2018 Olympic Season: Men's Figure Skating

[Crossover]

The Euros is over, so now it's time for 4CC. Boyang's condition will be disclosed after his withdrawal from the GPF due to his ankle injuries.

And the Olympics is just 20 days to go, so I'm curious as to Hanyu's current status. He has been under the radar after the NHK withdrawal.

 

[sillyant]

I am rooting for Javi. But probably he will have a tough time getting a medal this Olympic.
Quite likely it will be: Yuzuru, Nathan and Shoma getting the medals

 

[medoroa]

has something that you can call properly a ChSq too (if you look at those of Uno and Chen are less more than a cantilever and a long spread eagle, respectively)

But that's the point of the ChSq and why it only has a level 1. To show off MitF such as those, and GOE is based on grade of execution, not difficulty. It's the same misconception people have about the CH mark; it's not based on difficulty!

You keep pointing out you're not saying these are the only measures of SS... but then adding that they should be, therefore some skaters are under and overscored.

 

[fireovertheice]

But that's the point of the ChSq and why it only has a level 1. To show off MitF such as those, and GOE is based on grade of execution, not difficulty. It's the same misconception people have about the CH mark; it's not based on difficulty!

You keep pointing out you're not saying these are the only measures of SS... but then adding that they should be, therefore some skaters are under and overscored.

Yes, ChSq doesn't have rigid requirements (i.e. "no required pattern") and skaters have freedom to do what they want/are able to do, provided that they utilize the ice surface: and in fact I was speaking about that not in respect to GOE or the mark for ChSq per se, but for example for SS, that are judged looking throughout the entire program, ChSq included, I think.

Then: maybe because English is not my mother language and in mine nuances used are important, but actually I said that those "can be indicators" for the scores, not that they "should be" "the only measures".

Thanks to your remarks I hope I explained myself better now.

 

[rhubarb]

These Olympics are certainly going to be interesting.

There are so many men who are capable of winning gold at this point...

 

[da96103]

These Olympics are certainly going to be interesting.

There are so many men who are capable of winning gold at this point...

Capable: Many
Probable Gold: Yuzu, Javi, Shoma, Nathan
Probable Silver: Above 4 plus Boyang, Kolyada
Probable Bronze: Above 6 plus Patrick, Dima

 

[Yatagarasu]

And the Olympics is just 20 days to go, so I'm curious as to Hanyu's current status. He has been under the radar after the NHK withdrawal.

There is a complete blackout when it comes to Yuzuru's condition. All that is known is that he is back on the ice. So we wait until the practices and hopefully enough will leak to the media so that we get some idea of where he is.

 

[da96103]

There is a complete blackout when it comes to Yuzuru's condition. All that is known is that he is back on the ice. So we wait until the practices and hopefully enough will leak to the media so that we get some idea of where he is.

Maybe Yuzu will skip the team event on 9th Feb, giving everyone a heart attack. But reappears on 16th for the individual event SP.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Maybe Yuzu will skip the team event on 9th Feb, giving everyone a heart attack. But reappears on 16th for the individual event SP.

Honestly I doubt it because he's been out of competition for months and the team event is the one place where he can get it. It's not ideal but it is still better. Also, among the info known is that he can probably request to skate both segments and get it (the question of whether Japan qualifies or not aside). Personally I think we'll see him for team short, like last time.

 

[NoNameFace]

The Euros is over, so now it's time for 4CC. Boyang's condition will be disclosed after his withdrawal from the GPF due to his ankle injuries.

And the Olympics is just 20 days to go, so I'm curious as to Hanyu's current status. He has been under the radar after the NHK withdrawal.

Funny that I wondered about both of them during Euros more than I paid attention to Men competing there, and with Yuzuru, I asked myself what is stronger: his hunger for competing or public/fan's hunger to see him competing? Probably both are equally consuming, for me seeing major competitions without him makes them losing 'flavour' a bit, the colouring of excitement. I hope that both - Yuzuru and Boyang - will be at their possible best during Olympics.

 

[rhubarb]

Capable: Many
Probable Gold: Yuzu, Javi, Shoma, Nathan
Probable Silver: Above 4 plus Boyang, Kolyada
Probable Bronze: Above 6 plus Patrick, Dima

Yeah depending on how Yuzu comes back from his injury, we could be seeing gold or silver from him.
But given on how consistent Nathan has been with his quads...

