Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Yatagarasu]

You have. But plenty of other people (on tumblr for instance) don't understand japanese and have to believe people stating strong opinions and not judging by themselves from the facts. Today's discussion on this forum has spread quickly, and been twisted to make it more dramatical.

But you think it's been twisted, I for example do not.

Also I don't see the problem with Japanese fans expressing their dissatisfaction with this type of politicking, even if you think they are all wrong, and you're right.

And yes, I do read it as Nagoya's agenda. I mean I am sure Kozuka also has "misplaced worry" right? It's just a coincidence Nagoya skaters are saying this. But we will agree to disagree.

 

[narcissa]

I never understand when people say that Yuzuru's skating isn't emotional. H&L especially, is a program about him and it feels like he's pouring his whole heart onto the ice. Sure, he doesn't give that much face in the program, but it would feel wrong if he did. H&L is a quiet, reflective piece and it would feel wrong if he was constantly making faces of anguish or something.

It's the most emotional program this year.

I don't entertain any other opinions, nope :noshake:

It's just not dramatic/flirtatious/theatrical like Seimei or Shoma's LP or Yuzuru's SP. He's not a theatrical person, and H&L is about him so why would it be?!

It doesn't mean it's not emotional, though. These are totally different things!

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Some people here were ready to bash Akiko over the head before even seeing a translation.

Who?
I had a translation from a friend (and I didn't share it because I didn't manage to ask for permission for it)... some others here can read Japanese but maybe didn't have the time to translate it I guess. I'm sorry you weren't "on the list" then...? But the person who told you to use google translate IIRC was xeyra, who didn't bash anybody's head as far as I can see.

And yes, even if I base my opinion on a translation (since I don't have any other choice) I would still like the opportunity to form my own opinion and not just adopt the opinion of other people, no matter how many likes those angry tweets get.

Then do that. Nobody said you would have to adopt any other persons opinion on here.

And without even arguing if the outrage is justified in this case: I agree with Hanmgse that this is how this thread operates way too often. Somebody says something even remotely negative about Yuzuru or doesn't quit their day job to do nothing but praise him all day, and some people will just go ballistic. It's tiresome and annoying.

In general I would even agree. But not on this one. I'll take my pitchfork then and like some more angry tweets.

 

[narcissa]

But you think it's been twisted, I for example do not.

Also I don't see the problem with Japanese fans expressing their dissatisfaction with this type of politicking, even if you think they are all wrong, and you're right.

And yes, I do read it as Nagoya's agenda. I mean I am sure Kozuka also has "misplaced worry" right? It's just a coincidence Nagoya skaters are saying this. But we will agree to disagree.

concern trolling?

 

[beki]

As an outsider, I will take everyone's word for it on the politics. Whatever her intention, some of her statements I like and agree with (insofar as translation is correct):

...he’s not the kind of guy who only wants to win, he’s the kind of guy who wants to win by a mile.

The final result saw him getting beaten in terms of combined total by Nathan and that’s likely what brought about his WC win. 4CC was the turning point for Yuzuru.

So these other skaters started arming themselves with weapons Yuzuru doesn’t yet have.

Yuzuru’s comeback performance of his free that led to his regaining his title was the best I’ve ever seen, bar none.

Yuzuru has a competitive streak that goes above and beyond so I’m guessing what he really wants to do is to put out a performance that is far beyond even what we have just seen.

So I’m sure he’s calmly studying what’s going on around him and thinking, “What’s my best strategy now?” Before, he would’ve been all gung-ho and just gone, “Imma do it!” but he’s now able exert a calm control that translated very well into his performance.

His mind and body have grown stronger, his abilities have increased.

No doubt it’ll be extremely tough on him but it’ll be exciting to see the kind of performance he’ll present when he’s in his absolute zone devoid of others. That moment of release will be epic to behold.

Also, we know he doesn't underestimate Nathan and Shoma, so that isn't news. That they are trying to beat him on tech isn't news either. The dangerous element here though, is promoting Shoma as more artistic. That point of view has already gained a foothold with English-speaking commentators, bloggers, etc.

