Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

[oat]

They generaly take music not use so much (or never, i don't remember if skaters have already used before them woodkid, this mozart or build a home and Oddudua ) in skating.
So it would be interesting to see them upon a classic music in ice dance.
the romeo and juliet or swan lake, phantom of opera etc

But i doubt that they are interested by that

 

[cocotaffy]

The Mozart had been used by Carolina Kostner if I'm not mistaken.
Indeed I don't think we'll see them skate on a POTO any time soon. I personally don't mind but I think they could skate on the Teletubbies song I wouldn't care either. I just want to see them on the ice.

 

[maya1985]

I think they could skate on the Teletubbies song .

Very good idea I hope it is not too late to offer them the idea:laugh15: (The "worst" thing is that I could love)

They could skate on this song in honor of their new sponsor (Lacoste) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9b0cax6s4

More seriously, for you what competition (challenger) will they do before the grand prix?

 

[cocotaffy]

Very good idea I hope it is not too late to offer them the idea:laugh15: (The "worst" thing is that I could love)

They could skate on this song in honor of their new sponsor (Lacoste) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T9b0cax6s4

More seriously, for you what competition (challenger) will they do before the grand prix?

First off, I truly hope they'll do a B comp. Last year, they've chosen not to. I'm guessing because their FD was far from ready. The year before nothing indicated they would compete in any Bs and then she had her concussion. The only time was 2014 when they competed at the Autumn Classic. I wish they would go challenge themselves early on neutral ground so no Autumn Classic. French Master is a joke tbh so I think Nebelhorn could be interesting.

 

[maya1985]

First off, I truly hope they'll do a B comp. Last year, they've chosen not to. I'm guessing because their FD was far from ready. The year before nothing indicated they would compete in any Bs and then she had her concussion. The only time was 2014 when they competed at the Autumn Classic. I wish they would go challenge themselves early on neutral ground so no Autumn Classic. French Master is a joke tbh so I think Nebelhorn could be interesting.

In 2015, they should have participated at the cup of Nice,they were registered (a few days after the masters).
In September, there are also the Lombardia trophy, Ondrej Nepala (Bratislava) and the Finlandia trophy (early october). Nebelhorn is at the same time that the french masters (it's a national competition, "la rentrée de l'équipe de France")

I should not have watched the messages about the interview... I hesitate between laughing and crying

 

[MelDee]

I should not have watched the messages about the interview... I hesitate between laughing and crying

It's getting ridiculous, people are just searching for excuses to attack Gaby and Guillaume. I now regret even reading that thread, there's no much logical reasoning there (even though some posters brought up some valid points).

Anyway, I'd love to see them at Nebelhorn, as I think there could be a decent level of competition, but if it's at the same time as the French Masters, they might not be able to go. Perhaps Finlandia could be another possibility?

 

[yuna13]

I should not have watched the messages about the interview... I hesitate between laughing and crying

yeah it's insane. thanks to all of you who posted message trying to explain and defend P/C. loved cocotaffy last message.
we are only in may what is it going to be in october? was it like that with D/W and V/M?

i think they should annonce their music choice in advance this year that way the critics won't start right when the season start. the discussion (the bashing) would have happened before.

 

[cocotaffy]

When I see a thread in the general forum with Papadakıs/Cizeron in the title, I know I shouldn't open it but I can't help myself. Then after reading I promise myself not to answer or if I do I always try to reason with arguments because it is interesting to share ideas and some posters are great to read but this time, it was just so ridiculous, the only way was sarcasms. And it felt very liberating. I can't imagine what can be so irritating about Gaby and Guillaume tbh, they're so easy going and really don't take themselves seriously but it seems to get lost in translation especially on print. The fact they're French might not help either hence the arrogant or pretentious comments. I don't know anymore. Fortunately, there are fan threads.

