Jason Brown
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Yup, you’re reading it right. But let’s hope Yuzuru can skate.
Nice pic of Jason and Kori:
https://instagram.com/p/BbSyMIsAUhq/
Nice pic of Jason and Kori:
https://instagram.com/p/BbSyMIsAUhq/
Yep. But it was a big improvement from NHK last year. The impact of Yuzu W/Ding probably shouldn't be underestimated. I think it's a strange position for Jason to be in not having either Patrick or Yuzu there. Anyway, he survived the SP. Hoping for better in the FS.
ETA: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/gpjpn2016/gpjpn2016_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
The main loss of points was on the BV side. He lost 2.7 on the combo and .5 on the spin, so 3.2 in total. But compared to Skate Canada, he got the level 4 on the camel (silly level 3 mistake at SC). He got less +GOE compared to Skate Canada (7.38 vs. 5.72, so 1.66 loss there). And .29 lower in PCS. The score kinda makes sense if you look at it this way, he actually gave away a lot.
The main question of course is whether that program merits even 44 PCS. Were the errors such that it impacted the performance/or the overall feel of the program? I think he was a bit reserved, so I'd make the case for one or two points down, maybe even 3 if you were feeling stingy, but seems people think he should be docked 5-10 points.. and hit under 80.
ETA 2: Here's a photo of the "Get Well Soon" message he did for Yuzu. Super sweet. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DORJa5lWkAAYEOG.jpg
ETA 3: And guess when Jason's skating in the free skate?
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gpjpn2017/data0105.htm
ETA: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/gpjpn2016/gpjpn2016_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
The main loss of points was on the BV side. He lost 2.7 on the combo and .5 on the spin, so 3.2 in total. But compared to Skate Canada, he got the level 4 on the camel (silly level 3 mistake at SC). He got less +GOE compared to Skate Canada (7.38 vs. 5.72, so 1.66 loss there). And .29 lower in PCS. The score kinda makes sense if you look at it this way, he actually gave away a lot.
The main question of course is whether that program merits even 44 PCS. Were the errors such that it impacted the performance/or the overall feel of the program? I think he was a bit reserved, so I'd make the case for one or two points down, maybe even 3 if you were feeling stingy, but seems people think he should be docked 5-10 points.. and hit under 80.
ETA 2: Here's a photo of the "Get Well Soon" message he did for Yuzu. Super sweet. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DORJa5lWkAAYEOG.jpg
ETA 3: And guess when Jason's skating in the free skate?
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gpjpn2017/data0105.htm
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He ought to make his complete name to "Jason bring-up-the-rear Brown" 
I fear the thought of a gold medal here AND the ever increasing chance to GPF messed up his nerves. 
He just needs to clear his mind and go out without thinking too much tomorrow.
Anyway the get well card for Yuzu was such a typical Jason AWWWW moment, can he get any more adorable? Whatever he does, his heart always gets a gold medal! :luv17:
I fear the thought of a gold medal here AND the ever increasing chance to GPF messed up his nerves. He just needs to clear his mind and go out without thinking too much tomorrow.Anyway the get well card for Yuzu was such a typical Jason AWWWW moment, can he get any more adorable? Whatever he does, his heart always gets a gold medal! :luv17:
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Jason missed the chance to go to GPF last year, I’m pretty sure he learned from it. 
FP will be interesting to watch for sure.
Thank you Jason for your little message to Yuzu. Not surprising from him and so sweet lol!
FP will be interesting to watch for sure.Thank you Jason for your little message to Yuzu. Not surprising from him and so sweet lol!
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Jason! Even though he stumbled with his jumps, his skate was just gorgeous and matured and so amusing! I had tears. To see him really makes me happy. He's sunshine. I really wish his final.
I have to share the information about his message to yuzu.