 

[YuzusHydroblade]

Probably, photos of Shoma's quads frame by frame at Sponichi and other sources. Editors make it huuuge almost like Yuzu's jumps. But when you look closely at the ladies in the public being duplicated again and again you understand the real distance of that 4F.

http://i.imgur.com/rXrrxGW.jpg

i think i can do better than that hahaha

Also, and this is the only thing i will comment about the article because i care too much about this kid and i feel it's too early in the off season to be all angry:
Usual disclaimer regarding me and japanese: my japanese isn't good yet.
But i read the original article and the translation that was posted here and i don't think it was too biased although some nuances are lost in my opinion, which i think are the cause of the uproar among the fans. Of course there are things in the article that i don't agree with, and i scrunched my face at some of the sentences because they could be interpreted in not so nice ways (or maybe that was just me failing to read and interpret it correctly)
Definitely some questionable stuff in there and i think it's made worse because of the perceived friendship between Yuzuru and Akiko but i don't think it was that bad as i was led to think by reading the comments here...

 

[AppleEmperor]

This is my lock screen <3

Also this thread has passed 70k replies!!?!

 

[Pamigena]

i just want to meekly point out, plenty of people on this thread do read Japanese. Those people, however, aren't the ones who're now telling others how to feel or characterizing others as "screaming" etc etc. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, what's the point of having a fan thread if you can't react to info coming out about skaters?

Yes thank you, I have been here for a while now and people keep telling me that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Do I have the same right? Because in my opinion people here tend to overreact big time over trifles, and in addition I would still prefer to form my own opinion and not just join a choir. We good? Good.

 

[narcissa]

This thread is intense. That's okay, it just means we all love Yuzuru very, very much :luv17:

 

[YuzusHydroblade]

This is my lock screen <3

Also this thread has passed 70k replies!!?!

Omurice had the honor of being the 70k post

This thread is intense. That's okay, it just means we all love Yuzuru very, very much :luv17:

Well, Yuzuru is intense too maybe we take from him more things that we realize...

 

[Danibellerika]

I never understand when people say that Yuzuru's skating isn't emotional. H&L especially, is a program about him and it feels like he's pouring his whole heart onto the ice. Sure, he doesn't give that much face in the program, but it would feel wrong if he did. H&L is a quiet, reflective piece and it would feel wrong if he was constantly making faces of anguish or something.

Personally, choreographed over emoting takes me right out of a program. And for me, sometimes it's like it's making up for other weaknesses in someone's skating.

 

[Pamigena]

Then do that. Nobody said you would have to adopt any other persons opinion on here.

Really? So what does it mean then when you say

some people here want to tell the Japanese people who read it that say just don't understand their own language and intentions written there as well as they do - from a translation into a different language? Well...

Because to me that does sound like saying that I shouldn't form my own opinion based on a translation and should just believe what I am told.

 

[turquoiseblue]

Yuzu has the most talented fans
https://twitter.com/mugitomo47/status/857255560416157696

 

[JuliettaG]

Probably, photos of Shoma's quads frame by frame at Sponichi and other sources. Editors make it huuuge almost like Yuzu's jumps. But when you look closely at the ladies in the public being duplicated again and again you understand the real distance of that 4F.

http://i.imgur.com/rXrrxGW.jpg

LOL,and I thought that I'd seen everything with the spanish press photoshop of offsides on football,but this is even better

About the discussion,Idk Akiko's intentions and I think she didn't want to say anything negative about Yuzuru.Each one has his own preferences so I'm ok with it.In my case, the only two programs which made me emotional were Yuzu's H&L ( I still remember how I started to cry after the first 4S and couldn't stop until ten minutes later) and Mai's Cinderella,they touch my soul I guess. But expecting that Yuzuru'll be praised by everyone is being a fool;the big stars are always criticised, but this only means one thing, they'll improve to show everyone who they're.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

i think i can do better than that hahaha

I can't find it anymore, but there was also one where Shoma apparently competed at the "Japan OpOpOpOpeeOpeeepeeeeeen" or something... I mean, I cannot judge if he jumped that big there, I have never heard of that competition!

Also, and this is the only thing i will comment about the article because i care too much about this kid and i feel it's too early in the off season to be all angry:
Usual disclaimer regarding me and japanese: my japanese isn't good yet.
But i read the original article and the translation that was posted here and i don't think it was too biased although some nuances are lost in my opinion, which i think are the cause of the uproar among the fans. Of course there are things in the article that i don't agree with, and i scrunched my face at some of the sentences because they could be interpreted in not so nice ways (or maybe that was just me failing to read and interpret it correctly)
Definitely some questionable stuff in there and i think it's made worse because of the perceived friendship between Yuzuru and Akiko but i don't think it was that bad as i was led to think by reading the comments here...

Thank you for your input on this. That's pretty much in line with the other things I heard from actual Japanese speakers before... (so at the very least, it wouldn't just be you who would be failing to understand).

