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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

Oh no, I know Carmen is not a musical, I'm not lacking that much in culture :laugh: I meant that I did not really know what Operetta was before hearing it a couple of days ago :slink: So I generalized a bit.
Oh, okay, then apparently I misunderstood you :). Sorry for that.
 
Here is an interesting NYT article distinguishing opera from a musical:

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/theater/musical-or-opera-the-fine-line-that-divides-them.html

In essence (as quoted from the article):

"Here’s the difference: Both genres seek to combine words and music in dynamic, felicitous and, to invoke that all-purpose term, artistic ways. But in opera, music is the driving force; in musical theater, words come first.

This explains why for centuries opera-goers have revered works written in languages they do not speak. Though supertitles have revolutionized the art form, many buffs grew up without this innovation and loved opera anyway. As long as you basically know what is going on and what is more or less being said, you can be swept away by a great opera, not just by music, but by visceral drama.

In contrast, imagine if the exhilarating production of Cole Porter’s “Anything Goes” now on Broadway, starring the amazing triple threat Sutton Foster, were to play in Japan without any kind of titling technology. The wit of the musical is embedded in its lyrics like:

Good authors too who once knew better words

Now only use four-letter words,

Writing prose,

Anything goes.

(And this point leaves aside the whole issue that musicals like this one are also about dance.)"

And to add more to the discussion on operas, operettas, and musicals :-):

https://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.php?thread=985286
 
Here is an interesting NYT article distinguishing opera from a musical:

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/theater/musical-or-opera-the-fine-line-that-divides-them.html

In essence (as quoted from the article):

"Here’s the difference: Both genres seek to combine words and music in dynamic, felicitous and, to invoke that all-purpose term, artistic ways. But in opera, music is the driving force; in musical theater, words come first.

This explains why for centuries opera-goers have revered works written in languages they do not speak. Though supertitles have revolutionized the art form, many buffs grew up without this innovation and loved opera anyway. As long as you basically know what is going on and what is more or less being said, you can be swept away by a great opera, not just by music, but by visceral drama.

In contrast, imagine if the exhilarating production of Cole Porter’s “Anything Goes” now on Broadway, starring the amazing triple threat Sutton Foster, were to play in Japan without any kind of titling technology. The wit of the musical is embedded in its lyrics like:

Good authors too who once knew better words

Now only use four-letter words,

Writing prose,

Anything goes.

(And this point leaves aside the whole issue that musicals like this one are also about dance.)"

At the same time, there are works in opera that are very musical like- see for example Papagenos two arias. Or for example, pretty much all of Porgy and Bess, and which by the above would most likely fit better in to a musical definition.
Also there are, for example, versions of Cole Porter songs and other musical songs by, for example, by Ella Fitzgerald, which fall outside the musical genre (she does them as jazz swing)

I think we all however understand what musical/broadway is when we hear it.

i wonder if anyone will go down this path........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsql523bSj4

(the judges do seem to want entertainment)

I would think under the definition they would also probably include music hall, too. It would be odd to for example include the music hall style songs of mary poppins but not say this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfW3TxQhy20

I also hope the choices aren't too Anglo american (french chanson is very "musical")

Also, could the definition include this......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFI5Jl_IqsE

You also have things like Minelli's results album where a lot of pop standards are sang like Broadway/Sondheim tunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEqoCiKf2Lw (and the actual Sondheim song is performed as a Hi NRG disco track, ironically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4hOH4YMPoE)
 
And if you want to see a nice photo of Guillaume & Morgan together, take a look of Guillaume instragram story....
 
I saw it but i understand nothing :( i have to learn french....) did they tell something fun or new;;;

Nothing new really:). They were asked if they were couples, and all four said no of course, but that some pairs are. The host asked if some couples hate each other and they said yes, and mentioned that Anissina/Peizerat didn't get along very well. They were asked to describe the difference between pairs and dance and Guillaume was funny saying that they don't jump so they seem less impressive:). They all chose their favorite music to dance to, to make love to and to mope to basically. They talked about how they met and Gabriella and Guillaume said they were kind of like siblings...twins in a way because they do so much together they can finish each other's sentences for example...but they don't go on holidays together. The host asked Gabriella if she was okay with discussing what happened in PyeongChang and she said it was fine since it should not be a taboo topic for the next ten years and the show probably prepared a segment already...but it was a very quick mention really. They also talked about trying to modernize the choice of music for their programs and their costumes. That is all I can remember off the top of my head without watching again...so could have forgotten a few things, haha!
 
