2017-18 State of U.S. Men's Figure Skating
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No, I have not.
I was hoping he would be registered for Philly International. He was there at least in 2014, and maybe even 2015? or he was registered, but injured?
But alas, no.....
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No, I have not.
I was hoping he would be registered for Philly International. He was there at least in 2014, and maybe even 2015? or he was registered, but injured?
But alas, no.....
Thanks, El. If you hear anything, holler at me!
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Thank you, Mathman. :agree:
BTW/FWIW, Phil Hersh did refer to Max as a "quad king."
Aaron began hockey at 4 and figure skating at 9. He did both until a back injury led him to stop hockey at 16 ....
Five years later, he has jumped around everyone in just as surprising a move to become U.S. figure skating's new quad king and national champion.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...30310_1_max-aaron-brian-joubert-jeremy-abbott (Mar 2013)
Five years later, he has jumped around everyone in just as surprising a move to become U.S. figure skating's new quad king and national champion.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...30310_1_max-aaron-brian-joubert-jeremy-abbott (Mar 2013)
(Does not mean that you have to agree with Hersh's usage.)
Torgashev was at ISP camp, FWIW.
Yes, Vincent skates like a young boy, and Max skates like a deaf longshoreman...
...it's kind of like the Sophie's Choice of PCS
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I actually think Aaron has improved quite a lot his presentation. He has a long shot though.
Well, folks Vincent Zhou had quite the start at Skate Detroit. He scored a total score of
275.33 (177.65 FS/97.68)
Obviously the far highest score of all the U.S. men so far.
Grant Hochstein was second with 225.75 (70.10 SP/155.31 FS)
By the way, the results for Skate Milwaukee are also out.
Jason Brown 210.00 (the breakdown was 84/126 or something like that; he doubled all his jumps in the FS)
Jordan Moeller 188.40
Benjamin Jalovick 154.83
The summer scores (Total 185+) among U.S. men (credit to Sylvia for compiling some of this info: https://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/)
Vincent Zhou 275.33 (Skate Detroit)
Ross Miner 234.07 (Lake Placid)
Timothy Dolensky 229.10 (Broadmoor Open)
Grant Hochstein 225.75 (Skate Detroit)
Jason Brown 210.00 (Skate Milwaukee)
Jordan Moeller 200.73 (Broadmoor Open)
Alex Krasnozhon 196.15 (Cannon Texas)
Jimmy Ma 185.02 (Broadmoor Open)
Glacier Falls is this coming weekend, here are the US men who are going to be there:
Jason Brown
Grant Hochstein
Benjamin Jalovick
Jimmy Ma
Ross Miner
Sebastien Payannet
Sean Rabbitt
275.33 (177.65 FS/97.68)
Obviously the far highest score of all the U.S. men so far.
Grant Hochstein was second with 225.75 (70.10 SP/155.31 FS)
By the way, the results for Skate Milwaukee are also out.
Jason Brown 210.00 (the breakdown was 84/126 or something like that; he doubled all his jumps in the FS)
Jordan Moeller 188.40
Benjamin Jalovick 154.83
The summer scores (Total 185+) among U.S. men (credit to Sylvia for compiling some of this info: https://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/)
Vincent Zhou 275.33 (Skate Detroit)
Ross Miner 234.07 (Lake Placid)
Timothy Dolensky 229.10 (Broadmoor Open)
Grant Hochstein 225.75 (Skate Detroit)
Jason Brown 210.00 (Skate Milwaukee)
Jordan Moeller 200.73 (Broadmoor Open)
Alex Krasnozhon 196.15 (Cannon Texas)
Jimmy Ma 185.02 (Broadmoor Open)
Glacier Falls is this coming weekend, here are the US men who are going to be there:
Jason Brown
Grant Hochstein
Benjamin Jalovick
Jimmy Ma
Ross Miner
Sebastien Payannet
Sean Rabbitt
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Everyone has skaters who are their cup of tea and those who aren't. That doesn't mean you can't appreciate the skaters that aren't your favorites. For example- Max and Adam don't really do anything for me, their programs are not ones I watch over again. But I still appreciate them as great skaters and if they skate the best on the day of competition they should place accordingly. We all have our opinions on what merits good artistry and that's okay. But it doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't meet our personal standard stinks.
