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He seemed nervous about his first 4T attempt but to be honest I wouldn't be worried about Deniss this early in the season. I think both him and Stephane are doing things looking forward to the near future rather than focusing on immediate results in the present. And with Deniss being in the middle of a growth spurt I'm glad they're planning things out instead of rushing :) (by the way, the rest of the elements look so on point it's hard to believe he's had to relearn almost everything now that he's much taller than last year; having so much control over a changing body talks wonders about him and his coach).

Personally I'm in love with his SP this season :pray:. I can't stop watching it. Even his performance in Lombardia -which wasn't perfect- is beyond beautiful to me. And personally, I don't find the first and second parts of his FP to be a problem for him; yes they're slow, but I think they're trying to show how Deniss is able to pull a great performance under all kind of rythms and paces, because he has the skating skills to do so. I think people tend to associate him with his showman side way too much (I understand why though, being the ray of sunshine he is!). But he's an artist before a showman, so I'm happy that they're broading his repertoire like this. A few tweaks to make things flow more naturally between the first two parts and the last one would be appreciated though.

icetug said:
(comment in Russian TV: "His word mustn't be translated")
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I actually laughed so much! Stephane's "Ok" while Deniss being fully honest "s**t!" :laugh:
I'm sure this won't affect Deniss too much. If anything, it'll probably fuel his motivation even more.

By the way, is anyone able to translate the russian commentary here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmhbZo3U8iw&feature=youtu.be
I'm curious to know what they (especially TAT) thought about his SP.
 
FourSeasons said:
By the way, is anyone able to translate the russian commentary here?
I'm curious to know what they (especially TAT) thought about his SP.
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Thanks God I found another stream with less talkative commentator :laugh: . I would kill both men, who were endlessly talking while Deniss was skating :devil:
TAT was very friendly towards Deniss, especially as a student of Stephane. She said: "Beautifull program, he did everything what was planned" [then sth about axel? what I don't understand] "He also hasn't a quad in the short program. Of course we all love Lambiel", then Maxim said: "It's the most flawless step sequence, I suppose", TAT: "Yes, it is very musical, but it [?...], I am afraid. I must tell him to move it to the centre. Also the drawing of the program, Maxim, there is nothing on the right side", Maxim: "He jumped a flip on the right side", TAT: "But it is striking. If it is in the centre, it would be perfect", Maxim: "But if we were sitting on the left...", TAT: "No, the step sequence should be in the centre, to be seen from every side, it's what I think. [Slow-motion recap finishes] So we saw all elements better, they have air, because he has every elements underlined, on good level. And we like Lambiel and we will like every his students". And then she told about Stephane's lessons with Kolyada, then Maxim mentioned Stephane's "lucky coat" ("I remeber that he wore it on every competition"), so TAT said her father had had also a lucky coat he had worn for eighteen years, etc. After seeing scores, TAT said "So those who jumped quads today lost". "Till now", Maxim added.
OK, I am worn up now like the TAT dad's coat :laugh:. The commentary is rather chaotic and I had Russian lessons many years ago. Hope somebody can translate it more accurate :)
 
FourSeasons said:
He seemed nervous about his first 4T attempt but to be honest I wouldn't be worried about Deniss this early in the season. I think both him and Stephane are doing things looking forward to the near future rather than focusing on immediate results in the present. And with Deniss being in the middle of a growth spurt I'm glad they're planning things out instead of rushing :) (by the way, the rest of the elements look so on point it's hard to believe he's had to relearn almost everything now that he's much taller than last year; having so much control over a changing body talks wonders about him and his coach).

Personally I'm in love with his SP this season :pray:. I can't stop watching it. Even his performance in Lombardia -which wasn't perfect- is beyond beautiful to me. And personally, I don't find the first and second parts of his FP to be a problem for him; yes they're slow, but I think they're trying to show how Deniss is able to pull a great performance under all kind of rythms and paces, because he has the skating skills to do so. I think people tend to associate him with his showman side way too much (I understand why though, being the ray of sunshine he is!). But he's an artist before a showman, so I'm happy that they're broading his repertoire like this. A few tweaks to make things flow more naturally between the first two parts and the last one would be appreciated though.