Nothing new really:). They were asked if they were couples, and all four said no of course, but that some pairs are. The host asked if some couples hate each other and they said yes, and mentioned that Anissina/Peizerat didn't get along very well. They were asked to describe the difference between pairs and dance and Guillaume was funny saying that they don't jump so they seem less impressive:). They all chose their favorite music to dance to, to make love to and to mope to basically. They talked about how they met and Gabriella and Guillaume said they were kind of like siblings...twins in a way because they do so much together they can finish each other's sentences for example...but they don't go on holidays together. The host asked Gabriella if she was okay with discussing what happened in PyeongChang and she said it was fine since it should not be a taboo topic for the next ten years and the show probably prepared a segment already...but it was a very quick mention really. They also talked about trying to modernize the choice of music for their programs and their costumes. That is all I can remember off the top of my head without watching again...so could have forgotten a few things, haha!

Oh I thought Morgan and Vanessa are a couple.
 
A Steffany Hanlen interview:

http://theeverydaymillionaire.ca/episode-31-steffany-hanlen-the-champions-journey/

At about 1:25 she speaks about the Olympics for the French ice dance team (Gabriella Papadakis and Guillaume Cizeron). How their inherent commitment, mental ...
Thanks for this. I am so happy that someone of the team openly admits that it cost them the gold.

It is what again makes me fully cringe in the Quotidien interview: the dress issue is brought up, but ONLY as an embarrassment to Gaby (she has a gorgeous body anyways), which is completely idiotic and not at all an issue, and NOT as the only possible way it is relevant to talk about it: it cost them the gold! Why don't these presenters point that out? No other reason to talk about it in my opinion.
 
Thank you for translation Spot!!!
I really don't like when everybody asks them about what happened in PyeongChang...They can ask so much more interesting things and also is so boring asking all the time if they are a couple in life....Everybody knows they are NOT!!! And YES they really need vecations...and rest for a long time...They are so tired...they don't even had a personal life this year ... they only lived for ice dance!!!!And i really wonder how difficult it must be for them to have an affair somebody who can be there for them and just waiting at the corner...
And how wonderfull persons Gaby and Guillaume are!!!How much they cherish their frindship with Hubbell and Donohue and also with Vanessa and Morgan!!!:luv17:Love them!!!
 
Thank you for the translation! Oh how I wish I understood French, but I was still laughing at their reactions to their younger selves without understanding a word anyway :rofl2: It doesn't feel like the season is over. As much as I do think they should all go on a long holiday to rest their bodies and minds I'm glad we still have them around now :)
 
I did the translation of the Quotiden show :

They show their medals, "all colours, from worlds and olympics".

Yann (host) says to the guy next to Gabi that she has Greek origins and that’s why they put them together (because the guy is famous French presenter with Greek origins too called Nikos Aliagas)

Yann : Gabi and Guillaume’s 3rd world title and Vanessa and Morgan 1st world podium, congratulations. So you were not in competition with each other. Here is ice dance and here is pairs skating. What’s the difference for those who don’t know skating much?

Guillaume : It’s always difficult to explain, and us (dancers) it kinda always makes us look like crap because they jump, do super impressive stuffs and us we dance.

Yann : Yes but you jump too right?

Gabi: no not really, maybe very small jumps (she shows like 20cm with her hands)

Morgan : the big difference is that we do throw jumps and lifts above the head, it’s more acrobatic

Guillaume : for us it’s really what’s danced, step sequences, really technical things but that don’t look it. It doesn’t look very hard. It’s difficult to explain for the people who don’t know the sport

Yann : nothing to do with us, but let’s say it, you are not couples

Everyone : no

Yann : Why do we always think that? That people that skate together are together in real life?

Guillaume : because we pretend!

Yann : Good answer. You are actors in fact.

Morgan : It happens though for some pairs. We are super close, every day, we train together, we hold hands, sometimes it can lead to something, but there is an actor game in all of that too. But some are couples.

Yann : Gabriella and Guillaume you skate together since you are 9 and 10 years old. We have some footage from regional tv from 2008.