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I'm not thrilled at the idea that my faves Jason, Adam, and Josh will not all be able to go to the Olympics, and heck, it might be that none of them make it. Vincent still doesn't wow me, but you can't deny the tech. Will he be the next Hanyu by 2022? With the right time and seasoning, quite possibly. He just doesn't have the grace and skating skills of Nathan.
I don't see all the furor over Max being a quad king or not. Call me when he does something other than quad sal in competition. There's no doubt that he was the only reliable quad man for a pretty long period of time, but that doesn't matter now.
I don't see all the furor over Max being a quad king or not. Call me when he does something other than quad sal in competition. There's no doubt that he was the only reliable quad man for a pretty long period of time, but that doesn't matter now.
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Of course you wouldn't, you like to indulge in revisionist history yourself. What I took exception to was the erasure of Max between Goebel and Chen. Regardless of if you like him or not, he was the only US man landing two quads in an FS at a time when no other US man could regularly land one, and to say that the US didn't have a "quadster" at all between Goebel and Chen is insulting, demeaning and revisionist history at its finest.
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Though I have never seen Max in person, I can tell you that it wasn't just his jumps that made some of my "Non" skating friends fall in love with his skating. Jumps aside....Max skates with wild abandon and furious speed. His non traditional style may upset some hardcore figure skating fans but, Max was a refreshing change for several of my friends. I haven't seen Adam Rippon this year but, he has done well internationally and he has great coaching, great choreography, and when he goes clean, he's a judges dreams. If Adam hits a 3 quad LP, I'd send him to the games over Vincent in a heartbeat. Adam missed Nationals last year so we really don't know how things will go at Nationals. The last time he went.. He won.
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I guess it all depends on how you define a quadster. No one between Goebel and Chen has landed two different types of quads in competition among US men (aside from maybe Brandon Mroz? I'm just guessing though on him).
I don't want to shortchange Max's ability to land two quad salchows in an LP, but that's still not quite as ambitious as landing different types of quads.
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This makes me super sad too
What's with the doom and gloom?? I don't agree with that at all. All 3 have made the world team in the past and as exciting as Vincent might be. He has competed in 1 event......1 event. I think we need to relax and wait to see how the rest of the rest field, and the rest of the GP season, plays out.
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I think I have to agree with TontoK's earlier post. Yes, Adam with three quads would be great. Jason with three quads would be great. Josh with three quads would be great. Max with three quads would be great, especially if one of them were a loop, flip or Lutz. Heck, I would be pretty good if I could do three quads.
It's all pre-season speculation ,but I think it is more likely that Vicent Zhou will improve his presentation skills than that these events will come to pass.
I hope Jason and the rest show me I'm wrong!
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For anyone interested, I put together a video of Nathan Chen's US Nats free program... without jumps and spins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_rD_c0WCQ
Many have said his program was nothing but jump, stroke, stroke, jump... I see a lot more than that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_rD_c0WCQ
Many have said his program was nothing but jump, stroke, stroke, jump... I see a lot more than that.
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Let's see Brandon Mroz did at one point I'm pretty sure, I know Ryan Bradley did (note 2010 LP for one that included multiple quads with one in combo), point being Max isn't the only one that did 2 quads a program among US Men between Goebel and Chen. There were more than that, but if other posters want to talk about erased lol, there you have it. :sarcasm:
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I wouldn't say his program as a whole is nothing but jump, stroke, stroke, jump. But I would say that's a pretty accurate description of the first 2 minutes of his program (unedited). Even your edited version begins with a minute and 20 seconds of what are basically crossovers with a few transitions. That's not to say Nathan isn't capable of more - I think we see that especially in the SP, and to some degree in the st sq and choreo sq here. But unlike Hanyu, say, Nathan doesn't weave his jumps into the choreography, and I think that's what many people find lacking.
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And here's his "Stole the Show" EX, which I only recently read he choreographed. Really shows his personality, swagger and charm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IWrJOhUVl0
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