Anyway, too bad for Nebelhorn. Maybe Nepala. As for the cup of Nice, it's in France so not competitive enough to get an unbiased feedback from the judges.
I don't think they'll reveal their music any sooner than usual, it's just not their style. Gash, who do they think they are, they should get over themselves and just do like everyone else, so pretentious to make everyone wait

 

[maya1985]

I don't think they'll reveal their music any sooner than usual, it's just not their style. Gash, who do they think they are, they should get over themselves and just do like everyone else, so pretentious to make everyone wait

At best the week before their first competition ... (This is part of their charm : do nothing like the others)

 

[Camille1409]

When I read the interview I know in maybe 3 seconds that everyone will turn crazy with that only sentence. And sadly here we are....
I talked a little with Florentina (interview author), she is totally disappointed about some reactions too !
I hope all this crazy no-story will no be a difficulty for the new season.
Ps: Cocotaffy your answer made me laugh so hard

 

[maya1985]

I talked a little with Florentina (interview author), she is totally disappointed about some reactions too !

One of the most beautiful (and one of the most interesting) interviews of Gabriella and Guillaume. Unfortunately, summarized by some people in a sentence out of context
I fell in love with this phrase: "And it’s so simple, but just by looking at each other we feel like we get stronger. Because we are stronger together than separate." (Guillaume talking about their ritual before skating)

 

[Camille1409]

I was so thrilled when I read this itw, it's simply so human, true and them as Florentine said at the begging because of the strange localisation.

I think this pre Olympic season turns people a little too much crazy

 

[MelDee]

I think this pre Olympic season turns peuple a little too much crazy

People are understandably super hyped for the Olympic season, and I can't blame them, but this was an example of looking for drama and blowing things WAY out of proportion. And there's what - 4 months to go till the beginning of the season? Oh boy, things are probably about to get crazy!

I just hope that Gaby and Guillaume don't hear any of this unnecessary backlash and don't get disheartened about sharing their opinions with us, because I'd love to hear more about their vision of ice dance. Florentina truly made them come out of their shells, and I think the strange surroundings made them relaxed haha!

 

[yuna13]

I just hope that Gaby and Guillaume don't hear any of this unnecessary backlash and don't get disheartened about sharing their opinions with us, because I'd love to hear more about their vision of ice dance.!

looks like they did :https://twitter.com/GabriellaPks/status/864991550752923648

 

[Camille1409]

Yeah she posted the tweet this morning, and it's pretty good that some skaters answers her like Charlie or Adam. Unity is a good thing !

 

[MelDee]

looks like they did :https://twitter.com/GabriellaPks/status/864991550752923648

Yup, I've seen that... but that's just the misquote. What I meant was that I hope they don't read the FS forums, that's where it got really ugly. I've even seen a comment on Gaby's Instagram, but that person wasn't even making much sense anyway. Even if they get some responses on social media, I hope they'll just shrug it off and won't pay attention to it.

Yeah she posted the tweet this morning, and it's pretty good that some skaters answers her like Charlie or Adam. Unity is a good thing !

HELL YEAH! I'm glad about that too. I'm sure Charlie would even support their opinion of Latin on ice

 

[cocotaffy]

I think the best word describing this interview is candid. They give candid answers which is indeed refreshing in a sea of polish PR interviews. Do we want to hear another, we're so excited by the next season, we can't wait to explore Latin Rhythm because it's our favorite type of music ever. We'll work hard, learn from the past, live by our peers' example and so on and so forth. I also want to hear about doubts and struggles and honest opinions about how ID can evolve, what could be changed. Are we bound to be stuck to ballroom adaptations in the SD just because it was so in the past ? ISU is trying new things too like hip hop, even though it might not have been the best to be adapted onto the ice as Gaby explained because it relies too much on the stomping of the floor. Then we could imagine redesigning another type of technical program instead of the SD or come back to a more rigid one like the Compulsory Dance, no pb of interpretation there. Plain patterns. The discussion they initiated is actually very interesting and instead of being mocked or people acting shocked as if Gaby had insulted the whole of South America, we could talk about that. Anyway, I'm afraid they'll lose their candid ways and become more guarded with this type of backlash.