The footage says Gabi and Guillaume might have found the right match winning the French nationals for 14-17yo category while being 13 (lol). Small Gabi says they both have to be energetic otherwise it doesn’t work and small Guillaume says he wants to go to international high level competitions.
They are both so embarrassed by the footage. Yann makes fun of Guillaume small growing moustache.

Yann : Vanessa you began skating at 8 or 9 which is really old for skating.

Vanessa: yes it’s very late, but it’s a good thing for me because like that I didn’t get bored of it.

Yann : no of course! You two how did you end up skating together?

Morgan : I was a single skater in the French national team in juniors, and she did Olympic games in pairs with her former partner Yannick Bonheur, we met like that and we started joking together on social media, talking to each other and we decided “why not try” after her split with the former partner, “we can try skating together, could be fun and we could do good things together”.

Yann : what are the things that make it work between two people that dance or skate together?

Gabriella : For us, we grew up together, we have known each other since we are kids, we met when we were 7 and 8 and we really evolved one next to the other and one for the other too and we have temperaments that… (match)

Yann : like brother and sister?

Guillaume: a bit yes

Yann : but do you see each other all the times, weekends and all or not?

Guillaume : well we are kinda like twins, when we speak we say the same things…

Yann : you know how each other move in fact

Gabi : yes

Guillaume : we are used to do all the same things all the time together, we can finish each other’s sentences, that kind of connection.

Aliagas : do you go on holidays together?

Gabi : this no.

Yann : Are there pairs that hate each other?

Morgan : yes there have been

Yann : we want names

Guillaume : Marina and Gwendal, they were not really… close

Gabi : they were known to have some problems between them

Guillaume : bad tempered but well…

Yann : and you can’t see it on the ice?!

Morgan : well it’s the theatrical side that we must play sometimes, but

Guillaume : but it also created a connection

Gabriella : yes like a small fire

Guillaume: like tension

Yann : and in a few words, what physical qualities do you need to be a figure skating champion? Legs…

Gabi : legs, arms,

Someone : balance

Morgan : a bit of everything I think

Guillaume : you need to be flexible

Morgan: NO

Yann : you are not flexible?

Morgan: no I’m not.

Guillaume : well compared to people that don’t skate a little a least

Morgan : well for a sportsman I’m not really

Yann : and what kind of psychology you need?

Morgan : you have to like to put on a show a minimum. Because we are the only actors during the moment in front of a big audience, it’s not a team, you are alone in the middle of the ice, it’s like an artist.

Yann : you should like to show off?

Morgan : yes show off.

Yann : but you seem shy…

Vanessa : me, I’m shy

Yann : yes!

Vanessa : I have a mental coach that’s helping me a lot

Yann : what I have around my neck was won by them 4 at worlds and Olympics. Nikos, did you follow Pyeongchang?

Aliagas : from far, I saw also what happened to you…

Yann : well yes, that was my question… do we speak about it or not?

Gabi : I imagine you prepared the subject?

Yann : no no no no. It’s too expensive to buy the images. (joke) You ok? Not too traumatized?

Gabi : no that’s fine. Well it happened.

Yann : yes the dress, pschhht, something

Gabi : yes we are not gonna make it taboo for 10 years.

Yann: a staple incident with the dress…

Gabi : yes.

Yann : it’s said it’s a very expensive sport that asks for a lot of sacrifices. Is it true?

Morgan: that’s mostly true I think. A lot of sacrifice that’s for sure. Expensive, a bit at first because we are not really helped, there are not many sponsors, it’s difficult to find ice time etc. at the beginning but I think it is more expensive in other countries like USA for example.

Yann : and did you not suffer too much from the maybe a bit caricatural image of figure skating? When you were small?

Guillaume : a little bit of course. It’s not the thing to do that’s super cool. When people ask what you do in life and you say you are a figure skater… it’s not…

Gabi (points at their photo as juniors with ridiculous costumes) : yes that’s what we do!

Yann : yes! Did you suffer from it?

Guillaume : well more or less…

Yann : why are the costumes… are… a little bit special?

[Little parenthesis here, but I think when you say figure skating in France to people who don’t follow the sport, people will automatically think of costumes like Alexei Urmanov’s Olympic shirt, or like Johnnie Weir style of costumes… It has an image of being really old fashioned and uncool]

Gabi: form-fitting?

Yann : well not only form-fitting but very colourful…

Guillaume : well… I don’t know. But that said, we try to be a bit more fashionable. Lately…

Yann : well yes nowadays, at least in Milan, we saw that you tried to renew that

Gabi : we try!

