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Actually it makes sense considering his talk about cutting the 3A and one day putting the 4A in competition. Technically he can still keep one 3A and do a 5 quad program.
4Lo, 4S, 3F // 4S-3T, 4T, 3A-2T, 4T-Lo-3S, 3Lz or 4Lo, 4S, 3F // 4Lo-3T, 4T, 3A-2T, 4T-Lo-3S, 3Lz

I just don't think that's wise or profitable.
He is hitting all the bullet points for his GOEs, he's not getting them because they don't want to give it to him, not because his skating is suddenly faulty. If this is the result of the SP, I'll seriously curse LGC because guh. With the new skaters now having more variety of quads, things like his 3F will continue to get depressed GOEs.

On the other hand, he could be just playing a game with the media and getting them off his back, while he keeps his plans a secret, which would also be a very Yuzuru thing to do! So I guess we wait.

ETA LOL yes, basically what Marin said.

Yeah with it makes little sense I was trying to say that it wouldn't give him much of an advantage BV-wise.

But yeah I'm perfectly satisfied with the explanation that he's withholding info from the media.

(I still believe he will add the 4Lz.)
 
why does 4Lz is needed? because Chen had it and it has the second highest BV?

It's Shoma that is the bigger problem. His PCS are pretty much one point away from Yuzuru's now. The judges are showering him in candy when it comes to GOEs no matter what he does. He has the 4F, 4T, has added now the 4Lo and has been working on the 4S and we've seen him attempt the 4Lz. Keep in mind, his 4Lz can easily be a Flutz and it won't matter one bit. Of course who knows what Nathan will present.
Also Patrick may surprise everyone and bring out that 4F and actually nail it; he's had that jump a long time ago in practice so it's not new.

But if I'm thinking that, Yuzuru is certainly thinking it, so as much as he cares about the quality of his skating, we really should wait and see. This is a good way to get the media off his back while his pretty little head hatches a million and one plans, within the time of one combination spin.
 
I agree. I guess he believes that when he skates cleanly no one can beat him, which is true to some extent, but the others aren't going to sit back. BV will be upped, PCS will go up... that comfort cushion he has in his levels won't be there forever. I just hope he keeps training it seriously. You never know when a YOLO moment comes along and you need to be able to deliver that little bit of extra... and he may need the Hail Mary of all extras at the Olympics.

Hmm somehow I don't feel like he is going to rely on him going clean... I don't feel like it's Yuzu-like, gaaah... I WANTED A MOMENT OF PEACE TO ENJOY THE GALA 💔 NOW I'M WORRIED ABOUT HIM GETTING TOO CONFIDENT
 
also, according to the interview hamaguri kindly posted, it seems yuzu wants to turn professional after retiring from competition...?

and i can't but smile at reading about how much yuzu loves the axel :)

Yes, it seems a certain decision of him from his statement s so far. But our biggest concern is the time. After Olympic, or later? This time he did interesting statements concerning this topic, which are not included in my transportation. I will make it tomorrow.
 
Hmm somehow I don't feel like he is going to rely on him going clean... I don't feel like it's Yuzu-like, gaaah... I WANTED A MOMENT OF PEACE TO ENJOY THE GALA 💔 NOW I'M WORRIED ABOUT HIM GETTING TOO CONFIDENT

Don't worry. I'm not worrying. Not at all. Nope :biggrin:

But truthfully though, it makes more sense that he said that. What if he said "Yes I will add 4Lz" and then he doesn't or it doesn't go well? He would feel like he failed his fans' expectations haha. And his critics will be like "See, Yuzu tried to upgrade his BV and failed." etc. etc. Yeah.

And maybe this is his way of throwing shade ;) like "I won't upgrade my BV unless the rest of my skating is beautiful unlike some :slink:" :cool14:
 
why does 4Lz is needed? because Chen had it and it has the second highest BV?

yeah, becouse 4lz has the highest BV so far, when someone like Boyang and Nathan can score 19-20 pt for one combination Jumps, so yeah 4lz is a big deal
 
Hmm somehow I don't feel like he is going to rely on him going clean... I don't feel like it's Yuzu-like, gaaah... I WANTED A MOMENT OF PEACE TO ENJOY THE GALA 💔 NOW I'M WORRIED ABOUT HIM GETTING TOO CONFIDENT

I doubt he will get too confident. He isn't this kind of person and even on the top he always finds some element to improve ;) Yuzu constantly evolves and I'm not too worried about him. If his skating isn't perfect he is visibly sulky about it. Why would he get too confident now?
 
Yes, it seems a certain decision of him from his statement s so far. But our biggest concern is the time. After Olympic, or later? This time he did interesting statements concerning this topic, which are not included in my transportation. I will make it tomorrow.

thank you :ghug:

yes, the timing of his decision is interesting. of course i hope he doesn't retire from competition so soon but at the end of the day it's his decision (which i will support anyway)...
 
I agree. I guess he believes that when he skates cleanly no one can beat him, which is true to some extent, but the others aren't going to sit back. BV will be upped, PCS will go up... that comfort cushion he has in his levels won't be there forever. I just hope he keeps training it seriously. You never know when a YOLO moment comes along and you need to be able to deliver that little bit of extra... and he may need the Hail Mary of all extras at the Olympics.

My favourite YOLO, Midori Ito in 1992 when she threw in an unplanned perfect 3A at the 4 minute mark. It won her the silver.

