2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating
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Oh , she grew very much. I remember for her Swan Lake program some years ago...
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WHO ARE ALL THESE GIRLS???!!??? All of a sudden I’m on the Russian ladies thread and everyone is posting about girls who aren’t old enough to compete junior. So, is there a novice competition going on right now? Is there a “younger age” junior competition going on? Who is that girl doing the illusion trick combination spin?
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Yes to the first bolded, no to the second.
There are several talented ladies but I really doubt any of them will be able to compete with skaters like Trusova, Shcherbakova and perhaps even Kostornaia in the near future. When it comes to the future, Sofia Akatieva's the most talented skater in history(By far). Then there of course is someone like Zagitova who's quite good herself.
Something like Gubanova and Buyanova - I'm just not buying this combination's success. Perhaps it'll increase Gubanova's PCS but that's not really what she needs. She just won't be able to compete without rock solid jumps.
I think it'll just be a couple of years until every major international competition will have three Eteri girls.
She won Russian younger novice(11 and less years old) championships a year ago, she's hardly an unknown. If you meant Kamila Valieva.
And yeah, the championships have been going on during this week. That one's from just a local, however.
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Russian Nationals Younger Age comp is going on right now (or just finished?), which is basically novices.
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it's finished. akatieva won
it's a wrong thread, but can somebody explain american system to me? what's novices, juvenile etc
in russia it's all clear and divided by age, like "the younger age nationals" it's a nationals for 10-11 yo girls. but what is novices? i remeber that i read something about 13-14 yo girls competing in novices. is this a competions where triple jumps are not allowed? and if so why they are forbidding triples for older girls, it doesn't seems like a great idea to me
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Aah, the results from the first day of the local are out.
So Melkumova got an actually rotated 3T. And she still is 8 years old so she manages to join the club. Yahhoo.
Kamila Valieva with over 70 points for that SP... If only she had skated like that during the qualifiers. She didn't even manage to qualify for the championships. The level there was rather weak, I believe that Valieva could even have won or at least placed in top 2 if she skated her best. Well, there's always next year. Although... Wait a second. Next year Akatieva's in that category. Yeah, I guess Valieva is not going to win that elder age category until becoming junior eligible.
So Melkumova got an actually rotated 3T. And she still is 8 years old so she manages to join the club. Yahhoo.
Kamila Valieva with over 70 points for that SP... If only she had skated like that during the qualifiers. She didn't even manage to qualify for the championships. The level there was rather weak, I believe that Valieva could even have won or at least placed in top 2 if she skated her best. Well, there's always next year. Although... Wait a second. Next year Akatieva's in that category. Yeah, I guess Valieva is not going to win that elder age category until becoming junior eligible.
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Yes Ksenia Melkumova!!!! How was the rest of her program?
Valieva's SP was really quite good, a real masterpiece. A shame she can't put two clean programs together when it matters most. Does Samodelkina go into that category next year, or is it the whole trio?
Valieva's SP was really quite good, a real masterpiece. A shame she can't put two clean programs together when it matters most. Does Samodelkina go into that category next year, or is it the whole trio?
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I believe 2007s go into that category and there's quite a bunch of them. But what I don't quite understand is that there's "elder age" and "younger age" for the "younger age" championships, which I assume is Novice and Advanced Novice. But then there's the separate "elder age" championships, which is for junior skaters and has junior programs. But then there also is the actual Russian junior championships... Ugh. Well, the more championships there are, the better it is for the viewers. I guess.
As for Melkumova, didn't look as smooth as sometimes, I'd say. Still good though. It's here.
As I see it, younger age nationals are equal to novice. They are divided at older age and yonger age, which is older novice (advanced novice) and younger novice.
Juniors have their own championship same as in most countries. Elder age nationals is sort of ‘second’ junior national championships, mostly as another opportunity for those who did not do that great and want another chance of trying to get on junior team. It doesn’t seem to be taken by the federation as seriously as the mainstream junior championships, (what I mean is first place at the junior championships is not equal to first place at elder age championships). Those who did well at junior championships do not usually need to compete at elder age championships, so the level of skating at the elder age championships is usually lower than at junior championships. But getting the medal there get the skaters noticed, invited to the test skates and placed into junior reserve team or novice team. The good thing about having another junior championships is that if someone misses the first half of the season because of injury, they still have a chance of getting on the team for the next season by attending the second junior nationals. In most countries if someone misses the first half of the season, they couldn’t qualify to the nationals, and even if they are healthy the second half of the season, they may not have the opportunity to get on the team for the next season.
