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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

Oh no! Not their 2016 world ex. The way they danced in the "I can't feel my face" section was cringe-worthy.
 
Different strokes for different folks, I guess, I thought they did great (and even better the longer they performed it during the French Tour).

Well, good thing that their biggest competitors have set a standard of cringeworthy that I don't think will be matched this year ;)
 
Different strokes for different folks, I guess, I thought they did great (and even better the longer they performed it during the French Tour).

Well, good thing that their biggest competitors have set a standard of cringeworthy that I don't think will be matched this year ;)

hey Mel, do you have a video link for the French tour version, I tried to find the video on YT but .....
 
Oh no! Not their 2016 world ex. The way they danced in the "I can't feel my face" section was cringe-worthy.

An exhibition piece is an exhibition piece. By the time this programme has had Marie-France's theirs, and Dean's eyes all over it; and then, Romain Hagueneuer, who sometimes seems to be forgotten from the equation, but whose haircut alone justifies him being seen as the biggest perfectionist in ice dance, it will be fine.
 
hey Mel, do you have a video link for the French tour version, I tried to find the video on YT but .....

Hi Camille! I can't seem to find the ones I watched back in 2016, there was one fan video of the ex and then there was a reportage in which they danced bits of it. Those may have been taken down since. What I found though is this fan montage with bits of "Can't Feel My Face" and "To Build a Home". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WDlM6ae-3o
 
Romain Hagueneuer whose haircut alone justifies him being seen as the biggest perfectionist in ice dance, it will be fine.

:rofl: this might be the best definition of him as a coach

As for P/C, I hoped they would have used a Cuban music but I feel they're in a experimentating mood calling over Dean and all. After all, they've been criticised so much for lack of versatility, and doing a stripped down very authentic Cuban SD would have fallen in that category. Basically, we can conjecture all we want, we just gonna have to wait 1 more week.
 
:rofl: this might be the best definition of him as a coach

As for P/C, I hoped they would have used a Cuban music but I feel they're in a experimentating mood calling over Dean and all. After all, they've been criticised so much for lack of versatility, and doing a stripped down very authentic Cuban SD would have fallen in that category. Basically, we can conjecture all we want, we just gonna have to wait 1 more week.

Yeah, it's definitely not a cuban music :)
Transposing on the ice such type of music written for ballroom rumbas would more likely lead to many clichés or stereotypes and this is exactly what Gaby and Guillaume want to avoid imHo.

P/C Exhibition program of the Worlds 2016 is obviously different from their new SD but I decided to mention it as I see some connections between both, nothing more.

In any case and once again, Gabriella and Guillaume have their own vision.
They want to be themselves. To be more precise, I would even say they want to share on the ice who they are in real life and this is a key factor of their success. For example, if one section of the choreography is about sadness, they will never try to simulate some kind of fake sadness. They will work on themselves to dive into real sadness. Being able to do that is extremely hard as there's no ready made recipe. It's all about work on oneself. Some people will never be able to do that. Now, when one succeeds, the power and impact on the audience is tremendous, as we could see, for example, in Helsinki during their FD of the 2017 Worlds.
 
No real performer tries to simulate a fake emotion; every true performer tries to reach within themselves to find the emotion. This is one of the basics of performing, and certainly not unique to P/C.
 
No real performer tries to simulate a fake emotion; every true performer tries to reach within themselves to find the emotion. This is one of the basics of performing, and certainly not unique to P/C.

Not everyone is able to portray the emotions they feel convincingly though. That's why we're able to distinguish good and bad performers. :slink:
 
No real performer tries to simulate a fake emotion; every true performer tries to reach within themselves to find the emotion. This is one of the basics of performing, and certainly not unique to P/C.

Humm... It's far from being the "basics of performing" imHo.

Once again, it's all about working on oneself, being true with oneself. It's not a technical challenge, it's a pure human challenge. In ice dance, it also requires a lot of work with your partner and vice versa. Some couples are able to do that up to a certain point, some are able to fully dive into that, some will never reach this ultimate level of chemistry. It's what it is. In Gadbois, Catherine Pinard helps (I won't use the word "teach" on purpose) couples or individual skaters to find in themselves the capability to pass on their feelings and emotions on the audience. Sometimes it works fine, sometimes, it works extremely well, sometimes, it's a complete stalemate.

Furthermore, in ice dance, there are so many other constraints, the physical efforts, the choreography, the technical elements, unexpected issues (if any). It's a tricky challenge as one has to simultaneously control the situation while diving into various kinds of emotions.

You say it's not unique to P/C. Why not. Now, as long as this thread is dedicated to P/C, it's clear to me that they really excel in this. I don't know if you had the chance to attend the Worlds in Helsinki or in Boston or in Shanghai but the reaction of the audience to P/C free dances is just amazing and tells a lot. P/C free dances are masterpieces whose beauty is overwhelming impossible to describe.
 
Moulin Rouge was based on the opera La Boheme; and they are both about garret dwelling French artists who placed artistic merit and truth and beauty above the superficially meritorious. Just saying, y'know.
 
Can someone tell me what their programs are? I've been out of the loop.

They haven't announced their music choices yet, but we'll find out next week during the Masters. Their SD is apparently not typical Latin music. As for the FD, they're using Moonlight Sonata, although it hasn't been confirmed by Gaby and Guillaume themselves (but we now know for sure because Dave Lease's decided to be a prick and leaked it yesterday).
 
(but we now know for sure because Dave Lease's decided to be a prick and leaked it yesterday).

where did he say that?
I just saw that he had already said that the best short dance of this season were Virtue/Moir, Gabi and Guillaume are less good in the pattern :confused: he probably saw nothing but...
 
where did he say that?
I just saw that he had already said that the best short dance of this season were Virtue/Moir, Gabi and Guillaume are less good in the pattern :confused: he probably saw nothing but...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson/status/911713459435384832

He's trying to have the upper hand again, and wants to show off because he has his "sources". He pissed me off so much. Yeah, I saw him already making judgment of how G&G's rhumba pattern is going to be weaker than V/M's. He's most likely still hurt that Gaby called his a** out on Twitter back in May.
 
where did he say that?
I just saw that he had already said that the best short dance of this season were Virtue/Moir, Gabi and Guillaume are less good in the pattern :confused: he probably saw nothing but...

By pattern, does he mean the pattern dance element? or Pattern Dance type step sequence? That's an irritating comment for him, to be fair. But The Skating Lesson does have a very obvious bias towards TESSA AND SCOTT; and against THE FRENCH (as they are called).
 
By pattern, does he mean the pattern dance element? or Pattern Dance type step sequence? That's an irritating comment for him, to be fair. But The Skating Lesson does have a very obvious bias towards TESSA AND SCOTT; and against THE FRENCH (as they are called).

Most likely the pattern dance element. https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson/status/911353592816300033

Yup, he's been sucking up to V/M ever since they've come back. He takes himself far too seriously and thinks he's a real journalist. :palmf:
 
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