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2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

I was under the impression that most ice dancers, especially in Russia, start off as figure skaters. The idea is that they weren't able to cut it as such and needed to find someway to stay in the sport.

Ice dancers are figure skaters. And most do start off as singles skaters, if that is what you are trying to say. The inference, however, that they weren't able to cut it as singles skaters is a flawed generalization. Ice dancers generally excel in different aspects of skating. Expression. Performance. Strong skating skills. Footwork. Precision. The ability to work with a partner. Many of them are highly invested in the music and the ability to express what they wish to say on the ice. And most transfer from the singles aspect of the sport to ice dance at a young age, though some compete in both for a longer period of time.

Ice dance can be learned later. It is a long-lived discipline, which is one of the beautiful things about the sport.

However--and this is a big however--athletes who take up the discipline later in life will be competing against athletes that have been competing in dance, within this specialty, at a much younger age. So while you can absolutely become an ice dancer late, that does not mean you can become an ice dancer at the level required to be competitive. Especially in a country like Russia, where there are already five/six junior dance teams at a level capable of medaling on a JGP.

You do see athletes competing at the international world level who began dance quite late. I believe Alper Ucar of Turkey and Yura Min from Korea are two of them. But . . .

1. It is easier to succeed when you have a partner who has been competing within the discipline for most of his/her life.
2. You have to have something to offer in order to get such a partner. Like citizenship in a country with a rapid citizenship process and little competition. Or perhaps being a taller man who can skate with a tall girl.
3. Even if you find such a partner, you are likely going to have to be better than Agafanova & Ucar or Min & Gamelin in order to make a World team for a country that is a major ice dance power.

I wish Adian & Alisa the best. Perhaps one or both of them will, indeed, buck the odds. You have to start somewhere. It is an incredible task they have set for themselves and a beautiful discipline within the sport.

But it is a monumental task they are undertaking if they wish to reach the elite level of ice dance in Russia. Not one that should be minimized.
 
Ice dancers are figure skaters. And most do start off as singles skaters, if that is what you are trying to say. The inference, however, that they weren't able to cut it as singles skaters is a flawed generalization. Ice dancers generally excel in different aspects of skating. Expression. Performance. Strong skating skills. Footwork. Precision. The ability to work with a partner. Many of them are highly invested in the music and the ability to express what they wish to say on the ice. And most transfer from the singles aspect of the sport to ice dance at a young age, though some compete in both for a longer period of time.

Ice dance can be learned later. It is a long-lived discipline, which is one of the beautiful things about the sport.

However--and this is a big however--athletes who take up the discipline later in life will be competing against athletes that have been competing in dance, within this specialty, at a much younger age. So while you can absolutely become an ice dancer late, that does not mean you can become an ice dancer at the level required to be competitive. Especially in a country like Russia, where there are already five/six junior dance teams at a level capable of medaling on a JGP.

You do see athletes competing at the international world level who began dance quite late. I believe Alper Ucar of Turkey and Yura Min from Korea are two of them. But . . .

1. It is easier to succeed when you have a partner who has been competing within the discipline for most of his/her life.
2. You have to have something to offer in order to get such a partner. Like citizenship in a country with a rapid citizenship process and little competition. Or perhaps being a taller man who can skate with a tall girl.
3. Even if you find such a partner, you are likely going to have to be better than Agafanova & Ucar or Min & Gamelin in order to make a World team for a country that is a major ice dance power.

I wish Adian & Alisa the best. Perhaps one or both of them will, indeed, buck the odds. You have to start somewhere. It is an incredible task they have set for themselves and a beautiful discipline within the sport.

But it is a monumental task they are undertaking if they wish to reach the elite level of ice dance in Russia. Not one that should be minimized.

My point was that men's women's and pairs skaters are usually called figure skaters and ice dancers are just called ice dancers. From reading articles they have always mentioned people switching to ice dancing because they couldn't do jumps. I know it's not the same in the US as people pursue that discipline like Davis & White from childhood.
 
Interesting that you call technical content choreography.


Because I'm missing figure skating and I'm at the hair salon with nothing to do, I am watching the 2015 jr world championships, junior ladies free skate. And I noticed something....

Evgenia has been doing the exact same choreography for the past 3 years!!!!😐😬😕😫😤😡😖😩

I'm serious. This is how her long programs have been going:
*Triple flip-triple toe
*Tano triple lutz
*a spin in which she raises her leg up in an almost-split position
*a backwards skid on both skates before she begins her footwork.
*more jumps, then ending with 2 spins
*and the layback spin is always the ending spin

Now, I really like evgenia. She's a competitor, focused, a beast out there, it's incredible !! And I think she's so talented that if her coaching team ever gave her a different style and choreography, she could definitely do it!

I have a bad feeling I'm going to be very disappointed when evgenia wins the Olympics with a "we've-seen-this-4-years-in-a-row" program.
 
I was under the impression that most ice dancers, especially in Russia, start off as figure skaters. The idea is that they weren't able to cut it as such and needed to find someway to stay in the sport. I specifically read that Stepanova was in the same group as a child with Mikhail Kolyada but she wasn't capable of continuing in singles figure skating.

I also remember seeing a video of Adian practicing a throw jump - he was the one being thrown.

