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2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

Bluediamonds09 said:
Poor Guliakova is working so hard but isn’t getting love from the federation. Wondering if she’ll receive a jgp spot at all.☹️
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Probably yes - I suppose next year they will do same as they did this year: give everybody one spot, and then second one only to ones that may get into JGPF
 
Step Sequence4 said:
There’s been some videos posted recently of Sofia Chapylgina doing 4Lo,4S & 3A in the harness. I think her loop is quite exciting seeing a lady doing one. They all look pretty clean to me at least. I know this is off topic but thought it would cool to post here, She’s one of Plushenko’s students.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgU5TY3AwyY/?taken-by=skater_on_ice
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgU5P72AFJo/?taken-by=skater_on_ice
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgU5MFEA5cc/?taken-by=skater_on_ice
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another laughable advertisement video from the same "academy". you can clearly see that the guy puts a lot of effort to pull her up.
chaplygina UR 80% of her triples, and they want to convince us that she is able to jump a 4Lo
 
Step Sequence4 said:
There’s been some videos posted recently of Sofia Chapylgina doing 4Lo,4S & 3A in the harness. I think her loop is quite exciting seeing a lady doing one. They all look pretty clean to me at least. I know this is off topic but thought it would cool to post here, She’s one of Plushenko’s students.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgU5TY3AwyY/?taken-by=skater_on_ice
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgU5P72AFJo/?taken-by=skater_on_ice
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgU5MFEA5cc/?taken-by=skater_on_ice
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Air time on the 3A was 22 frames.
Air time on the 4S was 21 frames.
Air time on the 4Lo was 20 frames and I don't think it was rotated.

For the sake of comparison, Trusova's quad air time is 19 frames. And good luck getting more lift than her.


In short - This is a totally pointless "achievement". Anyone can jump 3As and quads if the harness makes them float for such a long time.

Ah, right. Rotation speed. It's by quick estimation around 4.8 revolutions per second which is about average for a junior's triple jump. Looking at the chart, Maxim Kovtun's 4T has 4.78 revolutions per second when it comes to rotation speed, which is the slowest I can see for a quad. But if you look at Kovtun's 4T:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf23SyrQf18&t=87s

He couldn't even rotate it fully around and note the lift. That is 22 frames of air time.
 
puremagic said:
How do you all define skating skills? I, for example, just notice when skaters' blades like smeared with glue, if you know what I mean. It looks like they have full control and mastery. Melkumova, Tarakanova, Kostornaia, Gubanova, I would say I also see mastery skating from three Panova's girls, not the best gliding, but control is very nice. But Dmitrieva's skating look average and worse than Moroz's.

What am I missing? 🤔
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Maybe it's because I was watching Liza B. before watching Maria D. yesterday, the difference was striking. Rewatching Maria D. after Melkumova... alright I see your point.

Efficient crossovers are of course demonstration of good skating skills but I don't usually make conclusions when I have only seen the crossovers. If I were to choose a single move that differentiates good and bad SS the most, I would choose the loop over crossovers.

Might be a bit late for the party, but here is my personal checklist when I look at StSq
  • Momentum
  • Effort and hence posture
  • Deep edges with precision

Momentum - maintenance of speed or even accelerate during footwork. The best way to assess this is to look at a series of turns. Good example here is Tarakanova. She has breathtaking speed even at the end of a series of one-footed skating. She does not require "filler" strokes to regain momentum. This whole level 4 step sequence took a grand total of 36 seconds, reflecting how fast and precise she is.

Effort and posture - Effort is reflected in posture during footwork. When executing difficult one-foot turns, skaters often use their upper body to assist and "pull" their lower body, or worse, kick around their free-leg to gain momentum.Compare Kostornaia to Tarakanova. These two girls both have marvellous SS but Kostornaia has better upper body control than Tarakanova, and this is where the GOE differ. Compare both girls with Scherbakova. Here you see what I mean by upper body pulling (upper body twists before blade turns) and more obviously, free leg kicking. You also see less speed and more filler strokes in her step sequence.

Deep edges with precision - big round curves during turns. Compare Gubanova with Kostornaia. Gubanova has deeper edge and less effort than Kostornaia - Kostornaia and Tarakanova still need to swing their free leg during turns, but Gubanova can execute a series of turn just by her knee and ankle, there's no need of upper body effort or free leg movement. Just as Yulia Lipniskaya commented during Russian Nationals, skating after Gubanova makes Kostornaia's skating appear junior. Deep edge itself does not mean much alone, but the ability to allow their blade to go 45[SUP]o[/SUP] to the ice surface without their upper body looking awkward or cautious does tell a lot.

