2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating
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We need to think about our own broadcasting studio like ISU and Ted have. But for the beginning, we should calculate costs/profit.
I think while it wouldnt be profitable per se, it could be used for many purposes. For instance, imho, its easier for kids and teenagers to look up at junior skaters, who are around same age, have similar problems and so on, rather than senior skaters, who tend to be, like, 18+, so it could be used to promote sports and so on.
A stream could be relevant for the skaters too, since its not like all their families and friends could afford traveling to such competitions. Its something you can get your buddies to watch real time cheering for you.
And i dont think that, currently, a live stream would be too expensive - think no commentary no TES box, its stuff people can do at home even.
And well, there is never enough PR.
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we had a live stream from all of the Russian cup stages. SO I believe we will have a live stream for junior nationals in Saransk as well.I doubt there will be any stream from Russian junior in Saransk in three weeks at so much more deserving tournament. Oh Russia, why aren't you showcasing your most wonderful assets, it's the easiest international PR, everybody love your skaters!
I don't worry at all.
on the other hand. Will be there any live stream from the cup of Moscow? .... A really want to see Anna.
The process by itself is not so expensive. But camera and moreover money for traveling, hotels, tickets, bureaucracy with accreditations - these are the real problems. The case with Finlandia Trophy shows that people are not ready to pay 20 euro to watch figure skating. But I agree, there were not so many good skaters and the cost was way too high for that. But even if it will be about 5 dollars, and it will be Novice/Junior Russian Nationals, how many people will want to spend their money to watch this? 80% of them will try to find a pirate link. Also, let's imagine it worked, 100 interested people. 500$ profit, really? Even 200 people = 1000$ - this is very little money. Costs for the tickets to Russia, hotels, the competition - are way much coster. So no profits at all for a first look.
I don’t think you can say that people are not willing to pay 20 euros to watch figure skating. Check the price of the tickets at worlds. If I recall correctly, my all event ticket cost more than £1200. (Don’t remember the exact sum, but it definitely was ovr this number). And yet plenty of tickets were sold. There may be other reasons why people didn’t go to Finlandia trophy.
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1. You don't need to travel if you can find a local person who is figure skating fan and has camera i.e. it can be international community of broadcasters ( ICB 
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2. Is "pay per view" the best strategy? what about donations like many software developers use?
3. And ICB as organization can contact with ISU to get some rights to use commercial/promo banners at the site or something like that
).2. Is "pay per view" the best strategy? what about donations like many software developers use?
3. And ICB as organization can contact with ISU to get some rights to use commercial/promo banners at the site or something like that
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports...ds-international-judging-system/#.WlXJga6WaUn
wow, that would be awesome!
wow, that would be awesome!
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports...ds-international-judging-system/#.WlXJga6WaUn
“One of the things I would love to do is a documentary on some of the training centers and teams of the world,” Barton commented. “Certainly come here to Japan. Go to Russia, Canada and the United States. To study how coaches bring up kids. How they bring up the person, the child person into the adult person. The child athlete into the adult athlete. Tell the stories, because they are remarkable stories.”
wow, that would be awesome!
recent phenomenal work of Russian coach Eteri Tutberidze, who has displayed nothing short of a magic wand in her development of young skaters
Looking forward to see Eteri's and Mie's work!
That's all true, dear hanca. (Btw, what a rich lady you are! I'm amazed again! Are you married or free?!
I'm, too, ready to pay 20-30 dollars to watch full coverage with FHD live stream of an event, sitting/lying on my couch, and drinking.
But how many of others will want to if:
1. Watching this forum you can come to one conclusion:
People are not interested in figure skating, but in background of that. They're happy to discuss in hundreds of pages skaters' interviews, weight problems, new manicure/hair/dress, banning of Russia, what is balance in the program, etc. Absolutely boring and barely connected to figure skating things. Or it's just some persons are writing something like, 'I'm not Medvedeva's hater, but her flutz and tanos are so ugly, and she's always overscored'. And then starts a holywar in dozens of pages. Also very boring.
2. Most of people here are from NA (US/Canada), only 10% of them are interested in Russian ladies. You can compare number of posts/views in subforums of US Nationals and Russian Nationals to get that. You said you're following some Russian forums, how many people are there? Do they know such surnames as Usacheva, Berestovskaya, Zinina, Rubtsova, Chistyakova, U. Vasilieva?
