Nathan Chen

[yyyskate]

I said the orient which includes China and its influence carried from the dynasties. Yes the posts on this forum displayed how upsetting it was to the posters which is fine, everyone’s taste and style is different. Thanks.
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I think this little white collar is one of the better one from Vera (so you are not alone), with this white collar design, it actually fits the theme-- a dancer come from China.
Most hate towards Vera's costumes design is that it somehow diminished (instead of enhance) some of Nathan's natural skating quality. such as swagger, abandonment in Nemesis and fluidity in his FS.
But fans always try to find something good in the bad. One fan even think that ugly Vanilla Vera top design somehow is inspired by piano black and white keys thus it is a little related to the piano tone of Nemesis

 

[yyyskate]

I hope Nathan can go to his dream school Harvard. Once I thought, if Harvard rejected Nathan, I would write an essay about what his true character as is in full display this season to plea for him

 

[Mamamiia]

yes, and looked how Nathan, as well as Shoma, Kayada's answer to ISU's possible rule change (maybe unreasonable, especially for Nathan)
They all said, they will adapt to the rule changes. instead of wining even a tiny bit.

While it's good to see the athletes showing a positive attitude, Raf as a coach to many, is in a different position. As far as I read, he was not complaining about the rule change itself, but how top coaches who spend many years in the field were completely left outside of this process.

 

[yyyskate]

Maybe it's time to guess which school is Nathan going to. Is he coming to the east coast? Although unlikely I will be thrilled if he goes to Columbia…then I will definitely spot him in local rinks.

just curious, are there rinks suitable for figure skating practice in or never Columbia University?

 

[sheetz]

just curious, are there rinks suitable for figure skating practice in or never Columbia University?

https://www.facebook.com/thescny.org/
Home club of the Shibs and Adam.

UCLA would also be a good choice, as it is strong academically and nearby. I think full time school will prove to be too much, but he can do it part time until 2022 and then transfer to Harvard.

 

[yyyskate]

While it's good to see the athletes showing a positive attitude, Raf as a coach to many, is in a different position. As far as I read, he was not complaining about the rule change itself, but how top coaches who spend many years in the field were completely left outside of this process.

that last part of the interview is confusing for me. I actually still confused about what Raf meant.

for the bolded part, I am not sure though, is it true? I would believe top coaches are part of figure skating community, some of them may even become officials after years of coaching experience. I would assume rule changes are based on feedbacks of all parties involved in figure skating community.
e.g. the new rule change is possibly propelled by the party represented by skaters/coaches/teams/officials that cannot do quads but with higher "components ability". maybe even feedback from certain public opinion that they do not wanna watch splatfest, which is unavoidable in quads-filled risky programs.

 

[Mamamiia]

just curious, are there rinks suitable for figure skating practice in or never Columbia University?

I know there are at least 3 rinks in new York, with one in downtown Manhattan and 2 in Queens. I have only been to the Manhattan one, it is beautifully located by Hudson River with nice facilities. It has separate rinks but is always crowded with skating schools, free style sessions, hocky games and events. I think the place is just too busy for him.

 

[sheetz]

Nathan gives a message to Japanese fans for SOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8i5ivI-dWTI&app=desktop

 

[Mamamiia]

that last part of the interview is confusing for me. I actually still confused about what Raf meant.

for the bolded part, I am not sure though, is it true? I would believe top coaches are part of figure skating community, some of them may even become officials after years of coaching experience. I would assume rule changes are based on feedbacks of all parties involved in figure skating community.
e.g. the new rule change is possibly propelled by the party represented by skaters/coaches/teams/officials that cannot do quads but with higher "components ability". maybe even feedback from certain public opinion that they do not wanna watch splatfest, which is unavoidable in quads-filled risky programs.

I read from a pre-OG interview https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/vaytskhovskayas-interview-with-arutyunian.102077/ and here is the quote:

"EV: If you talk about the quads the idea, AFAIK, came to the ISU from the president of the technical committee Fabio Biancetti.
RA: Did he ever coach?

EV: Good question.
RA: This is what I am talking about. You want to change the rules? Ok, why not ask someone who not only understands them but spent half a century near the boards? Did someone ask what does TAT think on the matter? Alexey Mishin? Me? Mishin have probably been coaching for 55 years, Tarasova - for more than 50, I'm working for 41 years. From the morning till the evening all we do is thinking about figure skating and how it should develop. At least ask our opinion to keep the face."

 

[frida80]

Without knowing all the details of the new rules, I would just assume everyone has to take out one jumping pass from their LP under their current layout.

And you know, Nathan would be at a huge disadvantage since he would need to take out either 3F+1/2L+3S or 4T since these are the lowest scoring passes (assuming 3A will be still a mandatory element).
Other top skaters would just take out a triple.

The first thing Nathan might need to work on is to be able to do 4T+1/2L+3S. That way, he would only need to take out 3F, similar as everyone else, and keeps his BV higher than everyone else.