Another example of an SS monster.
 
Several things I don't agree with... An important one being the difference between "being unable to" vs "deciding not to". For example, those turns by Gubanova "with just the ankle and the knee" are performed with very slow speed and she cannot maintain momentum at all. She's almost at a standstill by the time she's done. Kostornaia maintains much stronger speed and barely loses any momentum. So does she use the swing because it allows her to maintain such momentum? And why would it be better to not use it if she would lose momentum just like Gubanova does? I think there's a very big difference between not doing something and being unable to do something. And in my opinion looking at simply one thing like that, especially as a binary function without considering any other qualities is just not accurate.

I'll also mention body types and center of gravity. You just cannot expect a skater with Shcherbakova's frame to do the same things a skater with Gubanova's frame can. That's just physics and the weight that needs to be altered is in very different locations.


Speaking of 45 degree outside edges, I wonder how many degrees Melkumova's are.
 
so shayuki is trying to convince us now that kosornaia has better SS than gubanova?:laugh:
i was laughing so hard, when he tried to diminish skating skills of my baby (and i thank you all for wearing her avatars) and bringed alena's as an example of amazing SS.
but no. alena has weak skating skills. just like shcherbakova, or marin honda, or any other girl that people usally use as an example of great SS just because a girl has beatiful arms or musicality (like armchair experts from TSL who are saying that "posture is a part of skating skills)). alena can't even do a level 4 StSq for gods sake, and people are still talking about her SS and how my baby is nowhere close to her
and look at my baby doing StSq at the age of 12. and she can do even better than this in 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmSZl5Fygs4&index=7&list=LLoBdjgfzmxMxlrHyP0dfkBA
good luck to alena in learning to skate like my baby
 
tjb said:
so shayuki is trying to convince us now that kosornaia has better SS than gubanova?:laugh:
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she is. At least at this season.
This season Gubanova made 2 steps back in all of her SS aspects. She used to be much better than what she's showing in this season.
 
atsumiri said:
she is. At least at this season.
This season Gubanova made 2 step back in all of her SS aspects. She used to be much better than what she's showing in this season.
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Is it confirmed that she is moving to Buyanova?
I really want her to succeed. She's to much of a talent to be wasted like this.
 
By the way, earlier you went on and on about Shcherbakova and her 1 minute + step sequence and requiring such a long step sequence to hit lvl 4 but as I went through it, she cleared lvl 4 in the first 21 seconds of the step sequence.

tjb said:
so shayuki is trying to convince us now that kosornaia has better SS than gubanova?:laugh:
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Gubanova's very slow in comparison and the skating's much more laboured than Kostornaia. But that still wasn't the point. The point was to not just consider one thing and to try and consider other soirts of reasoning outside of "She can't do that".
 
tjb said:
no, she's not. this is the best StSq i've ever seen from her
https://youtu.be/L_JulOCA2p0?t=52
and it's way better than anything that alena ever showed
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What I miss there are the pretty choctaws Kostornaia has. Actually, I think I noticed now why Kostornaia didn't get lvl 4 steps for her SP's step sequence, as the second Choctaw isn't correct. But the ones she attempts are much more ambitious than Gubanova's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPFDeSSCj_s&t=116s

And comparing the step sequences otherwise... Well, I just don't see this "way better than anything" stuff. To me Kostornaia's is quite a bit better in several aspects.
 
Shayuki said:
Gubanova's very slow in comparison and the skating's much more laboured than Kostornaia. But that still wasn't the point. The point was to not just consider one thing and to try and consider other soirts of reasoning outside of "She can't do that".
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gubanova has problems with the stamina, but she's nowhere near being slow even in the FS. actually in the SP she skates faster than alena, usually in the SP she skates about 50-70 meters more in distance in comparison to kostornaia, while doing less crossovers. your assumptions are not based on anything
 
tjb said:
gubanova has problems with the stamina, but she's nowhere near being slow even in the FS. actually in the SP she skates faster than alena, usually in the SP she skates about 50-70 meters more in distance in comparison to kostornaia, while doing less crossovers. your assumptions are not based on anything
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very funny joke) :laugh:
 
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