Sad Article about Zagitova's Eating Habits

[kimi492]

It is too simplistic to reduce the complex relationship between food, eating habits, health to lower calories = lower nutrition.

There's a lot of scientific studies out there.

You can eat a 2000 calories cake and your body's needs for nutrition are not met, and it is starving. You can die from this diet.

Whereas eating a 800 calorie diet with lots of colorful fresh organic vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein of various kinds is vastly superior to a conventional high calorie (1600+) diet of meat, dairy and potatoes.

Of course but 800 calories of healthy foods is still way too low - I just told u above what these types of diets are used for and the health risks involved it’s ridiculous Eteri is making/allowing this for Alina

 

[qwertyskates]

Of course but 800 calories of healthy foods is still way too low - I just told u above what these types of diets are used for and the health risks involved it’s ridiculous Eteri is making/allowing this for Alina

Personally, I've been on this type of diet since my teens...maybe since when I was little due to a smaller appetite, yet I've always been tall for my age but look younger than my peers.

It wasn't a conscious choice until I moved to the US for many years and was horrified by how my body changed.

I'm now back to my old normal since I stopped eating processed food, and natural foods like vegetables are naturally low in calories, or high but filling like avocado and nuts. Even the high calorie foods are lower in calories than a cupcake or a frappucino and pack more nutrients. I am considered thin but I feel in a good state of health. I haven't seen a doctor except for an injury in 10+ years.

What's interesting in the studies I posted is that lower calories consumption = lower night metabolism.

Athletes are constantly in a high metabolism state during training, it might be beneficial for them to get into a lower metabolism state at rest so the cellular level wear and tear are reduced. The daily 20% reduction adds up over years. They achieve this with a restricted calorie diet. Again key is adequate nutrients and calories, but it might have more benefits than widely known.

 

[plushyfan]

Alina has a habit of snacking on chocolate when she gets hungry before or after practice but she does not eat anything after dark at all. She only drinks tea for dinner to control her weight and she thinks that the weight gain is detrimental to her jumps.



In Moscow, Alina lives with her grandmother who cooks meals for her and she's well taken care of. In the TV footage I watched, she described above while sitting at a dinner table, which was full of delicious-looking dishes, and her grandmother urged to her to take a bite.

I read about it... I think the article in OP just a garbage in Russian media. Some journalists like to make scandals, like to make sensation on the famous persons.

 

[kimi492]

Personally, I've been on this type of diet since my teens...maybe since when I was little due to a smaller appetite, yet I've always been tall for my age but look younger than my peers.

It wasn't a conscious choice until I moved to the US for many years and was horrified by how my body changed.

I'm now back to my old normal since I stopped eating processed food, and I am considered thin but I feel in a good state of health. I haven't seen a doctor except for an injury in 10+ years.

No offense to you, but an anecdote isn’t evidence of a correlation between low calories and good health, research and evidence-based practice is. 800 calories is considered a very low calorie diet and is dangerous - which is why those who go on it are closely monitored by their doctor and only do so on a short-term basis - it’s not sustainable.
Just for reference, American POWs in German prison camps were given around 700 calories a day - literally the bare minimum to survive

 

[Holy Headband]

It’s been obvious for years that Eteri starves her students. What I didn’t realise until opening this thread was that there were so many people with eating disorders on here.

 

[qwertyskates]

No offense to you, but an anecdote isn’t evidence of a correlation between low calories and good health, research and evidence-based practice is. 800 calories is considered a very low calorie diet and is dangerous - which is why those who go on it are closely monitored by their doctor and only do so on a short-term basis - it’s not sustainable.

Yet you prefer to ignore the many studies I posted from reputable news media like the BBC and US science magazines. :sarcasm:

 

[kimi492]

Yet you prefer to ignore the many studies I posted from reputable news media like the BBC and US science magazines. :sarcasm:

Do you even read the articles you posted? They are not peer reviewed studies. The BBC one is not based on a study, has 0 sources linked, and even at the end of the article it says do NOT use this as medical advice - that the content is general information. The Mother Nurture one links to a New Scientist article that is based off a study whose DOI is not on the internet that says cutting 15% of calories may extend lifespan due to interactions with sleep. I cannot even find the study so I have no idea it’s legitimate or what calorie count they reduced from. However, you’re delusional if you think they were starting from around in the upper 900s which is what would equal around 800 if you took 15%. The average adult does not eat than few of calories - they were most likely working off the 2000 calories a day standard - which would be 1,700 calories a day.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Are we really having a conversation in here like a growing girl only eating 800 calories is healthy??
I can guarantee you not only is she not getting the proper nutrients - but she’s starving herself. These type of diets (800 calories for example) are used by doctors for the morbidly obese who are at the point it has become life-threatening. It’s absolutely absurd for a girl who looks like she weighs 80 pounds soaking wet to be on this kind of diet - there are extreme health risks involved including heart problems, gallstones, etc.
It’s not a coincidence Yulia also had an eating disorder - Eteri is starving these girls for glory and fame at the very real reality that they could lose their health and their lives.