I actually laughed so much! Stephane's "Ok" while Deniss being fully honest "s**t!" :laugh:
I'm sure this won't affect Deniss too much. If anything, it'll probably fuel his motivation even more.

By the way, is anyone able to translate the russian commentary here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmhbZo3U8iw&feature=youtu.be
I'm curious to know what they (especially TAT) thought about his SP.
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I totally agree with you. I think they were prepared and Deniss had gotten himself ready in case things didn't turn out the way he hoped in the beginning. Although when he stepped on the ice all he could think was like "4T4T4T4T4T4T..." and he fell on the second 3A which came almost immediately after the 4T (UR+double footed) because he must have been analysing the execution and the concentration was off. After that he switched himself on and moved onto do his business. I am really grateful to Stephane that he is taking the correct approach concerning the quads, I hope they will continue to take the slow but sure, solid approach as the season progresses and tension increases, that's the best way to build the confidence for Deniss.
My knowledge of Russian is unfortunately bare minimum, but I did get the drift Tarasova's comments were positive. Here is another version with Julia Lipnitskaya (Love the way she wouldn't start talking until he finished skating). I am waiting for my Russian friend to give me a detailed explanation on her comments, but another friend gave me a bit of input --- she, as someone who trained alongside with him for some months in Sochi two years ago, she says Deniss is extremely hard working and dedicated, he used to remain on the rink long after everyone else has gone home, trying to perfect the elements he was working on. She also says she is a big fan of Deniss and currently the only one whom she goes crazy over :luv17:
 
MGstyle said:
It was his first ever attempt at 4T and he was clearly distracted, and it affected the entire first half and became a bit of a disaster. But I saw the positive in the Sway section, he really pulled himself together and managed to save what could have been saved, when the camera showed his facial expression I could see he maintained the high level of spirit and even sang along, and demonstrated his usual showmanship. Which is to me very significant, as it is so easy to get demoralized by such a bad start and wallow in it for the rest of the performance. It is a sure sign that he has the mentality of a champion.

Anyway, I am sure his ultimate goal is the 2022 Games. So IMO it is better not to rush and push too much on quads, especially with the voices about the reform of the scoring system after this season. It is too bad this doesn't get the equal or more value to a 4Lz combination, to me it is worth more than that :party2:
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:agree: These skills are so undervalued, especially since PCS has a cap and TES doesn’t. The skating skills and interpretation are actually more difficult to acquire than the jumps.

silverfoxes said:
Team Handsome at the closing banquet:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BakAyONj7xE/?tagged=denissvasiljevs

It's true, he really doesn't need to rush the quads since he doesn't have to compete with any fellow countrymen for a spot at the big championships. Of course, it's better to get them as soon as possible since it seems all the more difficult for an older skater (see: Jason). But health first. We want him to be around as long as possible, especially since he loves skating and performing so much. Slow and steady wins the race.
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Team Handsome, indeed! :yes: Not only should Deniss go slow and steady, but he should also do what makes him fulfilled as a skater. The more fulfilled he feels, the better he will be able to skate. I really appreciate skaters who are able to sustain long careers, and fingers crossed that Deniss will be one of them!!!

FourSeasons said:
Personally I'm in love with his SP this season :pray:. I can't stop watching it. Even his performance in Lombardia -which wasn't perfect- is beyond beautiful to me. And personally, I don't find the first and second parts of his FP to be a problem for him; yes they're slow, but I think they're trying to show how Deniss is able to pull a great performance under all kind of rythms and paces, because he has the skating skills to do so. I think people tend to associate him with his showman side way too much (I understand why though, being the ray of sunshine he is!). But he's an artist before a showman, so I'm happy that they're broading his repertoire like this. A few tweaks to make things flow more naturally between the first two parts and the last one would be appreciated though.
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I love his SP too! It’s SO GORGEOUS!!! The LP I haven’t warmed up to yet, but I appreciate your thoughts. Your explanation makes a lot of sense.

