2018 Olympic Season: Men's Figure Skating

[MaiKatze]

I'm wondering about their current form, especially Patrick's as he's been away from competition since Skate Canada. However, I don't think any of the skaters will compete at 4CC because both already won the title and their National schedules are too close to 4CC. They also need to prepare for Team Event as well. It's quite possible that both compete in both SP and FS for the Team Event. The jet lag and traveling distance will be also big problems for them unlike Boyang and Shoma, both of which live very close to South Korea.

Yes, realistically I think they won't show up at 4CC. This year it's still in January and time wise it's only one week after Europeans, but jet leg and everything surely will prevent them from going. They could go and stay in Asia until Pyeongchang, but I don't think so. It's ideal for Shoma though, because it's not too far and PC is practically next door, too.

 

[DiamondDust]

GOLD - Yuzuru Hanyu
SILVER - Javier Fernandez
BRONZE - Anybody else. LOLs! XD :agree:

 

[da96103]

Some quad progress occurred in Golden Spin of Zagreb last month. Daniel Grassl from Italy becomes the 9th person to do the 4Lz.


In summary thus far.

This season alone, there were 4 new skaters who successfully debuted their 4Lz (Kolyada, Hanyu, Samarin and Grassl). Together with Jin, Chen and Zhou, there are 7 active skaters with quadruple lutz. Still awaiting Aliev or Rippon to be the 10th person.

In contrast only,
four skaters have done 4F (Uno, Chen, Paniot and Zhou) and
four skaters have done 4Lo (Krasnozhon, Hanyu, Uno and Chen)

NEW UPDATE

GOLDEN SPIN OF ZAGREB
Artur Dmitriev: 4Fe double carrot fall
Daniel Grassl: 4Lz GOE 0.00. Daniel becomes the 9th person to do the 4Lz (after Mroz, Sesganov, Jin, Chen, Zhou, Kolyada, Hanyu, Samarin)


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2017/2018 GP PHASE QUAD PROGRESS

GRAND PRIX FINAL
Adam Rippon: 4Lz double carrot fall

SKATE AMERICA
Adam Rippon: 4Lz double carrot
Kevin Reynolds: 4Lo carrot

INTERNATIONAUX DE FRANCE
No quad progress

NHK
Dmitri Aliev: 4Lz carrot fall
Adam Rippon: 4Lz carrot

CUP OF CHINA
No quad progress

SKATE CANADA
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz (in combination +3T) GOE +0.11.
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz GOE +2.00. Alexander becomes the 8th person to do the 4Lz (after Mroz, Sesganov, Jin, Chen, Zhou, Kolyada and Hanyu)
Keegan Messing: 4Lz double carrot fall

ROSTELECOM CUP
Yuzuru Hanyu: 4Lz +GOE 1.14 Yuzuru becomes the 7th person to do the 4Lz (after Mroz, Sesganov, Jin, Chen, Zhou and Kolyada) He now has 4 different non-axel quads, missing 4F.
Dmitri Aliev: 4Lz carrot fall



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2017/2018 CHALLENGER EVENTS QUAD PROGRESS

US CLASSIC
Nathan Chen: 4Lo GOE +1.60 Nathan becomes the fourth person to do the 4Lo (after Krasnozhon, Hanyu and Uno)*. This also means Nathan has successfully executed all 5 non-axel quads. Will be awaiting for all five to appear in one long program.
Yaroslav Paniot: 4F GOE +1.00 Yaroslav becomes the third person to do the 4F (after Uno and Chen)
Daniel Samohin: 4Lo carrot fall
*Nic Nadeau has landed 4Lo at Canadian Nationals 2017 earlier.

LOMBARDIA
Shoma Uno: 4S GOE +0.80 Shoma also successfully executed his first 5-quad program. He now has 4 different non-axel quads, missing 4Lz.

AUTUMN CLASSIC
No new quads

ONDREJ NEPELA
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz carrot fall
Mikhail Kolyada: 4Lz fall
Mikhail Kolyada: 4Lz GOE +2.00 Mikhail becomes the 6th person to do the 4Lz (after Mroz, Sesganov, Jin, Chen and Zhou)**. He now has three different non-axel quads, missing 4F and 4Lo.
Alexander Samarin: 4Lz double carrot fall
** Dmitri Aliev and Alexander Samarin have landed 4Lz's in domestic competitions.

