2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

[Tolstoj]

Afaik, Eteri doesn't want them. She said once in interview, Chinese feds had proposed her big amount of money for training some promising girl, but she refused, because of her patriotic standpoint.
She probably felt, being a professional, that having given her best to the girl, she might have raised a champion depriving Russia of some future medals.


PS. Have you guys read this article from Phil Hersh?
Russian ladies playing game of 'catch us if you can'

Actually she does train some foreign skater (Moris Kvitelashvili and Nika Egadze compete for Georgia).

I think she could accept the boys because there is not such competition at her rink, but for ladies/girls is impossible at this point: even if you are russian there are very little chance to join their group unless you're already one of the strongest talent, i'd like to see videos from those auditions.

Anyway congrats Trusova, you made the history already, now the question is: will you be able to sustain this?

 

[Scott512]

Shimmy!

That is cute and it's nice to say Sasha's coaches having so much fun with her and being so happy for her. Somewhere Alina Zagitova must be thinking I wish my coaches were happy like that with me.

 

[tars]

https://youtu.be/uLLpsCbXPQ8?t=409

Gleykhengauz: "What are we gonna learn now?"
Kostornaia: "Quads!"

Her "is it rhetorical question?" face says it all. Since today, there is no turning back. New era has begun. :scard7:

 

[Elucidus]

https://youtu.be/uLLpsCbXPQ8?t=409

Gleykhengauz: "What are we gonna learn now?"
Kostornaia: "Quads!"

Her "is it rhetorical question?" face says it all. Since today, there is no turning back. New era has begun. :scard7:

Omg, actually I am worried about Alena now 0_0 Trusova is one thing, but Kostornaia seems to me so delicate and tender, artistic girl that.. maybe it's not way for her. Even if that quad training wouldn't injure her - I just can't imagine her ephemeral skating after very strength-dependant, stamina-consuming quads :noshake: I think quads are for more athletic girls like Zagitova/Osmond, with visible muscles on legs.. Kostornaia is good as she is. I hope Eteri wouldn't allow ruin her artistic potential with quads. Quads and artistism are something mutually exclusive even in man skating after all (except maybe Yuzuru there is clear distinction between technical and artistic skaters ). On other hand I understand that Alena wants to win too but.. sometimes the best is never too good.

P.S.: no, it's not rhetorical question face. It's full of uncertainty. Her body language/tone of voice at moment of Daniil's question tells me that she doesn't want to learn quads or is afraid to learn them (I am sure she was watching all year how many times Trusova fell on them and how painful it looked). I hope I am wrong but..

 

[madison]

That is cute and it's nice to say Sasha's coaches having so much fun with her and being so happy for her. Somewhere Alina Zagitova must be thinking I wish my coaches were happy like that with me.

But Daniil is usually like this, playful and happy, including with Alina... Watch her previous performances and you'll see.
I 'm tired of all this drama that fans created hinting that Alina is persecuted by the team. She's not!

 

[madison]

Afaik, Eteri doesn't want them. She said once in interview, Chinese feds had proposed her big amount of money for training some promising girl, but she refused, because of her patriotic standpoint.
She probably felt, being a professional, that having given her best to the girl, she might have raised a champion depriving Russia of some future medals.


PS. Have you guys read this article from Phil Hersh?
Russian ladies playing game of 'catch us if you can'

If people, journalists, fans etc really care about the longevity of Russian ladies, they should propose a change of the rule so to increase the number of Russian ladies at the major events.

 

[russianfan]

A girl from Eteri camp wins with falling all over ice on attempting 7 backloaded quads. Lands three of them, although she stumbles on quad loop quite a bit.
(just having fun.)

now watch how this is becoming less and less funny with each month

 

[Lightstar]

Sasha did amazing no question. As i read all the posts the most complain about Sasha is the lack of artistry. So have you ever thought about Anna Shcherbakova?Anna had quads too before her injury and i think it's very possible she gets them back until next season. and now my post: Anna has an amazing artistry. Imagine her doing a program with quads, and she will be absolutely unbeatable!

 

[madison]

Sasha did amazing no question. As i read all the posts the most complain about Sasha is the lack of artistry. So have you ever thought about Anna Shcherbakova?Anna had quads too before her injury and i think it's very possible she gets them back until next season. and now my post: Anna has an amazing artistry. Imagine her doing a program with quads, and she will be absolutely unbeatable!

We shall see... Anna is not so much athletic as Sasha. I don't know if she can cope with quads and all other jumps. She needs to gain some muscle before doing quads on a regular basis, I'd say.

 

[puremagic]

We shall see... Anna is not so much athletic as Sasha. I don't know if she can cope with quads and all other jumps. She needs to gain some muscle before doing quads on a regular basis, I'd say.

Ability to jump quads not necessary requires athletic body as Sasha's. In Anna's case I think her long legs are her advantage, here's pretty solid combination from the last year.