Don’t misquote me in this elusive manor. I did the exact opposite of suggesting anyone should have an 800 calorie diet. I said a smoothie can have that many calories, can help supplement after excercise to decrease the need for large meals and yes can supplement meals but in no way did I suggest it should replace all meals. In fact I said the opposite. Sometimes I get stuck at the rink or work for several hours and a smoothie can be a great way to grab energy and and nutrients. You really should watch with gossip and accusations. It’s dangerous if untrue and someone could read it and think it’s accurate and mimicking it. The power of suggest is strong with some people. :think:

My goal is to attain facts...you’re simply gossiping and spreading unproven accusations as absolute fact.

 

[kimi492]

Don’t misquote me in this elusive manor. I did the exact opposite of suggesting anyone should have an 800 calorie diet. I said a smoothie can have that many calories, can help supplement after excercise to decrease the need for large meals and yes can supplement meals but in no way did I suggest it should replace all meals. In fact I said the opposite. Sometimes I get stuck at the rink or work for several hours and a smoothie can be a great way to grab energy and and nutrients. You really should watch with gossip and accusations. It’s dangerous if untrue and someone could read it and think it’s accurate and mimicking it. The power of suggest is strong!

I wasn’t quoting you directly or I would have quoted you with a direct response - it was several people mentioning and discussing 800 calories.
Also I agree I have no idea if Alina is actually eating 800 calories a day, my only point is it’s dangerous if she is doing so.

 

[tars]

I cant believe you can't see a huge hole in your thinking. I assume skaters start their serious training at 7yo. Hard to believe that any coach knows how girls body will develop during next 10 years. You can make some predictions based on mother/father/grands body but it is far from science. But maybe you know more. Please tell me how you can predict growth of 10yo body.

ps. I like your joke that one photo from internet means people can predict growth of human body and select only with good body

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D43FPK/elena-radionova-rus-march-3-2013-figure-skating-isu-world-junior-figure-D43FPK.jpg Radionova 2013

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/KENWK2/moscow-russia-credit-matsuo-21st-oct-2017-elena-radionova-rus-figure-KENWK2.jpg Radionova 2017

I've listened to numerous Russian fs coaches' interviews and learned that they can predict quite well kid's development.
They mentioned many factors, like body shape, bones thickness, parents silhouettes, etc..

Secondly, I gave an example of a special physical specimen in Yuna Kim, whose body didn't change that immensely after puberty, so if an early stage coach is not chasing bucks or applying favouritism AND has big skaters pool she/he can potentially select exqusite athlete.
And what does your picture of Radionova prove? Do you know, if she eats healthy now? Do you know how her parents look like? Even, if she keeps sporting diet, which I seriously doubt and both of her parents look like supermodels, which I doubt as well, one may say, she's been already a successful athlete with plenty of medals and prize money, so she might have been selected properly in that sense. Figure skating careers have always been quite short.
So, your pics of Radionova might have several explanations, including that she's an exception - while my pictures of Yuna Kim prove one sure thing: there are skaters who can survive puberty fine without any health problems - the point is to SELECT THEM.

 

[r2d2]

I've listened to numerous Russian fs coaches' interviews and learned that they can predict quite well kid's development.
They mentioned many factors, like body shape, bones thickness, parents silhouettes, etc..

Secondly, I gave an example of a special physical specimen in Yuna Kim, whose body didn't change that immensely after puberty, so if an early stage coach is not chasing bucks or applying favouritism AND has big skaters pool she/he can potentially select exqusite athlete.
And what does your picture of Radionova prove? Do you know, if she eats healthy now? Do you know how her parents look like? Even, if she keeps sporting diet, which I seriously doubt and both of her parents look like supermodels, which I doubt as well, one may say, she's been already a successful athlete with plenty of medals and prize money, so she might have been selected properly in that sense. Figure skating careers have always been quite short.
So, your pics of Radionova might have several explanations, including that she's an exception - while my pictures of Yuna Kim prove one sure thing: there are skaters who can survive puberty fine without any health problems - the point is to SELECT THEM.