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I was thinking --- anyone know why Russia isn't fielding more of their girls into pairs or dance? There's so many talented ladies that girls with consistently clean skating can't get a JGP and yet pairs girls who get JGPs and make the JGPF don't have stable triples!
I guess not every girl is keen to be thrown up while hoping to be caught. Over the years I have seen many accidents, e.g. a girl was not caught from twist, falling from two metres height down on the ice, or a girl falling from a lift, or getting injured in a fall from throw... While in many cases it ended well, it hurt but there was no serious injury, I guess I don’t think we can blame them for deciding not to do it. Saying that, Russian junior pairs are strongest from the last 10-15 years. I think the state of ladies skating had an impact on the pairs, more girls with jumps are going to pairs and while in the past it was quite common that junior pairs had only doubles (although there were exceptions), now it is exception when junior pair doesn’t have at least one triple. Panfilova/Rylov was the only Russian junior pair this season who was succesful without triples, and that was only because all their other elements are of a very high standard.
With regards to ice dance, it seems to me that it has some negative connotation for skaters. For example, Soloviev mentioned that he was having a hard time as a kid, because not only he was a skater, but he did ice dance (as if doing ice dance was perceived to be even less than just skating). It is possible that ice dance is seen as the softer option, for those who can’t jump, so even though as a discipline it is hard, it is not perceived hard. In that case the skaters who want to switch would be those who feel they are not good enough in singles rather than having ice dance as a first option.
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Hmm, true
I was really hoping to see Alisa Lozko succeed at ice dance--her skating skills and soft, elegant interpretation are just divine
I was really hoping to see Alisa Lozko succeed at ice dance--her skating skills and soft, elegant interpretation are just divine
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I had the same question. While Eteri's girls do consistently all kinds of crazy combos the best pair ladies cannot do simple triples. My conspiracy theory was that there is a rivalry between Eteri and Mozer. I remember how before Sochi there were movies about Mozer and her school. Of course, she had V/T and then S/K. But now it's all about Eteri - I don't remember any recent videos or TV programs about Mozer. So the logical cooperation: first Eteri trains the girls to jump and then together with Mozer decides who will go to pairs won't materialize because of this rivalry.
However, there were objections to my conspiracy theory: people claimed that as girls start to do pairs they tend to lose the jumps. I don't know why this should be like that but I also can't challenge this statement.
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In principle you are trying to do SBS jumps with a reasonable amount of synchronization. Jumps are mostly about timing and setup more than anything. Everyone’s is somewhat different, but they are supposed to be (ideally) the same in pairs. You try to pair up people that are already kind-of similar, but both people are going to have to re-tool their jumps a bit. That weakens them since you are using (and now accustomed to) a technique that isn’t really your natural flow. So, yes, your jumps are weaker then. That’s why it’s actually impressive how easily Marchei went into pairs!
There is several reasons why girls could lose jumps when they move to pairs. Firstly, puberty. They often move to pairs around the age of 12-13 years old, so puberty comes within a year or a few years, for someone earlier, for others later. Secondly, in pairs the side by side jumps are only two elements out of many elements in the FS. Which means that the skater who has been doing singles and working on jumps most of their practice time will suddenly have to spend much more time working on other elements. Especially after moving to pairs, they have so many new elements to learn that jumps get pushed to the bottom of the list. Unfortunately jumps need to be practiced regularly and if they are neglected, the skater then struggles to land them. And third reason why the girls can lose their jumps is from emotional reasons. I noticed that happening often in an abusive environment, such as in Pavlova’s group. Jumps are influenced by confidence and as the girl loses confidence, the jumps become inconsistent.
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Very well said hanca, I'd also add, that:
- Novice Nationals "Younger age" is basically U11 (this year kids b. 2007 and later)
- Novice Nationals "Older age" is basically U13 (this year kids b. 2005-2006)
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Eteri is helping Darya Pavlyuchenko with her jumps.
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I hope Kamila Valieva will move to Eteri to gain some consistency