He bothered to get back to his hotel after morning practice and wrote it. He poured his pray for quick recovery into it. He had wanted to do something special since he knew how it was tough because of own experience of waist injury.
http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASKCB6X9HKCBUTQP03T.html
I have to share the information about his message to yuzu.
He bothered to get back to his hotel after morning practice and wrote it. He poured his pray for quick recovery into it. He had wanted to do something special since he knew how it was tough because of own experience of waist injury.
http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASKCB6X9HKCBUTQP03T.html
Thanks for sharing that hamaguri!
Also, the SP photo attached to that story is really nice! http://www.asahi.com/articles/photo/AS20171110004958.html
ETA: Jason's comments also confirmed my belief that Yuzu's W/D did impact him and his skate. Also, it probably triggered his memory of how his injury affected his skate at NHK last year. I hope he can put all that behind him and skate a great FS. He has to remember that he is healthy and well-trained!
Also, the SP photo attached to that story is really nice! http://www.asahi.com/articles/photo/AS20171110004958.html
ETA: Jason's comments also confirmed my belief that Yuzu's W/D did impact him and his skate. Also, it probably triggered his memory of how his injury affected his skate at NHK last year. I hope he can put all that behind him and skate a great FS. He has to remember that he is healthy and well-trained!
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Yep. But it was a big improvement from NHK last year. The impact of Yuzu W/Ding probably shouldn't be underestimated. I think it's a strange position for Jason to be in not having either Patrick or Yuzu there. Anyway, he survived the SP. Hoping for better in the FS.
ETA: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/gpjpn2016/gpjpn2016_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
The main loss of points was on the BV side. He lost 2.7 on the combo and .5 on the spin, so 3.2 in total. But compared to Skate Canada, he got the level 4 on the camel (silly level 3 mistake at SC). He got less +GOE compared to Skate Canada (7.38 vs. 5.72, so 1.66 loss there). And .29 lower in PCS. The score kinda makes sense if you look at it this way, he actually gave away a lot.
The main question of course is whether that program merits even 44 PCS. Were the errors such that it impacted the performance/or the overall feel of the program? I think he was a bit reserved, so I'd make the case for one or two points down, maybe even 3 if you were feeling stingy, but seems people think he should be docked 5-10 points.. and hit under 80.
ETA 2: Here's a photo of the "Get Well Soon" message he did for Yuzu. Super sweet. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DORJa5lWkAAYEOG.jpg
ETA 3: And guess when Jason's skating in the free skate?
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gpjpn2017/data0105.htm
Yeah, it was a huge improvement from last year for sure!
His mistakes here were clearly nervous mistakes, and hopefully he’ll calm down in the FS. Even before Yuzuru’s withdrawal, I’m sure he felt a lot of pressure to do well because of his performance last year, because he missed the GPF last year, because it’s the Olympic year. Also: because of his TES disadvantage, I think he’s probably gotten used to seeing himself as someone who can achieve silver at best. With Yuzuru’s last-minute withdrawal, all of a sudden he’s being hyped (at least in the US) as the favorite to win - and it’s a position he never expected himself to be in. Kinda like he never expected to make the last group in the FS at the Olys or to have a shot at bronze. I hope he can use his Oly experience to help him get past that!
As to his PCS: I personally think it was appropriate, not too high. He was nervous, but he still gave a committed performance. His choreo is still difficult, and he still executed it at a high level except for one jump landing - so I wouldn’t have docked him on choreo. He still interpreted the music well, so I wouldn’t have docked him for that. I might have gone a bit lower - say .25 - on performance because of the nerves, but not one or two points. And he still has the same transitions, his SS didn’t suffer - he still maintained speed and flow through out. So I wouldn’t lower those. Basically if you compare this performance to Skate Canada, the main difference is that he was a bit more relaxed and able to have more fun there. But people at NHK were still clapping along!
