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Isn’t that a Salchow
No that's the 4T, you can clearly see her toe pick going in for the jump. It looks pre rotated but she does it so fast.
Isn’t that a Salchow
Exactly. She's in the history books! Shoma's 4F has some pre-rotation on it but according to ISU standards today it is ratifiable, and so - like Trusova - he is also in the history books for being the first to execute the 2nd hardest quad jump ever in his discipline.
No that's the 4T, you can clearly see her toe pick going in for the jump. It looks pre rotated but she does it so fast.
No pre-rotation past 180 degrees in the slightest(at 30 fps). That's probably the best 4T I've ever seen by far. Of hers, I mean.
1 frame after her pick leaves the ice it's barely rotated and it's so high up that it must have left the ice during the earlier portions of the frame, which means it's very close to the pre-rotation of the last frame her pick's on the ice, which was clearly within 180 degrees. It's not that hard to see in this case, it's pretty apparent which frame it is that her pick last touches the ice. Even the next frame the pick's not rotated a whole lot. It's really a pain to constantly make these videos though to prove people wrong. Please watch them frame by frame.That's hard to tell in a 30fps vid from that far away, but for all intents and purposes it is a great attempt and good on her for pulling that out in a gala.
180 degrees of pre-rotation is allowed and even typical for these jumps. A quad is 3.25 revolutions, not 4.OK, so she starts the rotation at 0:03, but her blade doesn't leave the ice until 0:06. I counted 3 rotations from 0:06 - 0:10, 0:16, 0:20...and then half a rotation. So what am I missing?
Mirai's also the first skater to do an 8-triple program at the Olympics
You don't have to preach like that. Did I generalize about all "Americans", local posters included? But one should be color-blinded to not to see that whatever new success Eteri's students have there are massive sour grapes coming from "fans" from unspecified countries. While even a small success of an American like Ting (whom I liked by the way a lot) has major cheers and support. The opposite is also true. Injuries happen. But injuries in Eteri's camp have immediate reaction on her "inhuman practices".
What would the reaction be if Rika nailed 2 3As? Would I or any other known Russian here speculate about how unsafe it is? No way - we would praise and support her effort as landing to 3As in one program would be a big feat, indeed.
There was no big outcry about Nathan Chen's adding one quad after another. Although he is known to be injury-prone. So much was said about "evil Eteri making Pitkeev break his back" while everybody just wishes Krasnozhon to get better. And even if he did break his ankle as he said himself do we expect massive outcry about greedy coaches making a junior jump all this quads?
I would be happy if the same attitude: celebrating success and wishing the best when injured - applied equally to every skater from every country here. It's not the case and don't try to convince me otherwise - too many examples. And they are all concentrated around Eteri and her skaters even not the Russians in general.
3A is useful if you can skate the rest on the very high level, which is not the case here. How much has she got with clean 3A, 137 points? That's still low for today's standards, where you have to score 145+ to have chances for podium. That's just a simple fact and not like i'm trying to bash someone.
Mao did but got like 5 UR calls. Mirai should have got 2-3 UR calls but anyway....Wasn't Mao the first?
There was no big outcry about Nathan Chen's adding one quad after another. Although he is known to be injury-prone. So much was said about "evil Eteri making Pitkeev break his back" while everybody just wishes Krasnozhon to get better. And even if he did break his ankle as he said himself do we expect massive outcry about greedy coaches making a junior jump all this quads?
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But to be honest, all elite sports aren’t healthy for your body in the long run. The big question is, do the skaters want to medal or not? Who are more willing to sacrifice and suffer to get the results they want? A cake every day or a medal to remember for the rest of your life? I’d choose a cake every day and that’s why I am no elite athlete.Americans do worry about what happens to girls (and ladies) because we have seen such injuries among our own skaters.
Tara Lipinski retired immediately after her OGM because repetitive practice of her 3lo+3lo over the last two years of her competitive seasons caused a painful hip injury. She joined Stars on Ice and within a year had to have surgery on her hip.
Michelle Kwan had the exact same injury in the year leading up to the 2006 Olympics and though she tried to grin and bear the pain, she finally had to withdraw after the opening ceremonies. She had been competing as a senior from the age of 13 until 26, 13 years in all. Once she won her first World Championship in 1996, she competed not only in the GP and Worlds, but in every made-for-TV and international competition of note. She did this every year from 1996 through 2001, but after 2002 Worlds, she noted that all that skating was taking a toll on her body. After that, she did just one GP, Skate America, per year, and usually just one made-for-TV event, then Worlds. By 2005, she had stopped doing the 3 loop and layback spins. She withdrew from Skate America 2005 and US Nationals because of injury but requested a bye to the Olympics, which was granted. Ultimately, she had to withdraw, and shortly afterward had surgery on her hip.
Other skaters who have had this same injury include Naomi Nari Nam and most recently, Alissa Czisny. Alissa claimed she didn't have pain from the injury, but she just couldn't complete jumps. When she was diagnosed, she had the surgery and tried to return from surgery and compete once again. But at a preseason competition, she fell on a jump and was unable to get up. Her hip had failed her once again and she had to have another surgery. She now does exhibition skating only, with no jumps.
And then there are skaters from other countries who have had other injuries for other reasons. Satoko Miyahara had a broken hip which apparently was caused because she had leukopenia, a weakening of the bones caused by poor nutrition. Normally conditions like leukopenia are found in the elderly and sometimes in dancers, who tend to starve themselves to stay superthin. But it is also a danger for very young skaters whose coaches keep them on strict diets to stave off puberty. They may stay thin and be able to jump longer, but they may also be more susceptible to breaks in hips or limbs when they fall, and skaters will fall in practice, no matter how good they are.
looking at Trusova now, I can see she is muscular, her thigh and legs are right in height and muscular, they are not bambi legs. I think she has good chance of landing the quad jumps for more years to come if healthy. Beijing will be lucky for her as she will still be 17-18 and she wont change that much.
Or, a song by Crystal Gayle! http://oi67.tinypic.com/15rbgud.jpgNext program is going to be 'Hair' or the Tangled Soundtrack. :gclap:
Mao did but got like 5 UR calls. Mirai should have got 2-3 UR calls but anyway....
How can you score 145+ when judges give you 64 PCS and low GOEs? I wonder why when someone scores low people think immediately that it is because he/she was technically bad.
It is time for her choreographer and coach to step up! Trusova is a genius skater. But her current program is not genius. Give her a masterpiece she deserves skating to. She can handle anything!!!
How can you score 145+ when judges give you 64 PCS and low GOEs? I wonder why when someone scores low people think immediately that it is because he/she was technically bad.