I've had a fixation with him throwing down a YOLO 4A at PC for some time now, I have no idea why. You know when you just think, casually, about something, and then a thought pops into your head? Repeatedly? :slink:

Seriously though, yes, it was definitely true this season. Next season is a completely different matter. I am still leaning towards him including it and this being just a media play but if he doesn't, then yes, hopefully he'll have a Hail Mary ready if needed! :laugh:
 
Uh uh uh. I am not sure what to think about this part. I really do not think it's wise to do this, considering his GOEs which really aren't a problem on his side and what everyone else is doing and is going to do.
Well, fingers crossed in any case.

I know your feelings and I think his basic stance is challenging. But at the same time, Jason's skate at worlds sp seemed to open his mind. He got 93 or so score without quads and yuzu thought that such a direction is also good. Of course, his basic stance isn't changed as we see the last part of this interview, but it's true Jason's skate broadened his mind with the difficulty of layout, according to his interviews after worlds.

Anyway, since worlds, he has been prudent with statement with his layout next srason. I think its because it concerns the strategy of Olympics. It's a top secret.
 
I know your feelings and I think his basic stance is challenging. But at the same time, Jason's skate at worlds sp seemed to open his mind. He got 93 or so score without quads and yuzu thought that such a direction is also good. Of course, his basic stance isn't changed as we see the last part of this interview, but it's true Jason's skate broadened his mind with the difficulty of layout, according to his interviews after worlds.

Anyway, since worlds, he has been prudent with statement with his layout next srason. I think its because it concerns the strategy of Olympics. It's a top secret.

and yuzu would be right to keep some secrets to himself :)

it's important for him to stay focused and know exactly what he wants to do. there's no point in him telling the media everything and creating extra pressure on him...
 
Yeah, stating things to the media is asking for trouble. He does not need extra pressure by saying something that might cause a lot of questions. It is smart to keep things close to the chest and see how training goes. This year he is heading into the season in such a different place mentally and physically from last year that who knows what will happen. Just stay healthy, yuzu, and keep focused on training.
 
I know your feelings and I think his basic stance is challenging. But at the same time, Jason's skate at worlds sp seemed to open his mind. He got 93 or so score without quads and yuzu thought that such a direction is also good. Of course, his basic stance isn't changed as we see the last part of this interview, but it's true Jason's skate broadened his mind with the difficulty of layout, according to his interviews after worlds.

Anyway, since worlds, he has been prudent with statement with his layout next srason. I think its because it concerns the strategy of Olympics. It's a top secret.

Just for the sake of conversation - Jason is my second favorite male skater, so while that is definitely true, even Jason himself is planning 2 quads in the SP for the Olympics, according to his coach. And it's true he scored high but there's a bit of a caveat with his score.
Yes, he scored high but what he scored is almost the maximum what is possible with that layout for one and was still far off from the top men in scores, and two, by including quads, even in the SP, you do lose some of that which is possible when you downgrade the jumps by one step. Yuzuru has also had two wonderful SPs, I am genuinely not sure you can add anything more to either Chopin or LGC to make them better in terms of quality or presentation. Also, BV is simply BV.
So say Shoma throws in a 4Lo (4Lz) & a 4F-3T combo, +3A in the SP or a 4Lz in the FS, with 2x4F (and he already attempted this, with one in the 2nd half just yesterday) that's massive points there already, plus unlike Nathan or Boyang, he has both the GOEs and the PCS. And Shoma, and everyone else, moving the difficulty up, will affect Yuzuru too, by proxy. We've seen it already.

That aside, I do think Yuzuru hasn't decided what he'll do yet, and is hedging his bets, which is smart, considering the Olympics season and there is no need now, when have just barely stepped foot into the off season, not even properly until Monday, to say yes, I'll do this, this and this. I'm sure he'll try lots of things while talking to Brian and co.

Just because I'm bored, I'll say personally, I think playing safe loses the game. This season has proven that and more importantly, last Olympics are a shining proof of it too.
 
https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/855837793670582272

Yuzu: ermmmm, but I think he's very wise. He has a mind of steel.

Shoma: No way. That's exaggerating...

Yuzu: Well, Dai-chan said that to me at the World Championships in Nice (years ago). He said I had a mind of steel, and I remember saying the same thing. But now that I'm (kind of) in the same position as Daisuke and I watch Shoma compete, I think he has a super steely mind.

Interviewer: What do you mean?

Yuzu: Even if he can't land his jumps in practice, he lands them when it counts. That's really superb, because that's the most important thing in figure skating. (Shoma is) the most consistent skater in the world.

Shoma: No, no, no...

Yuzu: And now he's doing very difficult jumps so he's very strong.

Interviewer: Then we'll look forward to next season.

Yuzu: I'm not going to lose, Shoma.

Shoma: I'm going to do my best.

Video: https://twitter.com/yukiya_yuzu/status/855813063483822080
 
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It makes me think that yuzu is awesome to stay in the sport and still compete with the new competitor.. He has been into the sport for a long time and he has been achieved the high goals (Olympic). Yet, he still around and challenging himself and improve his skill to the level we never knew... Glad, he still have motivation to compete.. Sometimes when you're already on the top, it's hard to be satisfied with your result if not aiming for higher, when the top athlete can't reach that anymore or lose the motivation.. They would retire.. I hope yuzu always find a motivation to compete and reach his dreams/goals..
 
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