2017-18 State of U.S. Ladies Skating
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That's kinda why I'm confused. She knows what it feels like to be injured and skate injured. If she didn't 3-2 or hear Bradie's scores, would she still have WD'd?
You can also WD at any point. If she skated the warm up and felt like she couldn't do it, she could've WD then. Skating and not finishing when she's been around as long as she has and skated through the injuries have been had, that's why I'm really confused about the situation.
To be clear, I'm not saying she's faking or anything. I just think this was poorly managed. Raf looked like "whatever, do what you want" and not in a good way. He was looks kinda done with her so I'm confused as to what is happening there.
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Gracie is the real winner here.
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Everyone needs to take into account that Ashley's leg was feeling ok for her to skate on and she was doing well with it until pre LP warm up.
So saying she's constantly making excuses or should have pulled out all together before the event is not making anyone's comments better than the trash that Tara and Johnny spewed about her on air today that everyone's complaining about.
Ashley did what she had to do in a split second decision to protect her health and her future in this sport in her run for the Olympics.
Cut the woman some slack.
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A section?!?!
.... you can literally WD at any point, including in between your warm-up and taking the ice.
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There's no winner here! Karen has regressed back to her pre-2016 ways. Gracie is dealing with demons. Ashley has a potentially serious infection and little or no time to heal. Bradie is new and untried and has had one good skate. Mirai is Mirai. Mariah has a lot of potential but doesn't have it all together yet, Polina Edmunds is rusty from lack of competition.
I think the US Women are a long-shot for top 10 at the Olympics unless something really changes in the next 2 months.
I think the US Women are a long-shot for top 10 at the Olympics unless something really changes in the next 2 months.
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Thank you for making me aware of that. As a former elite figure skater I had no idea. :sarcasm:
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I think Ic3Rabbit knows that...
Not just one, actually -- she scored 196 at Lombardia Trophy early in the season, coming in 4th after Alina, Wakaba and Carolina. A breakout season doesn't get much better than that. Let's see if she can hold her consistency through Golden Spin and Nationals, but Skate America is a validation that Lombardia wasn't a fluke.
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Obviously, my point was using the excuse that she didn't know until the warm-up isn't a good one.
Can we move on from this issue? I think everyone can agree it was unfortunate that Ashley had to withdraw, and as far as I can tell nobody HERE is saying she faked her injury, so really, we're nitpicking now just how unfortunate the WD was. Can't we just leave it at "It sucked, she's upset about it"?
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I think it's more complicated than that. Ashley may have been psyching herself and telling herself she could skate through it even with pain. It's likely she didn't want to withdraw if she didn't have to and didn't want to withdraw earlier and feel like she should have skated. It was a no win situation for her.
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Yeah I definitely agree with all that. I'm worried about how this will affect her in the future, both mentally and with the judges.
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Then you totally missed my original point.
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It’s not just one skate though, that’s the thing. She skated very well at Philly this summer, only popping a triple flip in the long but everything else was clean in short and long. Then, she went to Lombardia and skated two clean programs, now she comes to SA and skates two clean programs. I’m not saying she’s some consistency phenom but it’s not happened with Mariah Bell last year. Now, I love Mariah but last year everyone got all excited over her at SA even though she has always been an inconsistent skater. Bradie also was consistent in the 2015-16 season and skated two clean programs at nationals and did well at her summer comps. Last season she was injured and couldn’t train consistently so she didn’t do well at nationals or junior worlds and lost her consistency there for sure. The question now is if Bradie keeps the streak of good programs through nationals. If she does then you really can’t call her a one trick pony anymore.
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I might've because I was just directly reacting to the "ashley's leg was feeling ok for her to skate on and she was doing well with it until pre LP warm up" comment.
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There comes a time and place in most elite skaters lives when they are put in a situation like Ashley was in today. You were cleared to skate for the last week on it, and it's been great and then you have to make a split second decision when you are out there skating or even on warm up. She thought she could push through and then decided that she couldn't midway through her program. I applaud her for what she did, protecting her future for this season.
I mean seriously, what was going to happen? It's not like if she W/D only a bit earlier (had she known she wasn't going to be able to proceed) that they'd have a replacement skater for her or something. I mean really. This is getting ridiculous. Unless you have been there yourself, you can't say she was wrong for what she did.
@andromache, I understand about the interviews and selling herself. No one wants to board a sinking ship. And, to the extent that judges consume her sound bytes or care about the way she portrays herself to the press, I get why she wouldn't want to beat herself each time she doesn't skate perfectly. But that's different than having multiple bad skates in a row and always finding some kind of exogenous excuse. As a fan, I'd like her to just say, "Look, this wasn't great. I am responsible for my skating. I know better by now, and I should do better. I'm working on it." Right now, she mostly sounds like a combination of nonchalant about her bad outings and completely lacking self-awareness about her progress. I hope that whatever conversations she's having with her coaches/ whatever plan she's developing for herself to improve her skating is more brutally honest/ angry/ frustrated than she's seemed of late.
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that she slays at Nationals and skates her very best in Pyeongchang.
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that she slays at Nationals and skates her very best in Pyeongchang.
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To be clear, I do not think there was a "right" or "wrong" decision. I've been in this situation (obviously not on the same stage) and it's hard... I just think it's baffling that between her and Raf a decision was not made earlier. Raf looks a bit done with her, between his reaction to this and her KnC comments the other day. I'm worried overall. She hasn't skated a clean program (short or long) for a while. She decided not to do summer competitions and still doesn't look competition ready. She can't land jumps, she's slow, the footwork doesn't look great. And now this? How much is USFS really going to keep pushing her?
I *love* Ashley. Love her and I have been defending her forever. But her drama is a little old. She's spending way more time filming commercials than skating and I'm bracing myself for having to hear about this debacle through Nationals. I think this is a bad look overall, especially since Bradie skated great right before her. How much was the WD decision affected by that, and the missed 3-3?
It's an unfortunate situation overall, but this drama is very ashley.
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Her press answers were confusing... "I'm here for nationals."
Then.... why did you even do the GP?
