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Im actually glad I/S left Kustarova. its true I/Z somehow manages to always messed up their routines but one thing is for sure they didn't thrive in that group even though they seem to have a good relationship with Kustarova.

If you consider everything, there are more pros than cons for I/S with this change.
 
Zhulin only started complaining about them once he'd been dragged in the press first.

True. But also true is Tarasova calling them lazy back in sept-oct 2010. As long as they were his pupils, he maybe thought it's better not to put them down pubicly.
 
Obviously YOU got me completely wrong ... :palmf: :noshake:
I didn't criticize their old SD per se, I didn't even talk about that; The SD last year was o.k. and judges quite liked it.
The meaning of my post is actually THIS (I hope this explanation will do it):
1) It CAN happen that their new "Latin" SD, which is NOT good at all (THAT corresponds to the statement of Zhulin - SD is nothing but levels (something B/S have issues with)), puts them far behind (like last years worlds) PER SE (without making mistakes by their own).
2) IF this happens, THEN they will have a lot of couples in front of them and THEN they need mistakes from most of those couples in the FD (like last year) in order to close the gap. But something like that doesn't happen this often and probably not two years in a row.
3) What I don't get: it's obvious the SD is very important (V/M won Worlds with that last year). So one should invest in coreography there as well.
4) The marks given by the judges are another story - it CAN happen that B/S will get high PCS no matter what they skate to. Then they will be definitely in contention (if they hit their Levels and key points). It happened quite often in the past. Some of their SD's had a good concept ("chess" and the SD in 2013), but Latin isn't their thing and giving them a coreography that doesn't even try to hide the problem DOES augment the probability that judges take notice of it (composition of the panel becomes important then ...). US and Canadian teams invest a lot of work in their programs (G/P - tango FD last year: a great amount of work was put in those tiny little details - S/B, on the contrary, didn't get into the thing to this degree). They are not save from misfits. But Russian Ice dance doesn't like IJS and has problems with coreography which are not adressed. They win medals at Grand Prix and at Euros, GPF and Worlds are another story. B/S managed to do it with their hard work and two good programs in 2013.
But in 2018 - a good FD, a bit copy and paste Montreal, & an SD far from ideal (at least at the moment - and it's only 4 1/2 months to go)??? Whith that and the fact that IJS isn't appreciated in Russia the success of the past is out of reach.

What are you saying? I adressed the certain paragraph from your post about WC 2017 which I bolded :palmf::rolleye:
What are all these IFs, THENs and CANs? Are we playing guessing game now?
 
How many partnerships should be broken and how many coaches should be left behind before some certain people finally see that Elena is not a saint? I'm really at loss of words. Some people also didn't wait for other side's interpretation of things rather than jumping to conclusions... If it's Elena who has spoken first, of course.
 
At least she stormed off to Gorshkov, not to a Caribbean vacation or something. Maybe in another week she will storm back to Kustarova. Ilinykh and Katsalapov are a lot of different things, but both seem to not be quitters....
And let's be honest, not a lot of people have a lot of nice things to say about Kustarova...

Well, Elena certainly did. She also called her 'family' and 'second mom' more than once. :shrug:
 
What are all these IFs, THENs and CANs? Are we playing guessing game now?

Didn't you realize already that some people have crystal balls that know all the future?

On another note, we should start a drinking game here - everytime someone mentions the IJS manuals we should have a shot of vodka for all the people thrown to the fire in this thread.
 
Oh, the drama in this thread 😂 Why don't we talk about Stepanova and Bukin's debut at Finlandia? I though they did well! Performance was great, skating was clean, and most importantly of all, it was a Latin program. 70.27 debut score! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
 
I don't know if it was posted but Bukins will skate on :
Music Free Skating / Free Dance as of season 2017/2018
Love Story Theme
Love's Dream by Rick Wakeman
Liebestraum No. 3 in A-Flat Minor, S. 541 by Franz Lizst, performed by Martin Jones
 
Oh, the drama in this thread 😂 Why don't we talk about Stepanova and Bukin's debut at Finlandia? I though they did well! Performance was great, skating was clean, and most importantly of all, it was a Latin program. 70.27 debut score! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

That`s a pretty big score considering that they apparently didn`t hit one single keypoint. Unfortunately, I can`t access the protocols so no idea how their levels were on the other elements.
 
Oh dear, that sounds like he doesn't have much faith in them and that they are on trial :(

I guess it is not lack of faith in their potential, but lack of faith whether they want it strongly enough to put lots of hard work in.
 
That`s a pretty big score considering that they apparently didn`t hit one single keypoint. Unfortunately, I can`t access the protocols so no idea how their levels were on the other elements.

Level 3 on both steps and level 4 for everything else. Mostly +2 GOE.
 
Oh, the drama in this thread 😂 Why don't we talk about Stepanova and Bukin's debut at Finlandia? I though they did well! Performance was great, skating was clean, and most importantly of all, it was a Latin program. 70.27 debut score! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Hopefully with this they will move to North America and be coached by dubreil for 2022.
 
Okay, I came here to say these two are amazing! Failed spin, they're very far from each other on the twizzles. But their skating! Just wow! Ice dance is always boring, all those average couples with slow and ugly skating, but not them! Just joy to watch. Now they are my favorite Russian team. Also I like those kids with very deep edges, they will compete in Italy, but anyway their skating is very far from Khudaberdieva/Nazarov.
 
I don't know if it was posted but Bukins will skate on :
Music Free Skating / Free Dance as of season 2017/2018
Love Story Theme
Love's Dream by Rick Wakeman
Liebestraum No. 3 in A-Flat Minor, S. 541 by Franz Lizst, performed by Martin Jones

Hopefully it doesn't look as snoozy as it reads.

What do you guys think? Bobs will remain number 1 or Steps has a chance to push through to the top?
 
Okay, I came here to say these two are amazing! Failed spin, they're very far from each other on the twizzles. But their skating! Just wow! Ice dance is always boring, all those average couples with slow and ugly skating, but not them! Just joy to watch. Now they are my favorite Russian team. Also I like those kids with very deep edges, they will compete in Italy, but anyway their skating is very far from Khudaberdieva/Nazarov.

I'm happy you say that, because I don't like them at all, she is overly dramatic and her reaction in K&C is just meah... It's of course just a subjective opinion. When it comes to the program, I didn't have enough patience to watch it until the end.
 
Hopefully it doesn't look as snoozy as it reads.

What do you guys think? Bobs will remain number 1 or Steps has a chance to push through to the top?

Bobs will remain no 1 this season, and I think it's the last one for them :(.
Bukins didn't even manage to hit one single key point, so... they still have work to do :D.
 
I'm happy you say that, because I don't like them at all, she is overly dramatic and her reaction in K&C is just meah... It's of course just a subjective opinion. When it comes to the program, I didn't have enough patience to watch it until the end.

I really liked the Greens.
 
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