MGstyle said:
Stephane at times looks more like a doting mum rather than a coach :luv17::love::luv17:
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What precious images! Thanks for bringing them here! :)
 
Thank you for you guys' translation snippets! As I don't speak Russian at all, I'm really grateful. Happy to know that Tarasova and other commentators say some good words about Deniss. I'm curious about what Yulia says.

I think Deniss is the kind of performer that can't perform the best if he's not loving the program enough to be immersed into it. A bit disappointed about his FS music too, I just hope he will do the best out of it :(
 
iorii said:
I'm curious about what Yulia says.

I think Deniss is the kind of performer that can't perform the best if he's not loving the program enough to be immersed into it. A bit disappointed about his FS music too, I just hope he will do the best out of it :(
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Finally heard from my Russian friend (she is not a crazy skating fan like me, just shows a mild interest probably just to humour me :o:) and this is the summary she gave me.

"Julia told that there is a stark contrast between the start of the skate program and the end, he started in a "heavy" way and finished much better and his program started to come alive towards the end. She told it will be hard for him to compete at this stage, he has problems with quadruples and axels. She told she sees clearly the "handwriting" of the coach Stephane in Deniss programs, poses and gestures clearly reminiscent of Stephane. She told it was better for Deniss to do clear triple jump instead of quadruple. According to her Deniss' skate lacked smoothness in the beginning and it is seen how he forced his rib during triple axel. She added that Deniss is a hardworking and capable athlete. Working non stop on the ice.
And both Julia and the commentator told there is no need to comment when they show that face of Stephane during Deniss score announcement"

About the music, (of course at this stage it's too late but...) I think the Free and Short should have been the other way around, Tosca for FS and Sway for the Short, perhaps omitting the second song, and dividing the slow, moody part and the upbeat section about 50%-50%, he could have used the catchy Sway section to build up the program the way Stephane did with the William Tell SP with his step sequence (or Takahashi's Mambo SP to a similar extent). It is a pity that the program leaves us somewhat dissatisfied, it ends while it seems to be picking up.
 
Deniss is scheduled for Villars on Ice: December 28th 2017 (Theme: Lion King) and
Music on Ice: January 5th & 6th 2018 in Bellizona. I wonder if he will do Art on Ice or Christmas on Ice this year as well? I'm always so excited to have more chances to see him skate!

As for programs, I am still reserving judgement on the long, but I currently love the short. I've had the music stuck in my head for days, which I didn't think could happen with opera, but apparently if I rewatch Deniss enough...

I'm not too worried about Deniss' jumps - apparently he's not landing rotated quads at home either, so the goal here must have been to get that 'when will he try a quad' expectation out of the way. So long as Deniss doesn't let a fall or a mistake distract him from the second half and his expression, I think he'll do just fine! And his PB PCS in the FS proves it!
 
At Absolute Skating it is possible to read Golinsky's interview with Stephane (part 2). It concerns also Deniss and quads. Just a little piece:
The last question. I see quad in the planned content for tomorrow. Was it your plan to start with it here? Why not in smaller competition?
- We wanted to go to Lombardia with quad, but during the six minutes warm up I told him: "Do triple." But tomorrow, I hope, he will go for it. He needs to jump in the water. Right now he is on the point where he should be able to land it, he just has to really want it.

- Out of 10 how many does he succeed in practice?
- He doesn't succeed it yet.

- What about quad Salchow?
- Both, quad toe and quad Salchow, they are in the same shape. They are in the shape where he could land it but he doesn't hold it to land. It's just a question of trusting the landing. But the shape of the jump is there.


Read more: http://absoluteskating.proboards.com/post/224635#ixzz4wvEPoIxX

It seems that the problem is more psychological than physical. The only question is whether it is easy to deal with and whether Stephane has enough time for him. It turns out that Stephane has five more students. Maybe it is not so, but to my mind it's a lot. Of course, I would like Stephane to coach only my beloved Deniss, but it is not possible. I really understand it. But I'm not sure Stephane knows his limit. Sometimes we think we can manage more than we can. Anyway, if Deniss copes with it, everything will be O.K. And he will!!
 
