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2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating

I looked up the fsrussia.ru and found the following:

После выступления Анны Погорилой в Хельсинки было принято решение дать время и возможность спортсменке отойти от психологической травмы и спокойно готовиться к следующему сезону. По мнению руководителей ФФККР и специалистов, Ане было бы сложно стартовать на World Team Trophy, так как между этим турниром и чемпионатом мира не так много времени. Никаких других причин, которые были озвучены в СМИ, нет. И уж тем более никто не брал во внимание эмоции и переживания спортсменки после проката произвольной программы. Все это объяснимо и по-человечески понятно.

After Helsinki the decision was taken to give time and opportunity to the athlete to recover from psychological injury and prepare for the new season. Fed's leadership and experts think that it would be hard for Anna to compete at WTT because too little time is between it and the worlds. There are no any other reasons that were given by the media. And moreover no one considered emotions and stress of the athlete right after the free program. This all can be expalined and clear from a human standpoint.

So, this looks more plausible than the "punishment". She had meltdowns before and not only she. There would have been "punisment", I think, if Russia had lost the third spot. But this did not happen.

OK it was from google translate screengrab posted by The Skating Lesson FB. Your writer sounds much better.
 
To be honest, it still sounds like an excuse, worded in kindness, to not send her. Didn't she say that she wanted to go? And really, they probably chose Elena because of her popularity and crowd-pleasing abilities. If it was really just to spare Anna, they could've sent Maria who needs the exposure just as much.
 
To be honest, it still sounds like an excuse, worded in kindness, to not send her. Didn't she say that she wanted to go? And really, they probably chose Elena because of her popularity and crowd-pleasing abilities. If it was really just to spare Anna, they could've sent Maria who needs the exposure just as much.

They realize Maria is not well received. So back to the drawing board for the fed. Might as well spread the love to Elena and see if she can still produce. As it stands, Maria is not going to make any podium when everyone skates to their average ability.
Anna needs a break to re-calibrate. If she goes to WTT and bombs, I don't think it will do her any good.
 
They realize Maria is not well received. So back to the drawing board for the fed. Might as well spread the love to Elena and see if she can still produce. As it stands, Maria is not going to make any podium when everyone skates to their average ability.
Anna needs a break to re-calibrate. If she goes to WTT and bombs, I don't think it will do her any good.

We don't know if she would bomb. It's not an important competition, so there is no pressure. Anyway, I also want her to rest and not do the WTT. Still, the red-flags that she's losing support are there. She knows. And I don't know if that knowing that they will replace her without even asking is doing her confidence any good either.
 
How popular is the sport in Russia? Seems like all the ads at Worlds were still Japanese.

My russian teacher told me it's the most popular sport in Russia, but i think there are much more sponsors around football and hockey.

In general i don't think i've ever watched a russian ad outside their television, except of course the very popular Gazprom tv spot with the Tchaikovsky music for the UEFA Champions League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXfs9L-Lyk
 
My russian teacher told me it's the most popular sport in Russia, but i think there are much more sponsors around football and hockey.

In general i don't think i've ever watched a russian ad outside their television, except of course the very popular Gazprom tv spot with the Tchaikovsky music for the UEFA Champions League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXfs9L-Lyk

That's really good to hear :agree: Hopefully the Russian ladies will be appreciated for their hard work in their country haha.
 
My russian teacher told me it's the most popular sport in Russia, but i think there are much more sponsors around football and hockey.

I'm not Russian, but I check the russian ratings(use this form) from time to time... it's not really all that popular tbh. It was a different day, but slightly more people watched the Russian championships in biathlon than the world's ladies free skate... and I remember seeing a huge differential(7x IIRC) between a non world's figure skating event and a big biathlon event a while ago. Averbukh's ice dancing show would also get about 7x times the ratings as most regular figure skating events. That being said, the Russian sports media does a much better job covering the sport, there are people in government(Sports Ministry) who do show they care about the sport, and they usually have an OK crowd at their Grand Prix event. If I'd had to guess I think it's about twice as popular in Russia than it is in the US.
 
