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I'm watching it again and again, and this is like V/M's SD last year, a gem. Choreography, little details hitting the lyrics, and so on. That song has a meaning on them too. Thank you Mister Christopher Dean!
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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Yes, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR2DxTBkk6s
It is better, they are right on the music and with polishing it should hit all the right notes. The lift should be reviewed though, she doesn't hold the position long enough to be as impactful as their previous lifts. Or maybe she could hit another position because from the judges' point of view it's not as great as from the audience.
It is better, they are right on the music and with polishing it should hit all the right notes. The lift should be reviewed though, she doesn't hold the position long enough to be as impactful as their previous lifts. Or maybe she could hit another position because from the judges' point of view it's not as great as from the audience.
Thank you for the link. It really looks much better and to the music in this video. Well, I like this short dance more and more. The boy is in love with her body, and she is dreaming of love till 70. This is life/
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Watching all those SDs, I'm trying to get a sense of what differentiate the teams in the pattern but I have hard time to understand what I should be looking for. I watched those instructional videos but this pattern is difficult for me. I can't pinpoint why some teams fail at it and why some are nailing it. Can someone dumb it down for me ? At the feet level what should I be looking for ? It doesn't help they have to skate it for such a short time IMO, I don't have time to make up my mind it's over. One full rink tour would be much better to compare teams.
i don't know if these help: http://www.isu.org/inside-single-pa...ook-for-officials-pattern-dances-2017-18/file
Plus page six of this http://www.isu.org/inside-single-pa...unications-fs/568-isu-communication-2076/file
plus page 31 of this https://www.usfigureskating.org/Content/All_CD_Sections_SOVs.pdf
Basically, what should be skated is like a series of programming code of edges and turns etc held for the beats also marked. Three key points are then checked- that the woman followed the code for one section, that the man followed the code for the same section, that they both followed the code for another section. The code should be made clear through deep edges, clean turns and a free foot placed correctly (in terms of the rhumba held out at least two blade widths from the skating foot for one particular section). The level for the set pattern is then tied in to whether the three sections of code were followed clearly, and also that there were no interruptions. Page six of the second document gives the code, and page 31 of the third draws it out on the ice with the beats.
If you get all three key points you get YYY, if you get none you get NNN on the protocol. If the edges and turns were met but there was a timing issue you get a T rather than a Y or an N. See protocol from yesterday http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1718/CSFIN2017/CSFIN2017_IceDance_SD_Scores.pdf
If you don't want to take on board the code or be that specific. I would look for the following
a, it looks like a rhumba pattern
b, the turns are smooth
c, there is a lot of lean to the foot throughout, meaning a deep edge.
d, the pattern makes sense in terms of the music, meaning the edges are being appropriately held.
e, the free foot is a good distance from the skating foot for the choctaws at some point when it is free (it doesn't have to be completely held)
f, the same hold is maintained throughout the rhumba.
I think this might for example be a clear example of why the third key point was missed in one case https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8c4_IeoVrU
Laurence and Nikolaj got the first two individual key point for the choctaws but did not get the third key point, which is for the part post-choctaws. If you watch there is a little jump at 2:17. I suspect that may well be the reason the third key point was lost??? If anyone more expert can weigh in on that, that would be appreciated! But compare it to Scott and Tessa's after 1:45 and you can see how there is no little jump here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCVxakYhD-Q&t=122s. I can't link in G and G's section of the set pattern here because their feet are obscured.
Correction: I've gone through the key points and the steps required, the third key point is a check made of the steps they both make after the crossing the long axis. The first two key points are the two choctaws made after crossing the short axis. The turn where Laurence and Nikolaj do the little jump is the edge after the last of those for the first two key points. The third key point resumes on the stroke that then takes them over the long axis, and includes a double change of edge on one foot, which seems the point of the key point, and the likely source of their failure on that key point.
EDIT: this is also a good one to look at- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVXP_Am4TF4. Because the couple hit all three key points but got a negative GOE. So in terms of what the blades are doing with the ice through the key points is spot on, even though from the blade up it doesn't look that good.
