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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

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Yuzu and Shoma interview (They laugh so much.)
https://twitter.com/yukiya_yuzu/status/855813063483822080
https://twitter.com/yukiya_yuzu/status/855811261681909760

Some part translated by Iron Klaus on Twitter in case it hasn't been posted. Yuzu is such a warm senpai to Shoma praising him all along. He also got a bit nostalgic referring to Dai-chan's words to him in 2012. And at the end, a tease to Shoma:
Yuzu: Shoma, I am not going to lose.
Shoma: I am going to try my best.

https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/855837793670582272
 
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NordEsque said:
True true, bit surprising that there aren't more good men. Wakaba got a lot of nice GOEs :biggrin: It would be fantastic if she could master the 3A for next season (and maybe she should stop putting her 3(F)Lip in the second half in the Free)

Wouldn't it be a good thing if they didn't qualify for Team though? No distractions and effort put on Team event at Oly (sorry if harsh, just still annoyed that there isn't even a rest day between SP and FS in the single event for the men)
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I think on some level it'd be good to get the practice and get a run through in in a less pressure filled situation actually. I don't think it hurt him last time.

As for lutz or no lutz. I love Yuzu's skating whether he has a lutz or not. But I'm not sure how he can look at the scores and how close things are now and think he can just stay the course. He always seemed like the type to want to control his own destiny, so this could all be smoke and mirrors. I mean, granted, we don't know how people will deliver under Olympic pressure, but even Chan was unable to do his more conservative content and skate well. Either way, I would like him to go into the season and deliver skates he can be proud of on Olympic ice. Being an Olympic Champion never goes away.
 
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Unless Yuzu already has a high success rate with the 4Lz in practice, I don't see him adding it next season. Way, way too risky. It's not just about him landing the 4Lz; it's about being able to land it without screwing up the rest of his program. Look how costly adding the 4Loop has been for him this season.

I see him instead striving for perfection with what he's capable of doing now and tweaking his layout and choreography for maximum points. And choosing the perfect music to best showcase his skating.

And I don't consider not going for a 4Lz "playing it safe" but rather playing it smart and finding the correct balance between the technical and artistic.
 
Danibellerika said:
As for lutz or no lutz. I love Yuzu's skating whether he has a lutz or not. But I'm not sure how he can look at the scores and how close things are now and think he can just stay the course.
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He has not, in any way or even super small amount, implied that he just 'wants to stay the course' though. The question seems to be: adding to BV or focusing on GOE/PCS and going clean. Obviously, the latter would also imply changes, hard work and improvements. Just other ones than adding a 4Lz.

To be fair, I think Yuzu has a point. What won him the Olympics to 90% was his SPs leading up, and what allowed him to start actually scoring higher than PChan in the SP wasn't the BV (or PCS), but the GOEs. His GOEs were the main point he beat Javi so decidedly at the 2015 GPF. His GOEs were always his biggest weapon. And from the way he talks, I think it's an aspect of skating he's very focused on and values a lot. So I wonder how seeing his GOEs go down is affecting him maybe. I dunno, but I cant believe he didn't look at that WC LP protocol and wondered what he was missing, that his GOE were not as high as they have been before (especially on the 3As... hello, that 3A2T?). So him saying a big, big point going into next season is trying to focus a lot on maximizing GOEs makes perfect sense.

Personally, I think they haven't decided a layout yet and they will try different ones, seeing which works best. There is so much to consider with this one, not giving the media a clear answer is the best thing he can do. That said, I personally still think the 4Lz will show up next season. It's just who he is. He can't step away from a challenge.



In less already-angsty notes: I'm still not over Yuzu wearing that flower drown :dbana: have more pics of that shown up by now? I need them all. It's like, my new favorite thing in this world... maybe. Potentially :dbana:
 
You guys are stressing me out with 4Lz, 4F, interviews and unwanted r-words :gaah:. I really wanted to enjoy the moment, the feeling of ending season on a positive note, the pictures and stuff
And the wedding too, do I need a pink bow for it?
 
Sydney Rose said:
Unless Yuzu already has a high success rate with the 4Lz in practice, I don't see him adding it next season. Way, way too risky. It's not just about him landing the 4Lz; it's about being able to land it without screwing up the rest of his program. Look how costly adding the 4Loop has been for him this season.

I see him instead striving for perfection with what he's capable of doing now and tweaking his layout and choreography for maximum points. And choosing the perfect music to best showcase his skating.

And I don't consider not going for a 4Lz "playing it safe" but rather playing it smart and finding the correct balance between the technical and artistic.
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Yes, so far we don't know how consistent he is with it so it's hard to know what he is going to do. I think this surprises us because we've heard good things regarding 4Lz, so everyone has their hopes up. I trust that he and his team will make the right choice.
 
skatefan22 said:
Yuzu and Shoma interview (They laugh so much.)
https://twitter.com/yukiya_yuzu/status/855813063483822080
https://twitter.com/yukiya_yuzu/status/855811261681909760

Some part translated by Iron Klaus on Twitter in case it hasn't been posted. Yuzu is such a warm senpai to Shoma praising him all along. He also got a bit nostalgic referring to Dai-chan's words to him in 2012. And at the end, a tease to Shoma:
Yuzu: Shoma, I am not going to lose.
Shoma: I am going to try my best.

https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/855837793670582272
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thank you for sharing! 💖
 
lilsailor said:
sorry if this has already been posted,

but I love him so much
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seriously, you can tell the character of a person by seeing how he acts when he wins, and how he acts when he loses

another reason why i love yuzu so much is that he is ALWAYS gracious, whether he wins or loses - this is something i've observed in the many competitions he's been in so far. he's always respectful, polite, and considerate to others. when he wins, he is happy but he never gloats. when he loses, he only ever blames himself and never shifts the blame to any other things.

it's no wonder he's so well-loved by skating fans around the world and by other skaters. not only is he an incredible talent, he's just such a nice guy it's impossible to not like him!
 
