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I was talking mostly about the seniors - L/D have been getting their fair share of level 4s in these last seasons, especially in the SD.

Oh, ok. I just saw Shpilevaya/Smirnov in your post and automatically assumed that you mean juniors too.

Then yes, I agree with you. They need to find an actual tech spec.
 
It bothered Volkov enough to kick them out of his rink

I also agree about Stepanova, her weaker skating skills and the fact you could drive a truck between them when skating in hold, will be the reason they fail to crack the top level.

Though I must confess I enjoy watching her and Bukin.

I didn't know about that. I thought he was just frustrated with them professionally. Besides Katsalapov could have blamed Volkov for his poor performance at EC and just left him. It is telling though because EI called Volkov a whiz with respect to technical issues. Oh well.

Yes, I do like S/B as well, in spite of their flaws :)
 

Well that's the dangers of google translate! If you translate it properly with a native speaker, the message is that it was a trial and not yet decided.

Even in the google translate it says 'there are no decisions on the transfer of Ilyins to coaching work' which clearly says it is not decided even in this poor translation
 
I'm a new ice dance fan, so I have a question: what does it mean, "you could drive a truck between them when they skate in hold." ? What do I need to look out for when watching a dance team? They should be skating very close together most of the time? And what is "in hold"? How do u know when a team is in hold?
 
I'm a new ice dance fan, so I have a question: what does it mean, "you could drive a truck between them when they skate in hold." ? What do I need to look out for when watching a dance team? They should be skating very close together most of the time? And what is "in hold"? How do u know when a team is in hold?

This isn't the right forum for you love, you just might get run over by a truck :laugh2: But in all honesty though would someone be interested in starting a thread about this and similar issues; "Dancing 101"?
 
I'm a new ice dance fan, so I have a question: what does it mean, "you could drive a truck between them when they skate in hold." ?

It means the poster is being rude. And that there is too much space between both skaters, making the skating easier.

What do I need to look out for when watching a dance team?
Many, many things. Speed. Edge control. Footwork. Ease of movement within lift positions. Intricacy. The list goes on and on and on.

They should be skating very close together most of the time?
Yes, but on some elements, they should do this while skating separately, and on others while remaining in constant contact.

And what is "in hold"?
Exactly what it sounds like. They are holding onto each other, generally in a dance hold, skating face to face, with both hands touching each other, or closer. With an arm wrapped around the other's waist. Or sides almost glued together. Different holds are appropriate for difference dances. A waltz or quickstep hold, should actually have a strong frame, i.e. there should be more space between the upper bodies; but the hips closer together.

How do u know when a team is in hold?
See the explanation above.

Just, in general, the closer a team is at the hips while performing. More face-to-face skating. More speed while doing both. These are all good things to look for.

If the dancers are out of hold, performing required side-by-side elements, then you look for close, uniform amounts of distance between the skaters while performing.

The catch--and it's a big one--is that you cannot see speed on television. You have to be in the arena to see it. Without watching an event live, it's very difficult to tell who is moving fast while skating close together and who is sacrificing speed in order to do so. In my experience, almost all teams slow down when they begin performing tight, intricate footwork, either in or out of hold. So there is a level of balance there. A team may be skating closer together, but sacrificing speed & flow. And a team that skates farther apart may be gaining points for speed & flow. So it's not cut & dry. You want both, and that is very difficult to find with a truly intricate present-day footwork sequence.
 
I kind of hope not. They are a team that could have some future after the Olympics. At least he's stronger than Bagin.
 
I kind of hope not. They are a team that could have some future after the Olympics. At least he's stronger than Bagin.

He's stronger than Bagin? I thought they were about the same!

if this is true doesn't that leave Davankova without a partner? Morozov won't be happy about his wife without a partner
 
I kind of hope not. They are a team that could have some future after the Olympics. At least he's stronger than Bagin.

Curious, it seems to me the common denominator between I/K and D/S is Morozov. Probably the nomadic lifestyle began to take a toll on the poor guy. But all this could just be rumours like I/K having a tryout recently, haha. D/S should be with Morozov, Amodio and W/P in some camp in the hills of France, Vaujany, I believe. Also as he's really only borderline better than Bagin, what future does he have with either Mrs. M or Lena? I've come to realize if a team doesn't have a strong male lead, its pretty much pointless, IMHO.
 
He's stronger than Bagin? I thought they were about the same!

if this is true doesn't that leave Davankova without a partner? Morozov won't be happy about his wife without a partner

Misery likes company, what kind of partner does his daughter have anyways? They can both paint each other's nails and trash talk the woeful state of male ice dancers in Russia. And like how many partners has Anton had in the past three seasons? Three...eek!
 
He's stronger than Bagin? I thought they were about the same!

I wouldn't say he's that stronger. But not as weaker, perhaps. It's not like there's much to choose in the Russian crop out of the top teams. Bagin is tall and strong for Elena, but I don't know if he's not too tall. Also, he lacks smoothness in his skating, and perhaps it was something to do with Stavitskaya, idk.
 
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