Also, in terms of GOE he executed everything except the landing on the 3A well, even though he lost BV on the combo and the spin level. He still got good height and distance on his jumps, even the 3A. Frankly, I think anyone who thinks he should be under 80 is either not very observant or has an axe to grind and isn’t looking objectively at what he put out there. JMO.
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no matter how sad I am now, I know it will get only better. Hopefully, it's nothing about health problems. Both performances were still full of soul and beautiful moments.
I'm pretty sad too.
One silver lining is the improv combinations: adding a 1L-3S to that 3Lo and the -3T to the second 3Z.
He's also worked on -3F combos. This might actually him a lot down the road. Seems that while working on the quad, he's also working up to the option of doing either a 1L-3S/-3T/-1L-3F to most (if not all) of his triple jumps. And if he can do them in the second half even better. I don't think there are many men that have that much versatility.
The other silver lining is he got a +2.00 on the StSq. I think only Patrick Chan and Yuzuru Hanyu are the only other ones to break +2 in GOE in the StSq.
ETA: I hope also Jason doest to psyched out on his status as a contender. I really do think not having Yuzu and suddenly being thrust into the spotlight sneaked into his mind, just like being in the final group at the Olympics. I hope he learns from this -- I think he needs to believe, regardless of the quad, he can be among the best in the world and ride with it. (And that he can do both the quad and the 3A. They're there -- it's all a mental game at this point).
One silver lining is the improv combinations: adding a 1L-3S to that 3Lo and the -3T to the second 3Z.
He's also worked on -3F combos. This might actually him a lot down the road. Seems that while working on the quad, he's also working up to the option of doing either a 1L-3S/-3T/-1L-3F to most (if not all) of his triple jumps. And if he can do them in the second half even better. I don't think there are many men that have that much versatility.
The other silver lining is he got a +2.00 on the StSq. I think only Patrick Chan and Yuzuru Hanyu are the only other ones to break +2 in GOE in the StSq.
ETA: I hope also Jason doest to psyched out on his status as a contender. I really do think not having Yuzu and suddenly being thrust into the spotlight sneaked into his mind, just like being in the final group at the Olympics. I hope he learns from this -- I think he needs to believe, regardless of the quad, he can be among the best in the world and ride with it. (And that he can do both the quad and the 3A. They're there -- it's all a mental game at this point).
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I just hope his back is ok.
I just hope his back is ok.
He didn't seem injured to me. All the errors seem like uncharacteristic nerves. I remember the Eurosport people commenting in the SP about how his 3F look absolutely fine and totally mystified on why he only did the double. All the jumps, even the messed up 3A (maybe not the second one) had decent height. I think he was nervy and tenantive.
ETA: And I just watched the Eurosport commentary on the FS. They commented that the first 3A looked OK and he probably could have landed it but seem to second-guess himself as he was going down. I should be a commentator.
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I don’t even know what to say.
The program was beautiful except for those errors. His improvs at the end were a bright spot and remind me of what he did at Rostelecom. It’s good that he has the will to fight. But why, why, why? Why did his ability to deliver under pressure desert him now?
He landed beautiful quads in practice in Canada. He landed beautiful 3As at Worlds under the pressure of gaining 3 spots for next year. Why did he underperform here, and why wasn’t Kori able to help him overcome whatever was going on? Was it wanting so badly to make the GPF and the Olympic Team and thinking this was make or break? As out there as it sounds, I almost wonder if he feels guilty and wants to make sure Adam or Max have the opportunity to go.
The sad thing is that he has very little chance of righting the ship in competition before Nats because his chances of making the GPF are quite low. So no matter how high he places at Nats, his chances of making the team took a huge hit today.
Sorry to sound so negative, but I feel really sad for him.
The program was beautiful except for those errors. His improvs at the end were a bright spot and remind me of what he did at Rostelecom. It’s good that he has the will to fight. But why, why, why? Why did his ability to deliver under pressure desert him now?
