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He said he would not do 4lz but then later he said he would practice 4lz. Because he wants to stabilize his triple lz [emoji3]


It seems everyone suddenly forgot January 2016 when everybody was asking him about 4Lo and he was like "naah it's not ready yet.." while he was landing it in every single gala + ice shows for ages ... But Yuzu you're counting on your older age fans to have Alzheimer already, but we haven't (yet) [emoji23]
Practice 4Lz to stabilize 3Lz, that's interesting [emoji23]. And it is one of the first things he wants to do now.

4Lz combined image
 
BTW, I noticed during WTT that the Chinese team was cheering for Yuzu about as hard as the Japanese team :laugh: They're all fanboys/girls :biggrin:

It's a mutual love between him and Team China :luv17: if it wasn't for Yuzu, I'd be rooting for TChina all the way :p
 
It seems everyone suddenly forgot January 2016 when everybody was asking him about 4Lo and he was like "naah it's not ready yet.." while he was landing it in every single gala + ice shows for ages ... But Yuzu you're counting on your older age fans to have Alzheimer already, but we haven't (yet) :laugh:

I think he's counting on everyone being dazed from the season and multiple heart-attacks and shocks ... well, you know ... it's not that unreasonable ...:roll9:
We survived though, woo hoo ... here comes the Olympics season, yaaaa ... er.
 
Has his 4Lz training really destabilized his 3Lz? I mean, it might have been true last seasons but this season his 3Lz has been pretty secure? He's done it at 5 competitions, fell once (at the very beginning of the season, when his stamina was at its lowest, I suspect) and singled it another time (due to the longer IB that made him miss a crossover, as he explained). Otherwise, he's landed it pretty much all the time he's done it (bar the two times he replaced it with the axel) and it appears to be his first warm-up jump instead of the 3A, nowadays. So I don't think his 3Lz is weird this season at all?
 
Has his 4Lz training really destabilized his 3Lz? I mean, it might have been true last seasons but this season his 3Lz has been pretty secure? He's done it at 5 competitions, fell once (at the very beginning of the season, when his stamina was at its lowest, I suspect) and singled it another time (due to the longer IB that made him miss a crossover, as he explained). Otherwise, he's landed it pretty much all the time he's done it (bar the two times he replaced it with the axel) and it appears to be his first warm-up jump instead of the 3A, nowadays. So I don't think his 3Lz is weird this season at all?
This is why you're still new... :console: I have no intention of offending you. Just saying... there's things old folks understand very very well.
Yuzuru has become master at the media already. I wonder how fast he has learned. I mean... Tracy did say it, at 19 you became OGM and you learned on the fly.
Yuzuru is such a fast learner.
Anyone understand me?
 
Has his 4Lz training really destabilized his 3Lz? I mean, it might have been true last seasons but this season his 3Lz has been pretty secure? He's done it at 5 competitions, fell once (at the very beginning of the season, when his stamina was at its lowest, I suspect) and singled it another time (due to the longer IB that made him miss a crossover, as he explained). Otherwise, he's landed it pretty much all the time he's done it (bar the two times he replaced it with the axel) and it appears to be his first warm-up jump instead of the 3A, nowadays. So I don't think his 3Lz is weird this season at all?

actually past 2 seasons his warm up opening jumps were helicopter 2lo and then 3lo, before it was axel, now it is 3lz ( whistles innocently)
 
I live in the UK so Italy is closer to me. My uncle lives in Milan so I don't think accommodation will be a concern for me. Plus, I will be a medicine student come September and the competition takes place during term time so I have to make my trip relatively short (couple of days). I do imagine seeing him live would be highly addictive but in the end, I'm just a student so I have no choice but to wallow in poverty T_T #foreverbroke I will work my *** off during the holidays to see him again if possible
Thank you so much for your recommendations. I will consider them before making a decision and also for future seasons too
Hope to see you in Milan if I go :)

Hello summerbliss,

I thought about writing a long time and these are my thoughts: if you want to see Yuzuru live, go to Milan. You know, I know about being a medicine student without money, although it is some years ago. I always spent scarce money to go places, to see things before they vanish or get impossible to reach.