3. It's not Worlds, Euros or Senior Russian Nationals. We're talking about competitions with rising Russian stars and superstars. Many people here don't even know who they are, and don't care. I mean, how many people will want to watch competition with only 13-15 yo Russian girls? Or, if we're talking about Novices, 10-12 yo? 10-20 people? And who of them will be ready to pay for that? [emoji848]
1. You don't need to travel if you can find a local person who is figure skating fan and has camera i.e. it can be international community of broadcasters ( ICB
That's an idea! I can provide english commentary. My Rode Podcaster is made for that!
:Yeah, also we may use a patreon. [emoji848]
3. And ICB as organization can contact with ISU to get some rights to use commercial/promo banners at the site or something like that
ISU has nothing to do with any national events of any country, so this is pointless.
Pretty sure that hiring a local with a cam for a day is not that expensive. I dont see why they would need to pay for extra traveling, hotels or tickets (since i´m pretty sure the cameraman do not pay for tickets, same as other people who work during the competition).
Also, i´m sorry, i really dont get all the profit part. For me, its something that would only make sense if streamed for free and funded by russian gov with the sole purpose of promoting russian sport.
See JGP streams. I´m pretty sure nobody makes any money on that, still it is done and actually brings some good attention to juniors.
What are you talking about? They all have salaries from ISU, and ISU pays for tickets and hotels. And you suggest to ordinary people who are not related with ISU or any national federations, spend money, time and don't receive anything in return except, 'thanks for live streams, you're awesome!'?
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I guess there are so many great Russian ladies to talk about. I will talk about the ones who are skating at EUROS and Olympics and worlds and what I want to know is how is Evgenia? Is she really able to compete at her best or is she still really hurt? Is she able to compete in top form with the all the tech? Is she full out practising? Who is going to Euros? I thought it was the oly and world team - Evgenia, Alina and Maria? Who is the back up or alternate(s).
Stanislava Konstantinova is the first alternate. Polina Tsurskaya is the second. I doubt that someone here was on Evgenia's practice, so no information. But her last instastory's photo gives a hope she's ready.
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You do realize how many minor competitions are streamed, right? There often are multiple ones a week and the live viewer counts range from around 10 to 80 at most. It's not like no one does streaming for Russian competitions. Really, the simple solution is to just have the junior nationals at places where people who stream exist. Or just ship them in(How much could it cost, really?).
For example, take a look at this Youtube channel. The competition videos have around 1-2k views in total. But if you look at the competition videos from late December 2017 for example, there's live TES displays, skater information, live scores on the screen etc. even though these are extremely minor competitions no one really cares about.
And you'd be saying that'd be too much to ask for junior nationals?
Yeah, would be cool to see him at competitions with more supernovas. But I suppose he is somehow related to local technical controllers or their assistants, and just as hobby do these live streams with all the information.
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See, I would be willing to pay money. I just don't have the money!That's all true, dear hanca. (Btw, what a rich lady you are! I'm amazed again! Are you married or free?!
I'm, too, ready to pay 20-30 dollars to watch full coverage with FHD live stream of an event, sitting/lying on my couch, and drinking.
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Sure but it just goes to show that the technology is there and probably wouldn't cost that insurmountable an amount... I too would like this person to cover more events. Seems to just do some locals but the stream's always such a treat. But still, there's the Studia 38 thing that covers tons more events pretty well and such... I just can't comprehend how covering nationals would be too much.
In any case, 3 days to go and I'm already getting quite anxious... I just really don't know what to expect.
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Problem with such amateur streams is poor camera angles/work. And it's really important to have multiple cameras/good quality for MUCH better impression - I am strictly convinced in that now after wonderful JGPF translation. It's a pity that performances deserving utmost attention and quality of translation usually get second-hand approach.
So, if I would pay money - I would pay it for quality service. Else there are always some amateur phone streams can be found for free anyway - why I should pay then?
So, if I would pay money - I would pay it for quality service. Else there are always some amateur phone streams can be found for free anyway - why I should pay then?
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You think so? I prefer one camera angle most of the time, as long as it's from the judges' position. For instance, the GPF had pretty horrible zoom-outs for no real reason and that was annoying during the Japanese nationals as well. Zoom ins during "miming" or standing parts also really aren't even close to as good as seeing the full body for the entire time in my opinion.
Of course, good camera work is necessary but I often find these smaller events to have pretty good camera work and I generally prefer it over the gaudy cuts of the larger events these days. Constant angle and camera changes really are quite disruptive to the general performance unless performed properly, I feel. Oftentimes, less is more in this case.