In the meantime of waiting for the FD competition to begin, there's a part of the press conference after yesterday's SD. 
https://www.facebook.com/gabriellapapadakisguillaumecizeron/videos/1181206395313339/
https://www.facebook.com/gabriellapapadakisguillaumecizeron/videos/1181206395313339/
And again this nice Polish dancer has a free stream. https://www.facebook.com/JJonice/?h...N0ccSDnUQmECQZExMtwqWWBBW3mYzcZEoL9eQSEZsURdI
And on youtube with Russian comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc6GAYyeOAI
And on youtube with Russian comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc6GAYyeOAI
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Well, watching them is cleansing for the soul no matter what happens! And better a fall now than at later competitions, haha...fingers crossed anyway to make sure I don't jinx them!
Haha, my thoughts exactly, now that it's out of their system, hopefully no more mistakes. Loved the reaction from the audience on the stationary lift, it tells you how well it must go with the music.
Despite the fall, it was still gorgeous. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw what happened, but the whole competition was "cursed" today, falls, wonky elements. They got a standing ovation, though, the audience must have been spellbound. I'm curious to see the protocols, they got hammered on TES it seems.
Is it bad that my mind immediately went to this? https://youtu.be/0tM-2VM_j9w?t=3m37s
Is it bad that my mind immediately went to this?
https://youtu.be/0tM-2VM_j9w?t=3m37s
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I hope that freak fall won't cause Guillaume to start messing up like last season. It's so strange to see him falter, but I guess they gave him SO MUCH to do this time around (seriously, he's dropping and skipping and lunging all over the place) -- it was bound to happen at some point. Overall, I think they lagged behind the music a little bit in the presto section this time around, but the program is 10x better when filmed up close so I didn't mind . The opening is soooo captivating that the reprise feels a little lackluster in comparison... I wonder what they can do to make them match better.
. The opening is soooo captivating that the reprise feels a little lackluster in comparison... I wonder what they can do to make them match better.Protocols: http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1718/CSFIN2017/CSFIN2017_IceDance_FD_Scores.pdf
The diagonal stsq on level 2 with negative GOE was the Achilles' heel of their FD, unfortunately. The circular stsq also got level 3.
The diagonal stsq on level 2 with negative GOE was the Achilles' heel of their FD, unfortunately. The circular stsq also got level 3.
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If you ignore the DiSt these are some very manageable GOEs. It seems the judges are not finding the same issues with their curved lift as the youtube commenters. :handw:
It was fantastic. except for the fall obvs. They dropped at least nine marks for that fall, if they'd have gotten level 4 for for the diagonal step otherwise. They got 11.43 for the diagonal step at worlds and 3. 60 here, plus a deduction, and would have got at least 0.6 more on the pcs I reckon, and a little more on the GOE for the elements post fall. So that is about 9.5 marks deduction for that fall. If you see the fall as a freak occurrence, then that makes this overall an incredible skate. I'm not clear on the rule ( as per a recent discussion) but I believe a failure on a double twizzle automatically drops you to a level two (and for some reason they were doing a triple twizzle), so the diagonal step might have been a level 3 or a 4. If a level 3, they dropped about 7.5 marks in total (taken from Europeans 2017) That would still be a very high mark for the first skate of the season in international competition.
Either way, that was an unbelievably good skate (with a fall)
The programme is so much better for the front; and Gabby just draws you in to the emotion of the piece; and Guillaume is just an amazing dancer. They are just brilliant.
Either way, that was an unbelievably good skate (with a fall)
The programme is so much better for the front; and Gabby just draws you in to the emotion of the piece; and Guillaume is just an amazing dancer. They are just brilliant.
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They lost at least 7.25 points there (compared to a well executed L3), if not 8.75-9 points (since they were able to get L4 at the French Masters). So realistically speaking, without that fall, the program would've scored in the 117-119 range easily, which is terrific for a first outing outside a national competition and better than Tessa&Scott in SkateCanada (115.8).
I think it's likely they would have been up there with their best score on this if they'd got level 4 on that step sequence and not fall ( I don't know if you have taken added back on the 1.00 deduction for the fall?) The judges were going for really high GOE for all elements except the circa step which was a little bit under up until the fall. Also, they scored 23 9.75s on the pcs. Judges now aren't supposed to give 10s for a routine with a major mistake, as this was. (presumably after another couple had major mistake at worlds and still got three tens from the Ukrainian judge). So that's a heck of a lot of the top score they can be given by the judges at this event. A heck of a lot.
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