If Kolyada can skate a clean program and land that 4lutz, he could definately challenge gold. Same with Javi and Shoma.

My guess is the probable bronze is Patrick, but we can't take Vincent's technical score and Adam's PCS out of the picture...

 

[Mussique]

whole post

I don't understand your numbers
You've said something like this:
Gold: Yuzu or Nathan. Also Javi, Kolyada or Shoma
Bronze: Patrick, Vincent, Adam
But...if you put five for gold then there's no way you can say another three for bronze


I get it though. Men's are so unpredictable this year!!!
I'm just crossing my fingers for no more injuries, please, and the maximum possible clean programs.

If my faves can sneak their way into the podium, then that's just the best bonus ever :3

 

[ReasonOFF]

expecting from nathan the gold medal! if only his axels would be stable.

 

[chillgil]

here's an in depth analysis of the top 7 men's long programs! The author has Yuzuru, Javier, and Mikhail owning the most complex programs of the seven-interestingly enough i would've figured pchiddy to be in the top three
https://kolmogorov-is-sad.tumblr.co...нтики-и-пуфики-top-7-isu-world-standings-pt-2

 

[penniavaswen]

here's an in depth analysis of the top 7 men's long programs! The author has Yuzuru, Javier, and Mikhail owning the most complex programs of the seven-interestingly enough i would've figured pchiddy to be in the top three
https://kolmogorov-is-sad.tumblr.co...нтики-и-пуфики-top-7-isu-world-standings-pt-2

Nice translation of the sports.ru article and lots of fun data to look at. I take some exception to their conclusions of the analysis, as it obviously props up Kolyada to an unnecessary degree. In their examination of quad jump height and rotation, they only considered worthy the height and discounted rotation (when both should be considered to draw more accurate conclusions) in order to shower accolades on the Russian skaters.

 

[Tutto]

Nice translation of the sports.ru article and lots of fun data to look at. I take some exception to their conclusions of the analysis, as it obviously props up Kolyada to an unnecessary degree. In their examination of quad jump height and rotation, they only considered worthy the height and discounted rotation (when both should be considered to draw more accurate conclusions) in order to shower accolades on the Russian skaters.

What's wrong with Kolyada's rotation? He is one of a few skaters who never get UR calls for a simple reason - he rotates his jumps in the air unlike many

 

[xeyra]

What's wrong with Kolyada's rotation? He is one of a few skaters who never get UR calls for a simple reason - he rotates his jumps in the air unlike many

I think they meant the analysis gave more weight to height of jumps than to fast rotational speed.

 

[silverfoxes]

It's cute that people actually think Kolyada has a chance to medal here. What are you talking about?

He has never broken 300 points or even gotten close to it. His inflated PCS are coming back to earth.

He has never skated a clean LP this season, and only one clean SP. He didn't have one clean quad at Euros. You think he's suddenly going to deliver under the most pressure he's ever had in his life?

He has a godawful LP which he cannot sell. The SP is alright, but just alright. He does not have the charisma of Yuzuru, Javier, Boyang or Shoma (who is also overrated to me, but I know the judges will throw points at him). Those 4 men as well as Nathan are all in far better positions to medal. At least I can believe those men can deliver what they promise, or close to it, even if they don't do it very often.

 

[tureis]

My problem with most of these analyses is that they rarely ever look at the big picture, even if they are very detailed and methodical. Think about the transition analysis, which doesn't speak about quality of execution for example. A skater can do 5 transition elements which are difficult on paper, but if they are rushed or sloppy, can they still be considered superior to just 3-4 which are exquisite and actually done to the music? Same for the jump analysis. Height is just one aspect. What about length? Or difficulty of entry? I often feel that these analyses are done in a way that highlight the strengths of certain skaters to lift them over others, and deliberately neglect weaknesses.

 

[chairmanmao]

Nice translation of the sports.ru article and lots of fun data to look at. I take some exception to their conclusions of the analysis, as it obviously props up Kolyada to an unnecessary degree. In their examination of quad jump height and rotation, they only considered worthy the height and discounted rotation (when both should be considered to draw more accurate conclusions) in order to shower accolades on the Russian skaters.

Russian skaters? There is only Kolyada there. It was examining steps and transitions not jumps so I don't know where your jump comment came from. It's a detailed analysis I might add. You can a watch video to see if you've not seen their programs. Honestly you don't even need this analysis. It's quite clear watching live who are just doing crossovers and hand raising between jumps.