And it was always the right decision - for me- to put experience before money/funds.

This year I went to Helsinki because I knew, for me it might be the chance of a lifetime to see Yuzuru skating live. These days, I had no money problem, just that my family thought me crazy, before I forced them to watch seimei, at least:laugh:.

I know, for some it is better to be prudent, for me, it was always better to GO.

And with you having accomodation in Milan! Splendid!:)

Whatever your decision,

many greetings to the UK!

Raebia
 
This is why you're still new... :console: I have no intention of offending you. Just saying... there's things old folks understand very very well.
Yuzuru has become master at the media already. I wonder how fast he has learned. I mean... Tracy did say it, at 19 you became OGM and you learned on the fly.
Yuzuru is such a fast learner.
Anyone understand me?

Yeah, I assume it's just media talk, to get the scent off. Because there's really no indication at this point his 3Lz this season is suffering from the 4Lz he's supposedly not training during the season :sarcasm:, but if he wants to use that as his excuse... be my guest, Yuzu! However, I've seen people on twitter and tumblr who still think his 3Lz is weird this season and I feel like they're still in past-seasons mode. Maybe because I'm new, I don't get those past experiences, so I look at his 3Lz and it looks perfectly fine to me, heck sometimes he opens the rotation early too, and I feel like the '4Lz destabilizes my 3Lz' excuse is getting thin. :laugh:
 
There isn't video yet, so I transcribed Ryan Bradley and Tanith White's NBCSN commentary for the WTT free skate.

T: So here we go, we’re kicking things off with the hero in this country, Yuzuru Hanyu. He struggled in the short program, as he did at the World Championships, but just last month at Worlds, he came back in the free skate with an incredible performance. Now we wait to see if he can do the same, here, just one month later in front of a home crowd.

R: Quadruple loop! Much better than we saw in the short program.

R: [Surprised] Single salchow, just slips off the heel on the takeoff. Critical to see how he responds to the mistake.

T: You and I pointed out yesterday, Ryan, with Yuzuru’s short program, that he just—from the moment the music started—didn’t seem to be as emotionally invested or settled as we’d seen from him in the past. Different tone set already here in this free skate, despite that mistake he seems to be much more in tune with this performance.

R: Triple flip, out of footwork.

R: Into the second half, another go at this quadruple salchow… [Amazed] Quad sal, triple toe, just spectacular.

R: [Incredulous] Quadruple toe loop, in the second half, textbook perfect landing.

R: Triple axel, double toe combination, a little slow out.

R: [Laughing] Quad toe, half loop, triple salchow. That is three quads in the second half of this program.

R: [Regretful] Single axel, on the planned double [lol no Ryan, planned triple]. Just doesn’t press through the toe.

T: Yuzuru Hanyu, from Japan, giving the people what they want. It wasn’t a perfect performance, but the quad jumps which he completed were absolutely—just about as perfect as you could get.

R: And we didn’t see the energy that we saw at the World Championships last month, but what a display of jumping. Doing those jumps when you’re fatigued, in the bonus—even with the mistakes, spectacular program.

T: Well it’s clear to see what the crowd thought about that performance; now we wait to see what the judges thought. We’ll be back with scores for Yuzuru Hanyu in a moment.

T: [Amused] Yuzuru Hanyu, from Japan, with a new fashion accessory, celebrating his free skate with his teammates there in the Team Japan tribune. And it was another memorable skate from the Japanese hero.

R: And he really put out some great moments. We see the mistake on the first quadruple salchow. To be able to come back around, later in the program, when you’re fatigued, knowing that you’ve slipped off the heel on the first pass of that jump, and be able to make the correction that well just shows his confidence. He knows how to do this, he’s a technician, and he is so mentally strong that he can take the punches and stay on swinging. And what a spectacular fight through this program.

T: Wow. Over 200 points. 200.49 for Yuzuru Hanyu. He’s looking at that score, thinking, how big could it have been if I had gotten in that other quad sal. But still, it’s going to be a very tough score to beat for the rest of this competition. Yuzuru Hanyu, once again, setting the bar very, very high early on here in this men’s free skate.