She doesn't need to change the coach necessarily but i'd spend few weeks with a former ice dancer / choreographer (Marina Zueva or Peter Tchernyshev) to work on the skating skills and the posture.

Peter did an amazing job with Maria, she is a completely different skater than last season.

To be fair, I think the ice dancer/choreographer combo you are referring to for Maria is Maxim Zavosin and Irina Tagaeva. Peter only choreographed her LP and he's hardly at CSKA. Zavosin works daily on SS and Tagaeva works on posture/arm movements/choreo. Zavosin also works with Goncharenko's younger students and only said he wouldn't work with Kovtun so maybe they should ask him to work with Elena? Tagaeva used to work with Goncharenko students (at least with Proklova) don't know about know.
 
Does anyone else find it interesting that the Russian ladies at the top of Figure Skating and Rhythmic Gymnastics are Russian/another ethnicity or country. Evgenia Medvedeva (Russian/Armenian), Alina Zagitova (Russian/Tatar) and Margarita Mamun (Russian/Bengali). And you can see it in their features also. I think the diversity is beautiful and also it doesn't feel like they stand out from other Russians becausei Russia is quite a big and ethnically diverse country. They are all Eurasian I suppose but Russian itself is Eurasian? I don't know, just a random observation.
 
Does anyone else find it interesting that the Russian ladies at the top of Figure Skating and Rhythmic Gymnastics are Russian/another ethnicity or country. Evgenia Medvedeva (Russian/Armenian), Alina Zagitova (Russian/Tatar) and Margarita Mamun (Russian/Bengali). And you can see it in their features also. I think the diversity is beautiful and also it doesn't feel like they stand out from other Russians becausei Russia is quite a big and ethnically diverse country. They are all Eurasian I suppose but Russian itself is Eurasian? I don't know, just a random observation.

Russia is a multi-national state with over 185 ethnicities. A lot of people I know in Russia are Russian/Some other ethnicity (myself included). They are not necessarily Eurasian (Armenians are Caucasian for example), so I would not generalize like that.
 
Russia is a multi-national state with over 185 ethnicities. A lot of people I know in Russia are Russian/Some other ethnicity (myself included). They are not necessarily Eurasian (Armenians are Caucasian for example), so I would not generalize like that.

Yes. Eurasian would be let's say Russian + Yakut (folk from Eastern Siberia) but not Russian + Chechen or Russian + Mordvin (Uralic- family language speaking ethnicity, their language is Erzya), but on the other hand you have ethnic Tatars who inhabit European part of Russia - west from Ural who have Central Asian admixture & origins. Tatars are diverse in looks, some look 100% European despite just being Tatar and some look Mongoloid - more or less with various pigmentation.
 
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Russia is a multi-national state with over 185 ethnicities. A lot of people I know in Russia are Russian/Some other ethnicity (myself included). They are not necessarily Eurasian (Armenians are Caucasian for example), so I would not generalize like that.

What do you mean by generalize like that? I know that Armenians are Caucasian but I thought that Russia itself sees itself as Eurasian?

For instance, in western countries, Eurasian usually means something like a white parent and an Asian (like Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Southeast Asian) parent. But Russia being where it is geographically and historically sees itself as Eurasian and therefore someone like Margarita Mamun doesn't stand out compared to say someone like Maria Sotskova (not sure what her background is).
 
Yes. Eurasian would be let's say Russian + Yakut (folk from Eastern Siberia) but Russian + Chechen or Russian + Mordvin (Uralic- family language speaking ethnicity, their language is Erzya), but on the other hand you have ethnic Tatars who inhabit European part of Russia - west from Ural who have Central Asian admixture & origins. Tatars are diverse in looks, some look 100% European despite just being Tatar and some look Mongoloid - more or less with various pigmentation.

Yes former tennis player Marat Safin was Tatar but he just looks like a white man, could pass as German or Serbian. But Alina Zagitova, even though she's only half Tatar, is obvious that she's not 100% white?
 
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