Guillaume : well 1st the thing is you have to use material that stretches. And except from the lycra, there are not too many. Jeans… it’s complicated lol! I don’t know, it’s in the culture of the sport. We try… yes… we try not to add sparkle if you don’t need them but in a latin dance like this year you need them so… but yeah we try to avoid the old-fashion side of it.

Yann : Ha! I didn’t use the word old-fashioned! So do you think the image has changed then? That it looks a lot more modern… thanks to you too.

Guillaume : well you have to ask the audience I think.

Yann : I think so

Gabi : We hope, we try. We try to make it like it follows exterior trends, that it keeps up with our real tastes, tastes from our generation,

Guillaume : even for music, we try to use a maximum.. well you’ll tell me Beethoven is not super modern, but when we can, we try to choose music that the audience can like, because it’s a show and it’s important for us to have that positive feedback from the audience.

Yann : And Nikos, do you watch sometimes for example.

Aliagas : I watch when we have champions that make the sport get exposure/be talked about. They also became ambassadors for the kids that watch them. And I’m touched when they say they don’t have the financial support at the beginning, it’s true I imagine there is not a Mexican army with plenty of sponsors and all but maybe you will make them come. Maybe you’ll make things move with your talent.

Morgan : we try. Now we will do the French team tour that starts Thursday. We skate in rinks around France, we have a nice show. And yeah we will try to make people talk about our sport to bring young kids and audience etc. And I think it’s important because it’s a sport that stays very pleasant to watch. It was one of the favourite sports from the Olympics for the French people to watch on TV.

Yann : so let’s go!

Music segment:

Music they listen to in a loop at the moment:
Nikos : Maitre Gims et Vianney – La même
G&G : Brandi Carlile – The joke
V/M : Maitre Gims and Lil Wayne – Corazón

Perfect song to dance :
Nikos : Claude François – cette année là
G&G : Ed Sheeran – Shape of you

Yann : so you danced that?
Gabi : yes! It’s perfect!
Yann : how did you do?
Guillaume : latin dance, in samba
Yann : what do you mean?
Guillaume : well meaning rolling your butt

V/M : Drake – One dance

Best song to make love :
Nikos : Bronski Beat – I feel love (they all find it’s a very odd choice, Guillaume says, with a little bit of drugs that must help)
G&G : Jeremih – Birthday sex (someone in the audience is like “yes I admit it’s good”)
V/M : the weeknd – earned it

Gabi : I need to precise that they skated to this.
Morgan : don’t say that, they didn’t know.
Yann: you skated on that?
Vanessa : yes last year
Yann : what was the result?
Vanessa : very good! lol

Most beautiful song to be depressed:
Nikos : Léo Ferré – avec le temps
G&G : Léo Ferré – avec le temps (they chose the same)
V/M : Jacques Brel – ne me quitte pas

The crappy song that you like for reasons you can’t explain:
Nikos : Papa tango Charly – Mort Shuman
G&G : Dany Brillant – Quand je vois tes yeux

Yann : you could do it on the ice
Guillaume : yes as a samba!

V/M : Francky Vincent – Fruit de la passion

Yann : We were listening to the commentators in weight-lifting (in another segment), the best commentator for figure skating, who is it?

Morgan and Gabi : Nelson… Nelson Montfort

Yann : he always asks the same questions no?

Guillaume : it’s often quite repetitive…

Gabi : Yes… but he is nice. We love Nelson.

Yann : Would you like to do it later, commentator?

Morgan : no.

Gabi : Commentating?

Guillaume : I can’t contain myself to commentate…

Gabi : I think it’s hard to say interesting things without being a little offensive. No that’s true, when you are in front of your tv at home, you make commentaries…

Guillaume : we criticize really easily. It’s a bit simple.

Yann : It’s a complicated job.

Gabi : yes complicated, very complicated.

Yann : Thank you for coming and in fact figure skating is COOL! We can go see your show and congrats on the medals.
 
Hehe no problem! It's a nice interview and they all appear very natural and likeable imo.

Btw does someone have the link for the inforsport+ interview they did also with Vanessa and Morgan? (the one where they talked about the parody series they watch) Because i wanted to translate that too, i think they did a quizz on each other's teams. Should be fun.
 
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