I'd argue they got the ladies down to at that time because Slutskaya and Butyrskaya also thrive and won WC. despite strong dominance from Kwan/Lipinski and maybe Cohen. It would be great if Japan has better pairs and ice dance because it will give them chances of getting team event medal. Otherwise it kind of feels like it will be a bit of a burden for the top single skaters to skate in the team event. It will exhaust them, they will not get a medal likely but they can't screw up as well because it will affect the impression of judges on olympic ice.
Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season
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Yeap, my Italian friend often says Russian is still the godmother in figure skating world. We will see how powerful they're once their junior men show up with consistency (aka Eteri's factory).
I think JSF should invest in pairs. They have girls who can land solo jumps why can't they find boys who are tall enough for pairs. My friend live near a police school in Japan and she said they're all over 6 feet!! They could find some strong guys. I am afraid they just don't know how to.
Pairs rely on landing the elements so I think they can still improve. Ice dance... I have to say Asian ice dancers will have a very very very very longgggggggggggg way to go. It's just too much politik and bias in ice dance for you to get into just the middle of it.
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Yes, but I wish they would keep trying to push there too. China and South Korea couples are making progress and made it to the free skate at Worlds. To win the team medal I think you cannot give up on any discipline, even the weaker ones.
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I agree with half of this. Yuzuru's fate is in his own hands, that I do agree with but in such a way that he forces the judges to give him decent scores if he's clean. I say decent because no matter what he does, I think he can say bye bye to top GOEs/PCS. At the same time, they're going to shower Shoma Uno especially, even if he gives a far inferior performance. So who walks out of that as a winner next season is a big question as far as I am concerned, it'll depend on the content he has. I think you're severely underestimating just how much Shoma got elevated this season.
At least, if the situation from it holds. It might not. Olympics politics are interesting. I'm actually curious if USFSA turns their eye on Shoma. There are genuine things there that require no fudging at all, just proper scoring, that can bring him down and help Nathan. Nathan is a question mark because Marina can package him really well but we're going to have to wait and see what he does on the tech side. On the other hand, if USFSA and JSF agree to back each other across disciplines, then Shoma can rest easily, in terms of judging.
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Some nice things have appeared on Youtube. I don't think it has already be shared, but I could be wrong, this theread grows too fast ! :
a compilation of Yuzu cheering at WTT - he's so handsome with these accessories
(and lol at Shoma dozing during Mai's free skate 
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Shoma and Yuzu interview at WTT with english subtitles
Yuzu's interview at WTT after the LP - I love how he chuckles
a compilation of Yuzu cheering at WTT - he's so handsome with these accessories
(and lol at Shoma dozing during Mai's free skate )Shoma and Yuzu interview at WTT with english subtitles
Yuzu's interview at WTT after the LP - I love how he chuckles
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Still I don't get why only one flawed perfomance affected him so much. He had worse perfomances. I didn't rewatch Boston FS, but I never had the impression that it was an absolute disaster. And I guess he is not the first one to fail in the big competition.
Sorry for mentioning Boston, I am just trying to understand what's going on now.
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Or they could just do away with it all together. I'm only going because I'll get to watch all the disciplines, so it's a little more bang for my buck. But for me, it's the equivalent of the big 3 federations just giving themselves a pat on the back. A skater can do 3 jumping passes (whether they do them successfully or not) and then...boom...olympic medallist. It just doesn't sit right with me. It's not like in gymnastics where at least if that person is doing one apparatus, it's because they are probably the best in the world at it which is why they were put on the team. And even gymnastics is changing that up for next time. I could maybe like it if they did teams based on disciplines because there would be a little more accountability involved.
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At WTT, American technical specialist decided to call Shoma's downgraded 4F and 3Flutz as e deservingly, so maybe USFA will make a strong move in favor of Nathan. This is why I think JSF is funny. Some Japanese fans even blocked me for saying Satoko has flawed technique and was overlooked lol.
One reason why Mao got much inconsistent was because the numerous calls she got when she went against Yuna. Polina Turskaya did a terrible JWC because Shin Amano played the game by giving her UR calls and overlooked Marin's some questionable landings. I don't dislike Satoko or any of these skaters, but when the official fed is trying to push skaters with flawed technique, it might backfire them one day because just a strict specialist and all your politiking might go down to the sea.
I don't think JSF can get any agreement with USFA because their men are direct rivals to Nathan and Jason, their ladies are direct rivals as well. Same logic, JSF also doesn't have good relationship with Skate Canada and Russian fed. So pretty much, they're not that powerful at Olympic.
Yuzuru pretty much has his own fate in his own hands I believe. He definitely will upgrade his layout after summer. He just doesn't tell people because he hasn't decided which part he will change. He even hasn't decided on the music yet.
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Me too. If that's true then that's really sad. But IMO it's because Yuzuru already has an OGM. I think they don't want him to win another one. Giving him records and "candies" during the middle of the quad is all fine and dandy. But they want a more interesting story for the Olympics, I think?