 

[madison]

Ability to jump quads not necessary requires athletic body as Sasha's. In Anna's case I think her long legs are her advantage, here's pretty solid combination from the last year.

Usually long legs are not an advantage for jumping. Anna rotates fast and this helped with the quad. But without an athletic body I don't see how someone can have the endurance to carry on a program as that of Sasha.

 

[Shayuki]

We shall see... Anna is not so much athletic as Sasha. I don't know if she can cope with quads and all other jumps. She needs to gain some muscle before doing quads on a regular basis, I'd say.

Just needs to get back to last season's level at least for 4T. It's very economical. It's not like Sasha's, it just is the size of a triple jump and should therefore just require the effort of a triple jump.

Usually long legs are not an advantage for jumping. Anna rotates fast and this helped with the quad. But without an athletic body I don't see how someone can have the endurance to carry on a program as that of Sasha.

It's about being thin and Anna has the best aerial rotation position I've seen(Unlike Sasha for whom it's not very great).

 

[puremagic]

While junior season is over, let's think about other ladies. [emoji848]

Sasha Trusova - may learn 4lz and 3A.
Anna Shcherbakova - may regain 4T and learn 4Lz.
Alena Kostornaia - may learn 3A/4S/4T.
Daria Panenkova - may learn 3A, not sure about quads.
Anastasia Tarakanova - I feel sad about Nastya. She could have been here at JW and win the bronze medal, but nope. I don't know why judges don't see wow factor in her skating at all. I guess she may try 4 loop or 4 lutz. Just watch her program at JGPF. This is an amazing program, and look how low her GOE's on her gorgeous spins, and how low her PCS.

 

[Tolstoj]

While junior season is over, let's think about other ladies. [emoji848]

Sasha Trusova - may learn 4lz and 3A.
Anna Shcherbakova - may regain 4T and learn 4Lz.
Alena Kostornaia - may learn 3A/4S/4T.
Daria Panenkova - may learn 3A, not sure about quads.
Anastasia Tarakanova - I feel sad about Nastya. She could have been here at JW and win the bronze medal, but nope. I don't know why judges don't see wow factor in her skating at all. I guess she may try 4 loop or 4 lutz. Just watch her program at JGPF. This is an amazing program, and look how low her GOE's on her gorgeous spins, and how low her PCS.

For some reason i don't want all these girls to attempt quads expect maybe Trusova.

I don't think Daria Panenkova should learn a quad, it doesn't seem a jump she could be comfortable with, same goes for Tarakanova.

While Kostornaya could do the 3A but honestly would you like to see it at the cost of a compromised artistry? me personally no. She should work more on the second mark by working on even more beautiful programs and the outside edge on the lutz.

Same thing Shcherbakova: she got injured because of it, her programs are already beautiful without quads.

 

[plushyfan]

Shimmy!

How adorable she is! I love her reactions in K&C!

 

[atsumiri]

While Kostornaya could do the 3A but honestly would you like to see it at the cost of a compromised artistry?

I don't see how 3A can compromise her artistry.
And she has HUGE 2a! same goes to Sasha.

2A statistic

 

[Shayuki]

Trusova-Akatieva Salchow rotation speed comparison: https://streamable.com/wea3g

Yeah... Notable that Trusova also jumps towards the right while Akatieva jumps straight towards the camera.

 

[puremagic]

I don't see how 3A can compromise her artistry.
And she has HUGE 2a! same goes to Sasha.

2A statistic

Akatieva's rotation speed...

 

[Shayuki]

While Kostornaya could do the 3A but honestly would you like to see it at the cost of a compromised artistry?
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Same thing Shcherbakova: she got injured because of it, her programs are already beautiful without quads.

How would it compromise Kostornaia's artistry? Because she wouldn't fully backload anymore? Hrm... The Lutz already compromises her artistry but you don't want her to stop doing it, right?

As for Shcherbakova, she got injured on a loop combo not on a quad.

 

[Tolstoj]

How would it compromise Kostornaia's artistry? Because she wouldn't fully backload anymore? Hrm... The Lutz already compromises her artistry but you don't want her to stop doing it, right?

As for Shcherbakova, she got injured on a loop combo not on a quad.

When you don't have these difficult jumps, you can focus on everything else like the 7 triples, spins, steps sequence. But with a quad or a 3a, the first 5-10 seconds are just a preparation for that jump with no choreography in between, and also due to difficulty of that element she may not have the stamina to skate the rest of the program with the same quality she'd do normally.

I mean look at Trusova's FS after those 2 quads. She totally rushed that steps sequence, and she was skating behind the music.

The lutz is not compromising her artistry, her entry on that jump is all speed, transitions and choreography even after, so yes she has to fix the flat edge but she doesn't look nervous for that jump.