 4Lo this late in the game sounds extremely risky to me and also, we have really no idea what his physical condition is. He keeps rubbing his right leg and knee in practices - and I think in increasing amounts, but that might just my freaking-out imagination taking off... Can he handle the brutal work required by getting that new jump into the FS? And all the other changes that it would also involve? Would it be too much mentally, too?

His summer program looks quite light - there is the Ice Chips in Boston this weekend, then in the beginning of May a gig in Spain before hitting FaOI in Japan at the end of May. So, it seems that the focus is clearly on the Olympic season and getting ready for it. It'll be interesting to see what kind of competitions he gets/chooses to do during the fall - personally, I wish for the two European GPs as the GPF is in Japan. The fate of Rostelecom and Europeans in Moscow seems to be still not 100% decided. Milan is now certainly on as the venue for Worlds, but who knows whether he will participate in it after the Olympics?

Miki was actually discussed somewhat in Helsinki, but so few facts (if any, really) are known that for all we know, he might as well be engaged with some Russian girl as suggested by Tatiana Tarasova when commenting on the Europeans in January :laugh: :laugh:

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Javi is back in Toronto looking quite happy and relaxed. In a Cope radio interview he said that they will start working on the new programs already towards the end of this month - so the musics have been selected and all is set and ready.

His summer program looks quite light - there is the Ice Chips in Boston this weekend, then in the beginning of May a gig in Spain before hitting FaOI in Japan at the end of May. So, it seems that the focus is clearly on the Olympic season and getting ready for it. It'll be interesting to see what kind of competitions he gets/chooses to do during the fall - personally, I wish for the two European GPs as the GPF is in Japan. The fate of Rostelecom and Europeans in Moscow seems to be still not 100% decided. Milan is now certainly on as the venue for Worlds, but who knows whether he will participate in it after the Olympics?E

It´s good to read that he is back in Toronto and they will start working on the new programs!!! Hopefully the new freeskate will be such a masterpiece as "Guys & Dolls" was. It became such, because the music gave it that chance, that´s why the music is soooo important.

And I´m very happy that his summer schedule is light and he will be focusing on the Olympic season.
 
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I'm still not getting over the final result at Worlds in Helsinki and haven't touched the whole FS video at all. Because of Fuji TV's blocking of all the videos on YouTube and Dailymotion (I usually collect clips for missed events without any spolier), I unwillingly had to click the result page, and them boom...I couldn't accept the fact that Javi was off the podium. I was devastated for that, so also missed the whole FD segment as well. I'm relieve to hear that Javi seems to move on from the experience and planed to do for the Olympic season, but I'm still very sad and have no courage to click and watch the men's FS segment. Sorry for me being such a downer.
 
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