He'll take out just the 3F but can tack on the 1/2Lo+3S on another quad. If you look at Trusova's FS at JW you can see how he can max out his points by doing +triple combos instead of doubles. Since he has all his quads, he can now do two 3Ts or upgrade to a 3Lo combo. He has a huge advantage over other skaters that only have two or three quads.

 

[yyyskate]

oh I totally see this now - even though Nemesis is now over, better late than never lol. Perhaps I was too hard on Vera - but her choices - even the haircut which ended up growing out to the perfect clean-cut length at Olympics and peaked for the re-emergence of baby curls at worlds - turned out to be the right choice. Vanilla Vera redeemed itself at worlds and the little white collar is now iconic.

I laughed so hard reading this

 

[hhh]

Base on the ice dance rule change meeting, it seems many coaches in attendance questioned some of the institution’s “proposed” changes and they seemingly weren’t included in the process base on their comments and reactions. Politics and power struggle at its best

 

[yyyskate]

I read from a pre-OG interview https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/vaytskhovskayas-interview-with-arutyunian.102077/ and here is the quote:

"EV: If you talk about the quads the idea, AFAIK, came to the ISU from the president of the technical committee Fabio Biancetti.
RA: Did he ever coach?

EV: Good question.
RA: This is what I am talking about. You want to change the rules? Ok, why not ask someone who not only understands them but spent half a century near the boards? Did someone ask what does TAT think on the matter? Alexey Mishin? Me? Mishin have probably been coaching for 55 years, Tarasova - for more than 50, I'm working for 41 years. From the morning till the evening all we do is thinking about figure skating and how it should develop. At least ask our opinion to keep the face."

Thank you for clarify this.
but still, my questions remains the same, is it true, is it really only decided by ISU tech Community without any input from all the federations and figure skating practitioners (top coach etc.) BTW, I don't know who Fabio Biancett is as well as his credentials.

 

[yyyskate]

Base on the ice dance rule change meeting, it seems many coaches in attendance questioned some of the institution’s “proposed” changes and they seemingly weren’t included in the process base on their comments and reactions. Politics and power struggle at its best

will they modify the rules a bit according to the feedback from coaches etc. afterwards.

 

[hhh]

He'll take out just the 3F but can tack on the 1/2Lo+3S on another quad. If you look at Trusova's FS at JW you can see how he can max out his points by doing +triple combos instead of doubles. Since he has all his quads, he can now do two 3Ts or upgrade to a 3Lo combo. He has a huge advantage over other skaters that only have two or three quads.

Good point thanks.

will they modify the rules a bit according to the feedback from coaches etc. afterwards.

The board “kindly” explained their reason and moved on to take a vote, not sure how much the non-board votes count into the final decision. I have to say the attendees - coaches/choreographers/others asked some good questions.
*one English board member- I saw him years ago on DWTS as a guest judge promoting his brand...hmm okay

 

[yyyskate]

Nathan skates to Tais Meditation
https://twitter.com/Wisteria0527/status/976172196442734592
:luv17::sad21::

 

[sheetz]

He'll take out just the 3F but can tack on the 1/2Lo+3S on another quad. If you look at Trusova's FS at JW you can see how he can max out his points by doing +triple combos instead of doubles. Since he has all his quads, he can now do two 3Ts or upgrade to a 3Lo combo. He has a huge advantage over other skaters that only have two or three quads.

I cranked the numbers and the jump BV for the following layout is within 2 pts of his Worlds layout under the current system:

4Lz
4Lo
4T3T

4F3T
4T1Lo3F
4S
3A

 

[cchen24]

or he can do 4T-LO-3F the he only take out the 3S with an even higher BV.

and Nathan can do both 4T--3f, 4T--3S in practice. there are video clips for both.

Yes, he did try 4T+1/2L+3S at SA and GPF. He did land that combo in practice, but could not do it in the competition.
And he made a very smart move later in the season to try 3F+1/2L+3S. Much easier than 4T+1/2L+3S.

Anyway, 4T+1/2L+3X will become an important element for Nathan after the rule change.

 

[yyyskate]

Yes, he did try 4T+1/2L+3S at SA and GPF. He did land that combo, but could not do it in the competition.
And he made a very smart move later in the season to try 3F+1/2L+3S. Much easier than 4T+1/2L+3S.

Anyway, 4T+1/2L+3X will become an important element for Nathan after the rule change.

just wanna express my love towards Nathan's 3F-L-3S here, it really is a thing of beauty:luv17::, textbook for how to execute that half loop properly in jump combos. should be +6 GOE:yes:

That jumping pass at the end of his OG FS is so perfect, technique, musical and emotional, I love to watch it over and over.

 

[yyyskate]

Nathan can also try 4Lz-3loop. I remembered he has done 3lz-3loop pretty well. And Vincent is not so secretly training that combo (this would inspire Nathan's competitive fire).
Nathan would wanna to be the first to land this jump combo as well.