NEBELHORN
No new quads

[COLOR="#00800"]FINLANDIA
Vincent Zhou: 4F (in combination +3T) GOE +0.50.
Vincent Zhou: 4F solo GOE +1.17
Vincent becomes the 4th person to do the 4F (after Uno, Chen and Paniot). He now has 4 different non-axel quads, missing 4Lo.
Adam Rippon: 4Lz carrot fall
Kevin Reynolds: 4Lo double carrot[/COLOR]

MINSK-ARENA ICE STARS/WARSAW CUP/TALINN TROPHY
No quad progress

 

[da96103]

SUMMARY OF SKATERS WITH MULTIPLE QUADS

FIVE QUADS
NATHAN CHEN: 4Lz, 4F, 4Lo, 4S, 4T

FOUR QUADS
YUZURU HANYU: 4Lz, 4Lo, 4S, 4T
SHOMA UNO: 4F, 4Lo, 4S, 4T
VINCENT ZHOU: 4Lz, 4F, 4S, 4T

THREE QUADS
BOYANG JIN: 4Lz, 4S, 4T
MIKHAIL KOLYADA: 4Lz, 4S, 4T

Note:
Paniot has only 4F and 4T.
Samarin has only 4Lz and 4T.
Krasnozhon has only 4Lo.
Grassl has only 4Lz.

 

[ranran]

SUMMARY OF SKATERS WITH MULTIPLE QUADS

FIVE QUADS
NATHAN CHEN: 4Lz, 4F, 4Lo, 4S, 4T

FOUR QUADS
YUZURU HANYU: 4Lz, 4Lo, 4S, 4T
SHOMA UNO: 4F, 4Lo, 4S, 4T
VINCENT ZHOU: 4Lz, 4F, 4S, 4T

THREE QUADS
BOYANG JIN: 4Lz, 4S, 4T
MIKHAIL KOLYADA: 4Lz, 4S, 4T

Note:
Paniot has only 4F and 4T.
Samarin has only 4Lz and 4T.
Krasnozhon has only 4Lo.
Grassl has only 4Lz.

I thought Boyang is doing 4 Quads? Or did he toned it down after injury??

 

[xeyra]

I thought Boyang is doing 4 Quads? Or did he toned it down after injury??

I think they mean the different types of quads skaters have in their repertoire/programs, not the number of them in their layout.

 

[eppen]

Yup, for most of them two quads are more consistent and get done regularly (ie usually in both programs), the others less regularly and only in FS. Jin has done 4Lo successfully in (international) competion once, the same with Hanyu's 4Lz, Chen has 3 4Lo's and Uno the same number of 4S's. Also Nathan's 4S does not get out too often - 6 times only.

Apart from Nathan (who has 80+ quads so far), all the others have some 110 quads done internationally and some 2/3 of them are 4T's (Hanyu 66, Uno 65, Jin 61, Chen 29). The second best jump varies a bit, for Hanyu it is the 4S (37), for Uno 4F (32) and Jin 4Lz (26). Nathan's 4F and 4Lz are at about the same level (22 and 23). 4Lo is obviously nr 3 jump for Hanyu and Uno, 4S for Jin.

Considering how many problems the younger men have with 4S (only Jin does it with any regularity), it is amazing that it does not get a higher BV than 4T.

Btw Kolyada is not included here, because he has been doing fewer quads than the others and when I did those stats over Xmas, I was interested in the highest quantities.

e

 

[xeyra]

Yup, for most of them two quads are more consistent and get done regularly (ie usually in both programs), the others less regularly and only in FS. Jin has done 4Lo successfully in (international) competion once, the same with Hanyu's 4Lz, Chen has 3 4Lo's and Uno the same number of 4S's. Also Nathan's 4S does not get out too often - 6 times only.

Just to clarify, the only time I remember Boyang jumping the 4Lo in a program was at 4CC last season and he fell on it (with a UR) so I'm trying to think in which international competition he landed it successfully?

 

[eppen]

Just to clarify, the only time I remember Boyang jumping the 4Lo in a program was at 4CC last season and he fell on it (with a UR) so I'm trying to think in which international competition he landed it successfully?

