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I think Karne is saying that Nathan is only the second among CURRENT US Men to win a GP event. Ever. In any season.
I recall Max winning one, and no other current US man. I think she's correct.
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I think Karne is saying that Nathan is only the second among CURRENT US Men to win a GP event. Ever. In any season.
I recall Max winning one, and no other current US man. I think she's correct.
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Max won gold at 2015 Skate America
.Nathan today joined Max in what had been a one-member "club" of currently competing U.S. men who have won a GP.
(Vincent, Jason, and Adam have other worthy accomplishments to their names, of course. But not GP gold.)
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That PCS he received was beyond ridiculous. No way can ANYONE do a program that well when you fall that many times.
Home ice benefits. It's typical. I expect similar for Nathan at Skate America.
I'm happy Nathan won his event without resulting in a bunch of cries of "OVERSCORED". Winning the Russian GP event is tough for North Americans.
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Ohhhhhhhh
You know what the best part of Max's win was......His Cute Wave......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNsrEHL5KM0which is really a statement! Nathan Boi did it in Russia!!!
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Nathan has thrown down the gauntlet that he can win the OGM and with all these quads it is apparent that Jason Brown and skaters like Patrick Chan are like the dodo bird - kind of extinct. Hanyu is following his plan he will get stronger and stronger and than take that gold medal when it counts. As has been said Nathan is the only one guaranteed an olympic spot. The USFS will find a way to get him to the olympics because he has potential to win gold or at least a medal. I wonder if Vincent, Max and or Adam skate well with quads if they will drop the golden boy Jason Brown. He does seem to be the chosen one though Chen is the it boy.
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Does “Jason is the golden boy” or “the chosen one” automatically come up when you post? Because I’ve lost count of how many times you’ve posted it.
And I shouldn’t take the bait, but what the heck: Jason gets high PCS from domestic *and* international judges because he earns it. And, if he continues to earn it, as well as high GOE for technical elements he does perform, he will probably place highly enough to be selected for the Oly team. End of story. He is not USFS “unearned” chosen one. If he was, I’d breathe a lot easier....
Of course, he is golden to me because of his presence on the ice, his spins, his choreo, his grit and perseverance in coming back from two major injuries, his commitment to his craft, and his never say die attitude.
But that’s not the point...
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Congrats to Nathan, and if I ever see Phil Hersh on the street I am going to smack him silly for being so negative about him. Main Man needs a flash costume for the free skate, though.
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Wait, what? I must have missed something - doesn't Phil Hersh LOOOOOVE Nathan?
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He said Nathan was unremarkable in the Challenger series ...
http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...ener-a-look-at-stumbles-struggles-and-success
http://www.globetrottingbyphilipher...ener-a-look-at-stumbles-struggles-and-success
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I hope you will read the full context of what Phil said in his article. It is an unfair oversimplication to say only that Phil called Nathan unremarkable in SLC. Phil's nuance was quite different.
This GS thread has discussion of the article.
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I just thought it was pretty early in the season for that kind of talk, especially since Nathan won the event. It was literally his first competition of the season. There is so much talk about athletes pacing themselves to peak at the Olympics, and so much more skating to come before making judgments.
Phil doesn't do nuance. I appreciate his passion for the sport and his tell it like it is style but he tends to make over broad arguments which lack nuance. He was basically comparing early season Nathan to late season Nathan. His point is correct in the sense that no Nathan is not landing his jumps like he did at his peak last season but it's a terrible argument. Of course he's not going to look as impressive right now as he did at Nationals. So great for Phil that he has strong opinions but he makes elementary rhetorical mistakes often.
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The early (pre-GPs) timeframe for Phil's article is exactly one of the reasons that his comments about Nathan did not strike me as negative to any meaningful extent.
After making favorable mention of Nathan's quad loop, Phil made clear that his usage of "unremarkable" otherwise re SLC and Japan Open was in comparison to the standard that Nathan set last season.
Will leave it there. I had my say in the other thread. (ETA: OK, I lied
. I have more to say. See below.)I don't think Phil is a Nathan "hater," I just think it's an asinine comparison. It is almost a truism that a skater will not start a season in the same shape they were during the peak of the previous season. He's just telling us the sky is blue and masking it as a novel observation. He often tends to do that: he conflates crankiness with depth of analysis.
ETA: If one is giving an early season report they should assume that we know about early season rust. For someone who was not at the event and is reading Phil, his report is not that helpful.
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I do not see any rhetorical mistake from Phil.
I think Phil's point was: SLC and Japan Open had not shown how else (other than the quad loop) Nathan is capable of moving forward this season -- and even so, Nathan is light years ahead of other U.S. men.
No one is watching the Japan Open to find out what Nathan is capable of at full strength. They want to know about the programs and if they make a strong impression, etc. I'm calling out Phil on not doing his job well. I think that's completely fair.
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It is your opinion.
And my opinion
is that your opinion is unfair.The comments from Phil were not from an event report. They were in a discussion of "ten random observations" from him. Nothing more, nothing less.
It is your opinion.
And my opinion
I'm totally willing to concede that I may have high standards. Being able to make properly defined comparisons (a to a not a to b) is key to supporting an argument and Phil often misses the mark. Was the choreography interesting Phil? Is Nathan showing improvement in the areas of his performance that held him back against the top men last season? Those are the kinds of questions I want to see answered by a sports journalist in an early season report. I'm very forgiving with off the cuff commentary but when you write something down for work you should consider it carefully.
Well just filled out the spreadsheet. And to state the obvious, Nathan has widened his gap on the rest of the U.S. men's field with his win at Rostelecom Cup and, unfortunately, Grant did not make more of a case to be a contender for one of the Olympic spots -- hoping he'll do better in his second event!
Next up: Jason Brown at Skate Canada next weekend.
Next up: Jason Brown at Skate Canada next weekend.
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