Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[xibsuarz]

Of course not. Ashley did not get the GP she wanted. And Javi kind of have to do back-to-back event because of this too, imo (I suspect US Fed didn't want him). That's why I said unless the Fed doesn't want him, he would get his preferred GP. Both SC + TdF or COR+NHK does not look to be inconvenient for him though.

Javier actually had some compromises outside of skating the week of SA which included going to Japan, and he said he would not be ready in time for SC. And well, if USFSA didn't want him there, Nathan didn't compete in SA and ended up going against Javier at TDF anyway, so there wasn't much point in it
Though of course, NHK and COC were out of the question. Just like how COC is out of the question for Yuzu since Boyang will be host pick.
Oh the speculation of GPs helps making this non-competition time endurable :yes:

I'm unsure as to whether he would share an event with Javier. Not sure either of them (or Brian) would like to face each other before the Final...

 

[fishheadanon]

But I thought it was because Yuzu wanted to go against Patrick and that's why he went to both of the GPs where he was? And well, back then Dice was the big money maker for JSF, it would be logical for him to compete in Japan. Yuzu is definitely in that position now, so I don't think that, if he's not at NHK, it would be because he's not invited but rather because he turned it down.

Wasn't it dangerous for him to go against Patrick twice back then? It's risking the chance to get into GPF which is obviously the main goal for doing GPs. Honestly, I have no idea what the JSP was thinking at the time.

 

[xibsuarz]

Wasn't it dangerous for him to go against Patrick twice back then? It's risking the chance to get into GPF which is obviously the main goal for doing GPs. Honestly, I have no idea what the JSP was thinking at the time.

I think that was on him because at the time, what was important was the Olympics, not the GPF. And he wanted to compete against the gold medal favorite as much as he could, which was Patrick. Though I wonder, since he was 4th, did he know where 1-3 seeds had chosen to go?

 

[mcq]

Ah okay sorry, then I understood it wrong, I thought you meant it's Yuzu decision and not JSF if he does NHK or not

Personally, I'm fine with either combination as long as he has one event in Europe #selfish But even if not, I'll survive (there is Milan after all!). I also have a feeling he'll share one of his GPs with Patrick and one with Javi. Personally, I'd love it if he had one with Boyang so some of the 4Lz juju can rub of early (even though I know it's not possible) I also think Boyang will have to go against Nathan in both his GPs...

Sorry too, I am bad with words I don't mind which GP too honestly as long as it is a convenient GP for him, it is not like I am going to attend any I would be really "huh???" though, if he gets SA. That is the least I expected because it is the most inconvenient for him + I would expect Boyang meeting Nathan at both GP would make both USFSA and JSF happy. I don't think the Spanish/Canadian Fed would oppose it too?

That said, I guessed wrong last year. I thought he would not be going to SC again and Javi would get SA (Boyang got SC) and he could somewhat go to CoR and NHK but I was wrong. Though someone guessed that Yuzu would prefer SC again because it was in Missisauga and he did not have to travel at all + Javi probably did not want to meet Patrick and rather go to back-to-back event in Europe. This year if he gets SC+TDF it would be like 2013/2014 all over again (and the GPF was also in Japan lol).

P.S : ISU Congress means there will be changes in rules even if it is minor too, I think? That draw rules, starting time rules and Zayak rule amendment were established last year. i wonder what they would be up to this year

Javier actually had some compromises outside of skating the week of SA which included going to Japan, and he said he would not be ready in time for SC. And well, if USFSA didn't want him there, Nathan didn't compete in SA and ended up going against Javier at TDF anyway, so there wasn't much point in it
Though of course, NHK and COC were out of the question. Just like how COC is out of the question for Yuzu since Boyang will be host pick.
Oh the speculation of GPs helps making this non-competition time endurable :yes:

I'm unsure as to whether he would share an event with Javier. Not sure either of them (or Brian) would like to face each other before the Final...

I think at that time of SA, Nathan was not the golden boy yet, Jason was. Chen was just out from hip surgery and nobody really knew how he would do, remember? Boyang is more beatable by jason compared to Javi/Yuzu back then. This year, I think USFSA would be pulling strings again to get Boyang over Yuzu/Shoma. Or maybe this year they actually would do anything to get Yuzu/Shoma because beating them would be a good boost for Nathan. I can't tell really

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Wasn't it dangerous for him to go against Patrick twice back then? It's risking the chance to get into GPF which is obviously the main goal for doing GPs. Honestly, I have no idea what the JSP was thinking at the time.