He landed beautiful quads in practice in Canada. He landed beautiful 3As at Worlds under the pressure of gaining 3 spots for next year. Why did he underperform here, and why wasn’t Kori able to help him overcome whatever was going on? Was it wanting so badly to make the GPF and the Olympic Team and thinking this was make or break? As out there as it sounds, I almost wonder if he feels guilty and wants to make sure Adam or Max have the opportunity to go.
The sad thing is that he has very little chance of righting the ship in competition before Nats because his chances of making the GPF are quite low. So no matter how high he places at Nats, his chances of making the team took a huge hit today.
Sorry to sound so negative, but I feel really sad for him.
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I think You have a point there.
It reminds me kind of myself often put by others as a 'leader' in many situations at work - while those people see that quality, pre-disposition in me from the 'outside' perspective, I'm not feeling it at all, or I feel not comfortable with it. Sure, that kind of assessment is flattering to hear, but not everyone can manage to cope with it well said aloud. I'm one of those weirdos who really cannot see myself put on the front, in the lead by others - the only circumstance I'd get it better, is the situation of making myself on that position out from individual preferrence. I'm following more of 'better steady following than unsure leading' philosophy.
Apologies for a lenghty beginning, but I feel too that the spotlight of 'the top leader of the pack' at NHK in Yuzuru's absence, voiced out by so many people, made Jason distracted and forced into position he is not yet comfortable with nor taught to handle with comfort and ease. It was really more about pressure 'pumped' from outside on him than the sole circumstances of competition or important things at stake, like Olympic spots at last Worlds. Those past events were difficult and on high pressure, but the spotlight was never focused only on Jason - actually, if we can take Helsinki, almost all focus/interest - and pressure - was laid on Nathan and we saw how it ended, combining it with boots problems. Jason strikes me as person who enjoy good, steady and motivational path of 'following' that should take him to more 'leading' one, but at the right place and time - moreover, his 'down-to-earth', openly positive attitude that got him this far with his skill and development of it seemed to be a second-guess today, instead of primarly lead feature. He did not only feel distracted, but also kind of unusually tense and constrained at places - I understand that some of young skaters may enjoy and feel flattered by being a highlight of the most anticipated event at NHK in front of one of the best audiences in the World, but this is not Jason's perspective to strive I feel, at least for now.
Paradox thought I have is that this kind of experience could make him even more sure about path he wants to follow and motivated to progress, challenge himself in that way. Maybe he needed this kind of difficult to take, but learning experience? I know it made his GPF chance bad, but I don't think that this will mess with his head worse than NHK experience. I hope there will be plenty chances of performing, trying and getting there towards Nationals. Skating and the quality of it won't go anywhere, it is only the matter to make it effective in right time, I know he's capable of that.
hugs to All
Perhaps not making the GPF is the best thing for Jason. Let him train and focus on giving his best for Nationals. The Olympic selection for men is going to be an agonizing one for the selection committee. With 4 wonderful choices in Chen, Aaron, Brown and Rippon - someone is going to be left off and it will be beyond sad for someone. Safe to say; Chen is in, barring injury. Max has made a good case with his SC showing and those quads. That leaves Adam and Jason - 2 wonderfully artistic skaters who struggle, at times, with jumps. Has Adam's maturity at 28 given him the edge? Jason will have to literally skate his heart out at Nationals.
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He might have a chance.
Mikhail's in and Shoma and Nathan are locks. That leaves three spots.
Nathan will win SA most likely and Boyang/Sergei will take silver with the other taking bronze. But someone else would have to take fourth and then Adam fifth and that's unlikely.
Jason's best hope of going to the GPF is if someone withdraws I fear.
Mikhail's in and Shoma and Nathan are locks. That leaves three spots.
Nathan will win SA most likely and Boyang/Sergei will take silver with the other taking bronze. But someone else would have to take fourth and then Adam fifth and that's unlikely.
Jason's best hope of going to the GPF is if someone withdraws I fear.