Radionova's photos prove that you can't predict how female skater body will change after puberty. and that selection is more about coordination. They picked Radionova because she was good when was young. Don't speculate about her diet

Figure skating isnt about selecting those who will be fine after puberty(they use different criteria). It is about fast success.

ps. Supermodel parents are obctacle in figure skating, too tall. Parents must be short and tiny. Genes.

taking one the greatest skaters of all time according to many people isn't good start to make any theories. the greatest are often anomalies.

 

[Miss Ice]

Of course but 800 calories of healthy foods is still way too low - I just told u above what these types of diets are used for and the health risks involved it’s ridiculous Eteri is making/allowing this for Alina

Exactly, considering how much calories she burns by skating and doing off-ice work/gym?? That's insane! Her actual energy expension vs. her caloric intake is massive, and this is extremely dangerous.

 

[Miss Ice]

I wasn’t quoting you directly or I would have quoted you with a direct response - it was several people mentioning and discussing 800 calories.
Also I agree I have no idea if Alina is actually eating 800 calories a day, my only point is it’s dangerous if she is doing so.

Some posters here are in deep denial and will deny anything they don't like to hear unless the skater themselves tells it to them, in person. And even then, they'd probably deny it.

 

[Lana05]

Exactly, considering how much calories she burns by skating and doing off-ice work/gym?? That's insane! Her actual energy expension vs. her caloric intake is massive, and this is extremely dangerous.

There isn't anything about 800 calories in article or smoosies or diet at all. Did anyone read it before typing this?? I read it in Russian and what is she is saying is just hyperbole...

This thread is about nothing and trying to make Eteri a monster

 

[Mathman]

Interviewer: It seems, that you have slightly grown in just three months.

Zagitova: Yes, there are difficulties with relation to this. I with my trainer looked at what we can slightly adjust/change in the technique, so that I won’t stay behind. This helps.

Regarding puberty, when you become fat – I think it’s all made up (imagination). You just need to close your mouth and stop eating. Or if you do, then a little. I eat, but at small amounts.

That's it? I try to stick to my diet?

 

[Miss Ice]

I can't believe so many people can't see the huge hole in their reasoning in this thread: SELECTION.

https://images2.imgbox.com/10/a4/tfyRx7h5_o.jpg

It's like some of you want to rant about anorexia, tyrrannic coaches, child abuse, etc., neglecting the simple fact, that these affect strictly selected skaters to a minimum extent.

Can you imagine Midori Ito having problem with anorexia?!

I think those two photos together a little bit misleading. The teenage Yuna photo is on her side, while the later photo is shown her twisting her body, which makes her body shape/size look exactly the same in comparison. But it's not. 2003 2014

 

[evasorange]

It's not about Orser, it's all about Vaitsekhovskaya. She is manipulative and she started to hate Eteri before it became mainstream

well I will be 100 percent honest and say I don't know who that is. But Eteri herself and her students has said quite a few things now that are definitely worrying/not normal so it doesn't surprise me that many people have issues with it

 

[millie]

I blame this on the parents or guardians for allowing this to happen. Win at all costs!! You would think that they would see what has happened to some of the young skaters from previous years...Abuse of children that don’t know the difference. Where are the adults in this situation?..oh my

 

[jenaj]

It is too simplistic to reduce the complex relationship between food, eating habits, health to lower calories = lower nutrition.

There're a lot of scientific studies out there about caloric restriction and aging.

You can eat a 2000 calories cake and your body's needs for nutrition are not met, and it is starving. You can die from this diet.

Whereas eating a 800 calorie diet with lots of colorful fresh organic vegetables, healthy fats and lean protein of various kinds is vastly superior to a conventional high calorie (1600+) diet of meat, dairy and potatoes.

The key isn't number of calories but quality of food nutrients.

I don't believe in protein shakes either, as a lot of nutrients in nature are processed out of those.

Calories are calories. You can't die from eating cake because it's high calorie (though the fat content may cause other health problems). If a young girl is eating only 800 calories a day and doing strenuous exercise like training for high-level competitive skating, she is starving. A diet like that is for someone who is overweight and wants to take off weight fast (not recommended).

 

[jenaj]

Radionova's photos prove that you can't predict how female skater body will change after puberty. and that selection is more about coordination. They picked Radionova because she was good when was young. Don't speculate about her diet

Figure skating isnt about selecting those who will be fine after puberty(they use different criteria). It is about fast success.

ps. Supermodel parents are obctacle in figure skating, too tall. Parents must be short and tiny. Genes.

taking one the greatest skaters of all time according to many people isn't good start to make any theories. the greatest are often anomalies.

(Responding to original post) There's something quite offensive about the idea of selecting young athletes based on how a coach or whoever thinks they will grow. It reminds me of selecting an animal for breeding. And you can't tell by parents--height is often a recessive gene so short parents can have tall or taller children.