AgnesR said:
At Absolute Skating it is possible to read Golinsky's interview with Stephane (part 2). It concerns also Deniss and quads. Just a little piece:
The last question. I see quad in the planned content for tomorrow. Was it your plan to start with it here? Why not in smaller competition?
- We wanted to go to Lombardia with quad, but during the six minutes warm up I told him: "Do triple." But tomorrow, I hope, he will go for it. He needs to jump in the water. Right now he is on the point where he should be able to land it, he just has to really want it.

- Out of 10 how many does he succeed in practice?
- He doesn't succeed it yet.

- What about quad Salchow?
- Both, quad toe and quad Salchow, they are in the same shape. They are in the shape where he could land it but he doesn't hold it to land. It's just a question of trusting the landing. But the shape of the jump is there.


Read more: http://absoluteskating.proboards.com/post/224635#ixzz4wvEPoIxX

It seems that the problem is more psychological than physical. The only question is whether it is easy to deal with and whether Stephane has enough time for him. It turns out that Stephane has five more students. Maybe it is not so, but to my mind it's a lot. Of course, I would like Stephane to coach only my beloved Deniss, but it is not possible. I really understand it. But I'm not sure Stephane knows his limit. Sometimes we think we can manage more than we can. Anyway, if Deniss copes with it, everything will be O.K. And he will!!
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It looked like Deniss had a similar issue in the 4T as he did in the 3F in the SP at Lombardia. Like he needs to trust the rotation all the way to the end, and fall if necessary, rather than pull out early.

It's a great interview with Stéphane!
 
AgnesR said:
It seems that the problem is more psychological than physical. The only question is whether it is easy to deal with and whether Stephane has enough time for him. It turns out that Stephane has five more students. Maybe it is not so, but to my mind it's a lot. Of course, I would like Stephane to coach only my beloved Deniss, but it is not possible. I really understand it. But I'm not sure Stephane knows his limit. Sometimes we think we can manage more than we can. Anyway, if Deniss copes with it, everything will be O.K. And he will!!
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Stephane had two (junior) students before Deniss and we knew about Koshiro and Diana, so only the sixth student is a surprise :)
Rob seemed to be really good substitute coach for Noemie and Koshiro in Gdansk - what means that Stephane has substantial help in Champery. And he ensured twice that he knows his limits. I believe him.
Having a coach just for himself (on a senior level) was a privilege Deniss enjoyed for almost a year and he made use of it. Apparently it was also a time Stephane was checking his capabilities and I am not surprised that he decided to take more students.
From Deniss' point of view: he got two friends on icerink he can compete with on a daily basis. Also in a kitchen :laugh:

But I am a little bit alarmed by words "He doesn't succeed it yet" about quads. Didn't we see fully rotated and succesfully landed 4T some time ago?

Last year we saw how much Deniss improved his performances between Rostelecom Cup and NHK. This season he already made remarkable improvements in both his programs. If this is not physical problem anymore, I believe that Osaka will encourage him to land no sooner that after a fourth rotation :)
 
icetug said:
But I am a little bit alarmed by words "He doesn't succeed it yet" about quads. Didn't we see fully rotated and succesfully landed 4T some time ago?

Last year we saw how much Deniss improved his performances between Rostelecom Cup and NHK. This season he already made remarkable improvements in both his programs. If this is not physical problem anymore, I believe that Osaka will encourage him to land no sooner that after a fourth rotation :)
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Hmmm. Going by his ISU bio he has grown another 3 or 4 cm since last year so he may be adjusting to that. It's also possible that Stephane might be referring to putting the quad in his practice runthroughs. Perhaps that gala performance was one of very few times he has landed it, and the landing was not ideal, so talking about a success rate is premature right now.

However I am sure he can do it. The season began not long ago and Deniss always improves as the season goes on. Of all his attempts in practice, the longer it went on the better the rotations got - the last one he tried was UR instead of a downgrade according to Jackie. Brendan Kerry is a little bit taller than Deniss and has 4T and 4S, so height should not be too much of a problem. We have seen him do it. It will come in time. :)
 
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