 

[PatricksGaze]

Sometimes people want to be offended and want additional drama. I'm sure Yuzuru is not affected by anything Akiko said. I'm sure they know each other very well, care about each other and he'll take it as a constructive criticism no matter how the things actually are. I don't say for Yuzu or read his mind like some people do it here ; I just think he's this way.
I think Akko is trying to be neural and cares for Yuzu at the same time. I've read the original article and translation as well and didn't see the terrible things people were implying here. My opinion, of course. Many things were taken out of context or exaggerated, like her "bashing" him or "stressing his weakness". People totally ignored the positive things about this article and her actually praising him. I can't believe that people who used to follow Yuzu since he was young and who know his history with Akiko can attack Akiko like that and imply the hostility of her words. She's always loved him. She can't be a perfect fan and make every fan happy. She's not always right.
Now the Nagoya thing is suddenly trending around the fandom. Even though many people don't really know how it's actually getting done, the actual scale of the problem and don't have any example on their hands, just jumping on the hate and conspiracy wagon with everyone else. There are people who know about Nagoya thing, but people please do your own research for God's sake and please don't bash every skater who comes from Nagoya. Now I'm scared for future skaters who just happen to come from there.
And do people really suddenly worship people who NEVER say anything negative about Yuzuru and praise him as an ideal skater? Aka Nobunari? Thanks God Yuzu had people who could provide him with a justified criticism during his career no matter what his fans want. Thanks to that he could raise to the toppest top. It's amazing how the same skater (like Javi) can suddenly be worshipped after a nice comment about Yuzuru and judged harshly after the negative one next.
I'm so thankful for Yuzuru for skating in his own world and not really caring about the hysterical environment around him sometimes. It's sad how the Dai thing happened so long ago and Yuzu was depressed and would probably want to remember it as a thing from the past, yet fans are bringing it back again and wish to recall it for everyone forever. Some fans really need to paint Yuzu in a pessimistic color sometimes, create multiple enemies around him and put him in a defenseless situation to satisfy their own need for drama. Yuzuru is not some kind of a delicate flower. He's grown up.

 

[Meoima]

Guys... I don't care what those articles say. I do think they're just playing political game but it doesn't matter.

It's not like we can do anything. I am not a person of power in the skating world, what can I do? What can you guys do at all? 2 million signatures from Korea did nothing sort of after Sochi. And people have to let it go.

I sent videos of cheated jumps to my Russian specialist, did you know what she say? "darling, the higher up know it all, they just ignore it." You think they don't know? Lol...

The point is to know these things exist and move on. If we can not change it, we have to accept it and deal with it.

I feel old. Just out of surgery and barely can eat anything. These political game can do nothing to me now. As a fan, I know that the best we can do is support him as much as we can. That's all. Pray hard for him. And wish him well.

 

[Camillo]

Maybe I'm being naive but I don't really understand the point of using it for the purpose of politicking, is it really going to influence judges' opinions and change anything in that regard?

Words of other people DO influence our perception, actually it's a great self-deception to think our opinions are totally independent . You may find at Youtube videos of social experiments on that matter, for example Asch conformity experiment.

When trustworthy professionals keep telling "This skater is great at PCS" (even though he's not really that great) or "That skater's LP was lacking emotions" (even though it's not true), sooner or later it will become common opinion that yes, no doubt, this skater is great at PCS and that skater has problems with expressing emotions. :sarcasm:

 

[YuzusHydroblade]

I can't find it anymore, but there was also one where Shoma apparently competed at the "Japan OpOpOpOpeeOpeeepeeeeeen" or something... I mean, I cannot judge if he jumped that big there, I have never heard of that competition!

I couldn't suppress my laughter and my coworkers asked me what was wrong because i sounded like a dying seal

Thank you for your input on this. That's pretty much in line with the other things I heard from actual Japanese speakers before... (so at the very least, it wouldn't just be you who would be failing to understand).

You're welcome i haven't read the twitter reactions yet so i don't know how the Japanese reacted to it...

 

[beki]

Some fans really need to paint Yuzu in a pessimistic color sometimes, create multiple enemies around him and put him in a defenseless situation to satisfy their own need for drama. Yuzuru is not some kind of a delicate flower. He's grown up.

I know what you mean. Fans feel powerless to change the situation, but he isn't. When challenged, he responds with greatness. So maybe more difficulty will show us something even better. Which is part of what Akiko said.