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Well on one hand, I am not happy when skaters with inferior qualities are getting too much candies for what they do.
But on the other hand, I am not mad that Yuzuru is judged so strictly. That's why he is always on alerts and always strives for better quality and complexities than the rest.
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Yes, to the bold. And it's so easy too. It literally requires just fair judging, which should be the standard anyway. And it's not like anyone can say anything because they're getting the right calls. The question would be why not until that point but yeah, nobody is going to cause a scandal because someone got the right calls/scores. It is stupid to gamble on someone who is always in danger of this and the Olympics especially are going to have a lot of shuffling. There's the OGM but all three medals are important and just getting a skater up on the podium matters.
I agree JSF is not that powerful in the Olympics but they may still end up working together with the USFSA. I think it'll all depend on the actual state of both the ladies and the men field. Someone may be willing to sacrifice one in exchange for another discipline, if they think their chances are already not that good.
But yes, definitely in agreement about Yuzuru. He is that good (he has nothing to worry about in terms of calls), and that famous (and this part actually matters) and established that they will not dare depress his scores past a certain point. He is the one person I think in the entire men's field who can force their hand.
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Trying to lighten up the mood a bit look, a zusaa collection
The judging talk makes me really anxious
The judging talk makes me really anxious
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Yeah, I'm kinda scared of the incoming seasonTrying to lighten up the mood a bit look, a zusaa collection
The judging talk makes me really anxious
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USFA will not work with JSF. They will lobby the smaller federations like they did at 4CC.
Yuzuru was quite lucky there's no US judge at WC men FS if you understand what I mean.
I think Orser sees through all of this. It will be interesting to see the kind of programs Yuzuru and his team will choose for next season. I still think he will have 2 new programs. Even if it's warhorse musics I don't care. As long as it works with the judges.
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Heh, yes, the Maxican judge. And the Australian, twice I think IIRC.
Yes, of course I do. That was good!
Orser's been around the block more than once so I am sure he does. For the FS I actually expect something driving and 'western'. The way it's going, it seems like the best option. Even a warhorse will have a better reception but if they do that, I think they'll be careful that nobody had a 'legendary' program with it before. I also think both will be new but I am particularly interested in the long one.
Wow, this thread is moving way too fast! I've only skimmed a bit but here are my 2 cents.
Re: Boston Worlds 2016. This was after two spectacular competitions NHK trophy and GFP where he set massive world records with perfect performances. So everyone was expecting the same. He did great in the SP considering he had a bad injury so everyone thought he was just "fine" and the free was a big letdown. It is very rare to have two perfect competitions so people got the idea that Yuzuru was now invincible. Which he's not, no one can be perfect all of the time.
I think the assistant tech specialist at WTT was Scott Davis (US champion way back), who is pretty strict. He was interviewed on TSL and in 2015(?) said the best male skater is Yuzuru, and mentioned the "complete package" and commitment to his programs.
As many have said, winning Worlds before the Olympics is very important strategically. Despite a costly error in the SP he still came out on top!
Personally, I love a 3 quad program, but accept that to win you probably now need 4.
Re: Boston Worlds 2016. This was after two spectacular competitions NHK trophy and GFP where he set massive world records with perfect performances. So everyone was expecting the same. He did great in the SP considering he had a bad injury so everyone thought he was just "fine" and the free was a big letdown. It is very rare to have two perfect competitions so people got the idea that Yuzuru was now invincible. Which he's not, no one can be perfect all of the time.
I think the assistant tech specialist at WTT was Scott Davis (US champion way back), who is pretty strict. He was interviewed on TSL and in 2015(?) said the best male skater is Yuzuru, and mentioned the "complete package" and commitment to his programs.
As many have said, winning Worlds before the Olympics is very important strategically. Despite a costly error in the SP he still came out on top!
Personally, I love a 3 quad program, but accept that to win you probably now need 4.
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He could have won with 3 this year, but I think in the long run it was smarter to go for the 4. Especially if 5 is the magic number next season.
This is just my opinion based on trends I noticed in the last season. I think that the reason Yuzuru's PC and GOE are not as good as they should be is because he was making mistakes in the SP the whole season. The judges seem to be generous to skaters who they think will win, and maybe even trying to have the scores not too close to avoid contraversory. At World's he skated first and made a costly mistake so they probably thought that he would not win. They were stingy with him in the free so that they will give Javi and Shoma, who had better SP, a chance to win the competition.
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I think this is true ^^. Yuzu's patterns were a bit reversed this season. In past competitions, he usually had stellar SPs and mediocre FS, so the judges were comparatively generous to him in the FS because of his lead in the SP. I think he needs another SP that fits him like a glove, like PW where skated it clean many times and broke records every time he did.
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If you're their favorites, like Javi, you still will get maximum GOE and PCS in some elements you don't mess up.
been there done that...(I actually sat at a local technical panels twice and looked at the judges like this:
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