The older you start, the tougher it is, I would assume. Alisa is probably young enough to make a real change, but with a partner who is making such a late change like Adian? On the other hand, if they (and especially Adian) find a way to translate their singles skills into ice dance tricks, they can do something cool.
 
https://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1052288457.html

Russia should stop giving free houses to these Champions. What for? Only for a flash in the pan? No one is goddess, really.

Consider this: most people in Russia have major troubles to buy an apartment. For instance, it is not uncommon to see 3 generations living in the same apartment the grandparents got in Soviet Union times. Also, most of those champions had to move to Moscow / St. Petersburg to train, which makes things even harder for them.
Sounds totally fair they get some support.
 
https://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1052288457.html

Russia should stop giving free houses to these Champions. What for? Only for a flash in the pan? No one is goddess, really.

She received this apartment not from government but from a private construction company back in 2014. The owners of this company were so touched by her performance that they voted to present her with an apartment in one of their buildings. Your words are just ignorant and project simple hate. If I were you, I would apologise.
 
She received this apartment not from government but from a private construction company back in 2014. The owners of this company were so touched by her performance that they voted to present her with an apartment in one of their buildings. Your words are just ignorant and project simple hate. If I were you, I would apologise.

I do not hate anybody but feel bored to death by such cheap ADS.

I would never apologize to anyone for my honest points of view!
 
Consider this: most people in Russia have major troubles to buy an apartment. For instance, it is not uncommon to see 3 generations living in the same apartment the grandparents got in Soviet Union times. Also, most of those champions had to move to Moscow / St. Petersburg to train, which makes things even harder for them.
Sounds totally fair they get some support.

Russia is no longer a communist country, and people there should change their way of thinking, not only their way of living.
 
I do not hate anybody but feel bored to death by such cheap ADS.

I would never apologize to anyone for my honest points of view!

You stated something that is not true and you call it "honest point of view"? I'm sorry but it's called "spreading lies and rumors" in my book.
 
Russia is no longer a communist country, and people there should change their way of thinking, not only their way of living.

And by way of thinking you mean...
Just because USA, Canada and majority of Western Europe in capitalistic blood bath doesn't mean it's like this everywhere. Also why should she refuse an apartment which was given to her by PRIVATE company. Are calling for Nathan Chen to give up Coca Cola sponsorship as well. And even if it was given by government I want to remind you that she is an Olympic Champion and really popular skater in Russia
 
https://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1052288457.html

Russia should stop giving free houses to these Champions. What for? Only for a flash in the pan? No one is goddess, really.

According to the article it was the construction company that built the complex that gave her the apartment....It's not a big deal - American skaters get endorsement deals and free stuff for a lot less accomplishments than what Yulia did in 2013/2014 and as long as it's a private company 'who cares', they can do what they want with their money...Taxpayer money is a different story.
 
And by way of thinking you mean...
Just because USA, Canada and majority of Western Europe in capitalistic blood bath doesn't mean it's like this everywhere. Also why should she refuse an apartment which was given to her by PRIVATE company. Are calling for Nathan Chen to give up Coca Cola sponsorship as well. And even if it was given by government I want to remind you that she is an Olympic Champion and really popular skater in Russia

Her making such appearance in this AD is not a surprise to me, as you said, who can decline such a free "gift" from a private company? Yeah, who can forget she once was an Olympic Champion? Yet, my point is not here. I think, as a public figure, she should behave a bit differently if she really cares about this sport or about her fans.

Anyway, calling anyone a hater or something so easily at this forum is just too silly.
 
Anyway, calling anyone a hater or something so easily at this forum is just too silly.

If you're not a hater than I apologize (you see, it's easy to just say I'm sorry). But you should really choose your words carefully because your first post was harsh and had incorrect information.
As for her behavior , she was as always modest and charming and all her true fans were just happy to see her smiling. And who are you to judge anyways? What did you accomplish in your life to tell others how they should or shouldn't behave in their private life?
 
https://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/1052288457.html

Russia should stop giving free houses to these Champions. What for? Only for a flash in the pan? No one is goddess, really.

It is actually a small apartment not a house in not so great a location - on the outskirts of the city close to Vnukovo airport - as far as I could gather from the article and the comments. Yes for Russians the apartment (no matter how small) in Moscow is still a big deal but surely Yulia deserved that. She's done more for popularity of FS than any other skater in Russia
 
If you're not a hater than I apologize (you see, it's easy to just say I'm sorry). But you should really choose your words carefully because your first post was harsh and had incorrect information.
As for her behavior , she was as always modest and charming and all her true fans were just happy to see her smiling. And who are you to judge anyways? What did you accomplish in your life to tell others how they should or shouldn't behave in their private life?
You are so rude to talk this way, do you know? You have no right whatsoever to judge me, a very frank & honest person here. As for my accomplishments, are they comparable to a skater's? :rofl: I don't need your apology, and I don't think you got my point either. Mind-reading or reading between the lines is not easy at any time. :laugh:
 
It is actually a small apartment not a house in not so great a location - on the outskirts of the city close to Vnukovo airport - as far as I could gather from the article and the comments. Yes for Russians the apartment (no matter how small) in Moscow is still a big deal but surely Yulia deserved that. She's done more for popularity of FS than any other skater in Russia

Actually I meant differently, but now any further discussion here is meaningless. You guys always thought as an Olympic Champion she deserved this or that, but, does she have corresponding obligations to follow at the same time? Anyway it was nice talking to you, bye.
 
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