I don't think JSF is all that smart when it comes to maximizing chances for their skaters to get to GPF... they choose Yuzu and Dai for NHK 2012, and look at the mess they produced in Junior ladies

As for Yuzu and Javi sharing one event: I really doubt that it matters. They'd be super likely to go 1-2. For either, there is a chance they might loose to another of Patrick/Shomas/Nathan/Boyang too, and additionally even 2 2nd places mean the GPF is still very likely (and they could of course win their other event). Right now, we have a pretty clear top 6 in the world, and I'm not sure the GPs are going to change that next season.

 

[mcq]

I don't think JSF is all that smart when it comes to maximizing chances for their skaters to get to GPF... they choose Yuzu and Dai for NHK 2012, and look at the mess they produced in Junior ladies

As for Yuzu and Javi sharing one event: I really doubt that it matters. They'd be super likely to go 1-2. For either, there is a chance they might loose to another of Patrick/Shomas/Nathan/Boyang too, and additionally even 2 2nd places mean the GPF is still very likely (and they could of course win their other event). Right now, we have a pretty clear top 6 in the world, and I'm not sure the GPs are going to change that next season.

I think it is actually better for them to go against each other. Yuzu losing to Javi or vice versa would be better for their "reputation" rather than losing to younger skaters. Especially Yuzuru who almost always bomb his first GP. (Nothing wrong, it is required for the sake of the balance of the worlds )

 

[katonice]

P.S : ISU Congress means there will be changes in rules even if it is minor too, I think? That draw rules, starting time rules and Zayak rule amendment were established last year. i wonder what they would be up to this year

Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but just wanted to ask what Zayak rule amendments were put in place last year? I'm not that good with keeping tracking of all the rule changes.

 

[mcq]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but just wanted to ask what Zayak rule amendments were put in place last year? I'm not that good with keeping tracking of all the rule changes.

Lol both Patrick and Yuzuru was the victim of outrageous Zayak rule ruling in 2015. Yuzuru got his entire combo not counted at SC 2015 SP while for Patrick it happened at GPF 2015 SP. After that, they change the rule that if you Zayak in a combo, only the zayaked jump will not be counted, not the entire combo.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

I think it is actually better for them to go against each other. Yuzu losing to Javi or vice versa would be better for their "reputation" rather than losing to younger skaters. Especially Yuzuru who almost always bomb his first GP. (Nothing wrong, it is required for the sake of the balance of the worlds )

True true. And given that Javi and Patrick are basically Outfit Twins (at least in practices) maybe the universe wouldn't see a big difference between Yuzu losing his first event against Javi or Patrick. So losing CoR against Javi could be a good plan

 

[katonice]

Lol both Patrick and Yuzuru was the victim of outrageous Zayak rule ruling in 2015. Yuzuru got his entire combo not counted at SC 2015 SP while for Patrick it happened at GPF 2015 SP. After that, they change the rule that if you Zayak in a combo, only the zayaked jump will not be counted, not the entire combo.

I see. Thanks thanks for answering my question!

 

[Danibellerika]

I think at that time of SA, Nathan was not the golden boy yet, Jason was. Chen was just out from hip surgery and nobody really knew how he would do, remember? Boyang is more beatable by jason compared to Javi/Yuzu back then. This year, I think USFSA would be pulling strings again to get Boyang over Yuzu/Shoma. Or maybe this year they actually would do anything to get Yuzu/Shoma because beating them would be a good boost for Nathan. I can't tell really

Unless Yuzu goes undefeated next season (which I wouldn't mind in the least) I wonder if that would apply to anyone he is up against.

 

[Lambari]

Unless Yuzu goes undefeated next season (which I wouldn't mind in the least) I wonder if that would apply to anyone he is up against.

I'm sorry to interrupt but Yuzuru going undefeated at the Olympic season, assuming that you meant by this all of the events prior to the Olympics, would make my whole being combust. :scard8:

 

[YuzusHydroblade]

Off topic, something old, but i have to gush about this, guys.
I just love the face he makes after they asked him "We want to see your long limbs!" He doesn't seem to like that kind of attention at all hahaha (But then... Purple Pants of Sin...)
And i am in love with his lines. This one is especially for Fayruza <3

 

[shiroKJ]

Lol both Patrick and Yuzuru was the victim of outrageous Zayak rule ruling in 2015. Yuzuru got his entire combo not counted at SC 2015 SP while for Patrick it happened at GPF 2015 SP. After that, they change the rule that if you Zayak in a combo, only the zayaked jump will not be counted, not the entire combo.