I'm not too much looking forward to him going pro, since that means he will mostly be seen in Japan. Maybe Europe, but not North America.

Are his GOEs going down because the elements are done worse than before (they aren't), or because he isn't the one with the hardest elements anymore? That gets a perception bonus. The psychology of judges is dangerous.
 
beki said:
I'm not too much looking forward to him going pro, since that means he will mostly be seen in Japan. Maybe Europe, but not North America.

Are his GOEs going down because the elements are done worse than before (they aren't), or because he isn't the one with the hardest elements anymore? That gets a perception bonus. The psychology of judges is dangerous.
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i totally, totally agree :agree:

i really hope he can stay in competition as long as possible...
 
Well listing some argument for and against adding the 4Lz. I'm not sure if I believe in all the judging issues I bring up but I wanted to include them to get a slightly pessimistic list - better safe than sorry ;)

For:
- Will have a more similar BV to Chen and probably Uno (though I'm not so sure if Uno will bring 4Lz, the Lutz is not his strongest jump and he seems more interested in 4S)
- Opportunity for more room if he needs to improvise with a smaller chance of Zayaking
- Does the jump bring PCS/GOE candies?
- High BV brings perhaps PCS candies and fairly forgiving judges if you don't go clean
- Something to focus on instead of the pressure of 'going clean/perfect performance', especially if he doesn't 100% master it before PC (although won't Yuzuru still have this pressure because it is the Olympics?). He was okay with falling on the 4S though...
- Risk at PC18 that PCS might even out amongst the top contenders even if the skating doesn't, pressure to give the cleanest and most nice looking performance high PCS for the average viewer to understand (or for the drama, implicit bias, human error and more) and if that is the case a high BV is important
- There aren't that many points to win PCS wise (though GOE wise there is...)
- Going clean at Olympics is. so. hard.

Against:
- Will make it more difficult to be clean at PC
- Will make it more difficult to be clean leading up, might lose some PCS/GOE advantage (I really wish there wasn't a consistency = PCS/GOE reward system :palmf: it really does not encourage difficult transitions)
- Yuzuru has the ability to get great GOEs and PCS score when going clean, the chance for this improves with "easier" layout (I suspect he will have the most difficult layout even if he doesn't have the highest BV)
- Consistency bonus
- There are other ways of getting the BV up (4T-Lo-3S + 3A3Lo + 4T3T + 3A as last jump for example), injury risk for -3Lo (and the question if he would be capable of it and if it is a too big risk, injury or GOE or "clean-landing" wise)
- Failing to land a jump others can do doesn't look great
- When Yuzuru goes clean rumors are that his skating is on another level... (Jackie Wong article)
- Perhaps after a season of so many quads the judges will chill a bit, having gotten used to it and they will prefer beautiful clean/almost clean programs
- Injury risk (honestly I don't think the risk is too big, he knows how to fall and Brian is a good responsible coach)

The answer is to practice the 4A in secret and bring it out as the last jump in Free Skate... Okay I'm joking...I think
 
That is my concern. Some of those jumps were absolutely perfect, like the sp 3a, the 3flip, etc., yet he did not max out GOE. I do not know how he can improve on those elements so the GOE they gave him concerns me. We will see what trends we see next season.
 
Sydney Rose said:
Unless Yuzu already has a high success rate with the 4Lz in practice, I don't see him adding it next season. Way, way too risky. It's not just about him landing the 4Lz; it's about being able to land it without screwing up the rest of his program. Look how costly adding the 4Loop has been for him this season.

I see him instead striving for perfection with what he's capable of doing now and tweaking his layout and choreography for maximum points. And choosing the perfect music to best showcase his skating.

And I don't consider not going for a 4Lz "playing it safe" but rather playing it smart and finding the correct balance between the technical and artistic.
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"How costly adding the 4Lo has been this season" ? Really ?
He's had a very good success rate on the 4 Lo this season ! Adding the 4S3T cost him a great deal, yes, but not the 4 Lo, imho...

Yatagarasu said:
Uh uh uh. I am not sure what to think about this part. I really do not think it's wise to do this, considering his GOEs which really aren't a problem on his side and what everyone else is doing and is going to do.
Well, fingers crossed in any case.
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Considering that the very first thing Yuzu did once he did his last skate in competition was working on the 4Lz like crazy, I reaaaaaally doubt he's not thinking about adding it. When I learned the news about him trying 4Lz at gala training the first think I thought was that somehow he must have promised Brian not to "play with 4Lz like a new toy" before the season was over, and that he took the first opportunity to work on it.
But he can't say to the media that he will add the 4Lz if he's not sure himself that he can do it with the level of quality he's striving for - hence the GOE talk.

When I listen to this interview, my feeling is that he wants to do a 4 quad program with the 4Lz and only quads and triples - as was discussed previously, it would be the perfect program for him : "only 4 quads" but with very high BV, possibility of high GOEs with his two reliable 3As and single quads (if he lands the 4 Lz) without changing much his current pacing. And room for improvisation in case of popped jumps or botched combos... It seems to be the perfect compromise he's looking for, high BV without "upping his tech" (ie, "only" 4 quads), high GOEs, and (on paper) potentially increased consistency.

Of course it's only speculation, I guess we'll know soon :). But I'm calling on it :agree:

(and clearly he's dying to work seriously on the 4A since he seems to be more and more passionate about axels :laugh:. He must be dying right now, having to wait after the olympics and refrain training it for real, especially if he's already landed a few)
 
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