It got recorded in the protocol as a 4Lo, that was the basic criteria. Sorry for the choice of adjective there.

e

 

[xeyra]

It got recorded in the protocol as a 4Lo, that was the basic criteria. Sorry for the choice of adjective there.

e

Thank you. That makes sense if we're just going by attempt in protocol, not so much successful attempt. I was kind of wondering when Boyang might bring the 4Lo back again but he's actually trying to improve himself with what he has before bringing in more BV.

 

[ranran]

I think they mean the different types of quads skaters have in their repertoire/programs, not the number of them in their layout.

Ahh~ I see. Thank you.

 

[da96103]

Just to clarify, the only time I remember Boyang jumping the 4Lo in a program was at 4CC last season and he fell on it (with a UR) so I'm trying to think in which international competition he landed it successfully?

Thanks for the reminder. Will watch for Boyang's 4Lo in the next coming seasons.

 

[da96103]

Yup, for most of them two quads are more consistent and get done regularly (ie usually in both programs), the others less regularly and only in FS. Jin has done 4Lo successfully in (international) competion once, the same with Hanyu's 4Lz, Chen has 3 4Lo's and Uno the same number of 4S's. Also Nathan's 4S does not get out too often - 6 times only.

Apart from Nathan (who has 80+ quads so far), all the others have some 110 quads done internationally and some 2/3 of them are 4T's (Hanyu 66, Uno 65, Jin 61, Chen 29). The second best jump varies a bit, for Hanyu it is the 4S (37), for Uno 4F (32) and Jin 4Lz (26). Nathan's 4F and 4Lz are at about the same level (22 and 23). 4Lo is obviously nr 3 jump for Hanyu and Uno, 4S for Jin.

Considering how many problems the younger men have with 4S (only Jin does it with any regularity), it is amazing that it does not get a higher BV than 4T.

Btw Kolyada is not included here, because he has been doing fewer quads than the others and when I did those stats over Xmas, I was interested in the highest quantities.

e

Wow, you are so diligent in compiling these statistics. Thank you for your hard work. Please do post your findings after every Christmas in the future seasons.

 

[lavender]

Re: Vincent...anyone think he should work on his stamina more. I think that's one of the reasons he starts to underrotate. You can see him breathe really hard before his footwork in his long and after his short. None of the guys do that. They take a breathe but he's breathing hard.

 

[charlotte14]

I have just seen this video on Twitter, they count the top 8 guys's 1 foot skating and the number of crossovers in the first half of the season: https://youtu.be/3qlpTMObg9A
Very informative.

 

[s_parks]

I have just seen this video on Twitter, they count the top 8 guys's 1 foot skating and the number of crossovers in the first half of the season: https://youtu.be/3qlpTMObg9A
Very informative.

I just saw this! Really cool, wonder if they'll do the same for other disciplines.

 

[Skater Boy]

interesting but this does not tell the tale about the quality of the skating, edge etc. Still interesting.

 

[Ares]

Yup, for most of them two quads are more consistent and get done regularly (ie usually in both programs), the others less regularly and only in FS. Jin has done 4Lo successfully in (international) competion once, the same with Hanyu's 4Lz, Chen has 3 4Lo's and Uno the same number of 4S's. Also Nathan's 4S does not get out too often - 6 times only.

Apart from Nathan (who has 80+ quads so far), all the others have some 110 quads done internationally and some 2/3 of them are 4T's (Hanyu 66, Uno 65, Jin 61, Chen 29). The second best jump varies a bit, for Hanyu it is the 4S (37), for Uno 4F (32) and Jin 4Lz (26). Nathan's 4F and 4Lz are at about the same level (22 and 23). 4Lo is obviously nr 3 jump for Hanyu and Uno, 4S for Jin.

Considering how many problems the younger men have with 4S (only Jin does it with any regularity), it is amazing that it does not get a higher BV than 4T.

Btw Kolyada is not included here, because he has been doing fewer quads than the others and when I did those stats over Xmas, I was interested in the highest quantities.

e

4S gets higher BV than 4T, by 0.2 point so it's not true.

 

[Ice Dance]

Also Nathan's 4S does not get out too often - 6 times only.

Not too common, but I think at least 7 times. Three in 2015-2016 (1 at the JGPF, 2 at Nationals). Twice last season (4CCs and Nationals). Rostelecom and Nationals this season.

 

[Ice Dance]

There are some guys, though, with the quad sal & not the quad toe. Dice Murakami, I think. And the sal has been more common for Max Aaron.