It was sad that it took the World's top 2 skaters being a victim for the ISU to realize " ....something seems off about this rule...? "

 

[gladiolusc]

Off topic, something old, but i have to gush about this, guys.
I just love the face he makes after they asked him "We want to see your long limbs!" He doesn't seem to like that kind of attention at all hahaha (But then... Purple Pants of Sin...)
And i am in love with his lines. This one is especially for Fayruza <3

His face is just majorly expressive :luv17: Probably more like he's not sure quite how to respond. So that becomes his response.

 

[liv]

all sorts of thoughts are going through that head... you can see the wheels turning as he ponders what to do next, lol.

 

[Lambari]

That made me think of his perfect performance of "SEIMEI" in Barcelona GPF last season. After he opened up his arms to the "dan—" at the finish, Hanyu-senshu formed sword seals (bringing middle and index fingers together to form the "sword") with both hands and brought them together in front of his body to a close. What did that movement mean?

When I went to check upon returning home (from Barcelona), I realized that television footage had zoomed in on his facial expression immediately after "dan—". After that, they switched to the audience, and there was no sword seal action to be found. It was after reviewing the movie 'Onmyoji' that I learned that the action was to revert shikigami back to their original, inanimate form. "SEIMEI" as a competitive program ended at the "dan—". However, as actor and performer, Yuzuru Hanyu had yet to end his finishing flourish.

Here's the moment for reference

I had no idea if came form the movie. Thought it was just him being extra.

Actually, Hanyu-senshu's free program this season, "Hope & Legacy”, was a formidable enemy for still photographers. From a photographic standpoint, where is that “decisive moment”? After telling a story through SEIMEI, what was his next target? My exploration continued.

The free skate at the World Championships. He performed the music, he expressed the notes. Even the sounds from his edge when he landed the jumps crept and made their way into the music. People who saw the value of the piece, "Hope & Legacy”, were brought to a new understanding of it. As for me, the “decisive moment” no longer mattered. What mattered and must be captured in this program were photos that made you hear the melody. Photos where the musical notes popped out at you .

This is maybe the reason of why some people can't relate to H&L as much. But for me it's the reason it excels because it didn't need a "wow" moment for lack of a better word. The program is filled with little glimpses of them which together make up the whole piece.

 

[stormblade]

Haha yes. One part of me wants to shout to Yuzuru to keep as far from France as he can, while another part is praying ten times a day that he comes skating in Paris. I'm getting schizophrenic

France would have to at least get a new podium. He's been on the same podium in three times already (Nice 2012, Paris 2013, Marseille 2016)

 

[gladiolusc]

Here's the moment for reference

I had no idea if came form the movie. Thought it was just him being extra.



This is maybe the reason of why some people can't relate to H&L as much. But for me it's the reason it excels because it didn't need a "wow" moment for lack of a better word. The program is filled with little glimpses of them which together make up the whole piece.

I think you're spot on about it. That program isn't about jumps falling into the highlight moments of the music, but I find myself sinking deeper and deeper (or the program taking over me bit by bit) (the turns fitting perfectly to the three chords into the 3F, the 4T in the silence between the two pieces of music, etc, etc, etc) into the "atmosphere" as the program goes on. *Shivers* The variations in interpretation is part of the interest too. I liked it when he projected determination, I liked it when he was more gentle. What doesn't change is the unending flow and continual push towards the end.

 

[sweetwater]

I think that was on him because at the time, what was important was the Olympics, not the GPF. And he wanted to compete against the gold medal favorite as much as he could, which was Patrick. Though I wonder, since he was 4th, did he know where 1-3 seeds had chosen to go?

Competing with Patrick at two GP events in 2013 wasn’t his choice. Later he commented that he was surprised at the assignment, though I can’t recall exactly when he said that. Besides, being qualified to GPF in that season was actually very important for Japanese skaters who wanted to get an Olympic berth, because criteria for selecting team Japan members was like this:

1st member will be the one who won Nationals.
2nd member will be chosen from other podium finishers at Nationals and highest Japanese finisher at GPF.
3rd member will be chosen from those who meet the requirement to be the 2nd skater but has not been chosen yet, top 3 Japanese skaters in ISU World Standings, or season best score ranking at the end of Nationals.

In the end he won both GPF and Nationals, but at the end of previous season he was badly injured and there were 6 Japanese skaters who would potentially meet the criteria, so he was not in the position to risk the chance to compete at GPF.