 

[cocotaffy]

Yeah but the backlash really isn't about what they think about Latin music or the short dance or any of that: it's what's being inferred from their statements (which was not necessarily intended) about another ice dance couple's previous latin fs and sd outings...... And to be fair to those reacting about it, the inferral is there, whether P and C realised it not, and I'm not surprised it has incited a lot of feeling from those who feel that couple's status is being threatened by P and C, which it is. Generally, an ice dance couple wouldn't call another ice dance couple's dances cheap and cliche in public, and there isn't really a way of not seeing their comments as applying to that other couple's previous outings. I do wish the cheap and cliche comments had been edited out before publication, because even before the kerfuffle happened, I knew that in a short time they would be being discussed on The Skating Lesson and the fan fighting would begin.

Then I need to reread the article myself because I don't remember them targeting a specific ID couple but just saying in general Latin dances on ice end up looking cheap and cliche. I thought the issue was more about the comments on Gaby's finding latin music a bit boring and not being able to distinguish the various rhythm as well as the problem of adapting ballroom dances successfully onto the ice. I didn't look at the comments on TSL and I probably better not. Gaby's tweet with couple of unsavory comments under it and that thread here was enough for me. If I feel like punishing myself, I'll take a look tomorrow.

 

[beki]

I was surprised they said that, but I get what they mean. I'm thinking of ice dancing's cringeworthy past, the Strictly Ballroom voidyness. I know some people really like that aspect, and I do too—occasionally, in limited doses! Overall, I like their fresh, modern look. In my experience, it translates well for general audiences.

I also don't believe they're taking a shot at Tessa and Scott by discussing their feelings about a genre as a whole. V/M have done Latin really well imo. But P/C are still allowed not to like it.

 

[SnowWhite]

Yeah but the backlash really isn't about what they think about Latin music or the short dance or any of that: it's what's being inferred from their statements (which was not necessarily intended) about another ice dance couple's previous latin fs and sd outings...... And to be fair to those reacting about it, the inferral is there, whether P and C realised it not, and I'm not surprised it has incited a lot of feeling from those who feel that couple's status is being threatened by P and C, which it is. Generally, an ice dance couple wouldn't call another ice dance couple's dances cheap and cliche in public, and there isn't really a way of not seeing their comments as applying to that other couple's previous outings. I do wish the cheap and cliche comments had been edited out before publication, because even before the kerfuffle happened, I knew that in a short time they would be being discussed on The Skating Lesson and the fan fighting would begin.

Haven't read the thread yet, but I did read the article and I'm not surprised it's become a 'thing'. Like you said, they probably didn't realize/intend to imply that, but what they said is indirectly a criticism of all their competitors who've done latin programs and I get why people are taking it that way and it bothers them. It doesn't bother me, but I do get the reaction.

I was surprised they said that, but I get what they mean. I'm thinking of ice dancing's cringeworthy past, the Strictly Ballroom voidyness. I know some people really like that aspect, and I do too—occasionally, in limited doses! Overall, I like their fresh, modern look. In my experience, it translates well for general audiences.

I also don't believe they're taking a shot at Tessa and Scott by discussing their feelings about a genre as a whole. V/M have done Latin really well imo. But P/C are still allowed not to like it.

As a V/M fan, I agree that they aren't taking a shot at V/M.

Overall, it was a really good interview, with some comments that did make me raise my eyebrows a bit. Not in a "oh they suck" way or that it upset me, but more like I got what they were saying, but didn't necessarily agree (which is fine). I was surprised by some of the comments they made about the latin, but they can have their opinion. Not something to get upset about imo. Like I personally really like having some ballroom influence and feel like ballroom inspired programs can be really awesome even if it's harder for some of those moves to work on the ice, but all that means is that I'm glad not every ID team shares their position, not that I begrudge them their opinion.

I will say, since they have to do it next season, I hope they find a way to like it so that it doesn't hold them back. The only comment they made that I didn't like was Gaby saying that latin music always sounds the same. I know skaters tend to choose from only a few songs, but that doesn't mean that latin music is all the same. She needs to explore it more if that's what she thinks because there's lots of diversity in latin music in my (somewhat limited experience). But I'm not going to hate on her for that.