R: Well you have to think at the World Championships he scored almost 20 points more than that.
 
Yeah, I assume it's just media talk, to get the scent off. Because there's really no indication at this point his 3Lz this season is suffering from the 4Lz he's supposedly not training during the season :sarcasm:, but if he wants to use that as his excuse... be my guest, Yuzu! However, I've seen people on twitter and tumblr who still think his 3Lz is weird this season and I feel like they're still in past-seasons mode. Maybe because I'm new, I don't get those past experiences, so I look at his 3Lz and it looks perfectly fine to me, heck sometimes he opens the rotation early too, and I feel like the '4Lz destabilizes my 3Lz' excuse is getting thin. :laugh:

In the "Houdou Station Sunday" he said he wanted to pracitice 4Lz during the practice session for WTT Gala because finally he didn't have to care about competitions. During the season if he practices other jumps e.g. 4Lz it affects his 3Lz, as the the height and the speed of arm movements they require are different and difficult to control. He also said with some emphasis that he's not planning to include a 4Lz for PC at all and that the more variety in quads doesn't guarantee a win, while pointing at a tableau listing up kinds of quads which he, Nathan, Shoma, Boyang can do. He also said it's fun to challenge difficult things and he feels that challenges are allowed.
 
In the "Houdou Station Sunday" he said he wanted to pracitice 4Lz during the practice session for WTT Gala because finally he didn't have to care about competitions. During the season if he practices other jumps e.g. 4Lz it affects his 3Lz, as the the height and the speed of arm movements they require are different and difficult to control. He also said with some emphasis that he's not planning to include a 4Lz for PC at all and that the more variety in quads doesn't guarantee a win, while pointing at a tableau listing up kinds of quads which he, Nathan, Shoma, Boyang can do. He also said it's fun to challenge difficult things and he feels that challenges are allowed.

I don't know if what he's thinking now is what he'll think later, though. I don't disagree with the bolded statement at all, but it's not Nathan or Boyang and their added quads he may have to keep an eye out for. It's Shoma, who has higher BV across both programs, can still upgrade his SP with the 4Lo even if he doesn't change anything else, may add another quad (you never know), will definitely try for a 4F in the second half next season, basically has the same total GOEs (the fantasy protocol calculations I've updated using highest GOEs per element/PCS during the season puts their best possible FS with their current highest GOEs at only a 3 point difference) and just slightly lower PCS that may rise next season. He may end up being pushed into increasing his BV in some way if he doesn't want to be Patrick Chan'ed at Sochi.
 
Dropping by to welcome back Meoima, and share in the post-season celebration!

About Kurt's commentary, I think he generally highlights yuzuru's technique, whereas he'll talk about shoma's performance more. Which is expected since Yuzuru's programs are not to Kurt's taste unless it's rockstar (or choreographed by Kurt).
Personally I'm interested in technique and learning more about it and Kurt's mentioned some interesting things before.

I agree with Meoima that Yuzuru is a total skating geek and knows who has good technique and what is good technique. In the team japan interview they showed a clip of the kiss & cry after Wakaba's skate and Yuzuru said "I want to give her GOE + 3s", that was such a cute and indicative moment. I cry for Wakababy and Yuzuru's scores. In the "telecaster" interview, Yuzuru totally sounded like he could give a jump technique seminar right now. It would probably be sold out.

On the 4Lz, I've noticed that he's warming up with the 3Lz first these days. And the one in Helsinki was so high and light. Unverified reports on twitter also said that he was trying the 4F from steps too, although it seems none succeeded. Was he really trying the 4Lz for fun? To test the ice? Try it in front of an audience? so many questions...
 
I don't disagree with the bolded statement at all, but it's not Nathan or Boyang and their added quads he may have to keep an eye out for.
I don't know, I wouldn't rule out Nathan. Still, I trust in Orser and the rest of the team, that they'll choose the best strategy for the Oly year.
 
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