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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

I was watching their Finlandia FD performance and have to say there were some lovely touches that went better with the music but was later sacrificed for technical levels. Really every performance of the same program is well worth rewatching.
 
While diving a little deeper in this forum, I found (in part) the history of the evolution of the notation in ice dance, as changes to the ISU rules.
Then, I was able to find the theoretical maximum scores SD (TES and PCS), FD (TES and PCS) and therefore total: a post dating from summer 2014, a post dating from summer 2016, your contributions in this thread at the beginning of the 2017-2018 season.
Provided that there was no evolution of theoretical maximum scores in the intervals, I used the 1st post for the 2014/2015 and 2015/2016 seasons, the second for the 2016/2017 season, and this thread for the 2017/2018 season.

Seasons 2014/2015 and 2015/2016 -> Total Max = 203,10
• SD Max = 82.20 (TES = 42.20 + PCS = 40)
• FD Max = 120.90 (TES = 60.90 + PCS = 60)

Season 2016/2017 -> Total Max = 209.40
• SD Max = 85.30 (TES = 45.30 + PCS = 40)
• FD Max = 124.10 (TES = 64.10 + PCS = 60)

Season 2017/2018 -> Total Max = 210,00
• SD Max = 85.30 (TES = 45.30 + PCS = 40)
• FD Max = 124.70 (TES = 64.70 + PCS = 40)

Applied to G & G results since the 2014/2015 season, here are the results as a percentage of the "perfect" score.

Saison 201/2015
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]2014/2015[/td]
[td]Total[/td]
[td]SD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[td]FD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU CS Autumn Classic 2014[/td]
[td]74.0[/td]
[td]72.7[/td]
[td]73.1[/td]
[td]72.2[/td]
[td]74.8[/td]
[td]73.2[/td]
[td]76.5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Cup of China 2014[/td]
[td]78.8[/td]
[td]75.6[/td]
[td]74.3[/td]
[td]76.9[/td]
[td]81.1[/td]
[td]79.0[/td]
[td]83.1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Trophée Bompard 2014[/td]
[td]82.1[/td]
[td]77.9[/td]
[td]75.6[/td]
[td]80.4[/td]
[td]84.9[/td]
[td]83.1[/td]
[td]86.7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Finale 2014[/td]
[td]80.0[/td]
[td]74.8[/td]
[td]68.8[/td]
[td]81.1[/td]
[td]83.5[/td]
[td]79.2[/td]
[td]87.8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU European Champ. 2015[/td]
[td]88.6[/td]
[td]86.4[/td]
[td]85.2[/td]
[td]87.8[/td]
[td]90.1[/td]
[td]88.4[/td]
[td]91.8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU World Champ. 2015[/td]
[td]90.7[/td]
[td]87.5[/td]
[td]83.6[/td]
[td]91.7[/td]
[td]92.9[/td]
[td]91.3[/td]
[td]94.5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Average saison 2014/2015[/td]
[td]82.4[/td]
[td]79.2[/td]
[td]76.8[/td]
[td]81.7[/td]
[td]84.5[/td]
[td]82.4[/td]
[td]86.7[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Saison 2015/2016
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]2015/2016[/td]
[td]Total[/td]
[td]SD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[td]FD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU European Champ. 2016[/td]
[td]90.0[/td]
[td]86.1[/td]
[td]83.6[/td]
[td]88.7[/td]
[td]92.6[/td]
[td]92.3[/td]
[td]92.9[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU World Champ.2016[/td]
[td]95.7[/td]
[td]92.8[/td]
[td]91.1[/td]
[td]94.6[/td]
[td]97.7[/td]
[td]97.5[/td]
[td]98.0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Average saison 2015/2016[/td]
[td]92.9[/td]
[td]89.4[/td]
[td]87.4[/td]
[td]91.6[/td]
[td]95.2[/td]
[td]94.9[/td]
[td]95.4[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Saison 2016/2017
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]2016/2017[/td]
[td]Total[/td]
[td]SD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[td]FD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Trophée de France 2016[/td]
[td]92.4[/td]
[td]91.7[/td]
[td]89.2[/td]
[td]94.6[/td]
[td]92.9[/td]
[td]90.1[/td]
[td]95.8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Trophée NHK 2016[/td]
[td]89.1[/td]
[td]88.6[/td]
[td]83.8[/td]
[td]94.1[/td]
[td]89.5[/td]
[td]84.9[/td]
[td]94.4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Finale 2016[/td]
[td]92.1[/td]
[td]91.3[/td]
[td]88.7[/td]
[td]94.2[/td]
[td]92.6[/td]
[td]89.5[/td]
[td]96.0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU European Champ. 2017[/td]
[td]90.6[/td]
[td]88.5[/td]
[td]84.0[/td]
[td]93.6[/td]
[td]92.0[/td]
[td]88.7[/td]
[td]95.5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU World Champ. 2017[/td]
[td]93.6[/td]
[td]90.1[/td]
[td]85.1[/td]
[td]95.9[/td]
[td]96.0[/td]
[td]94.8[/td]
[td]97.3[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Average saison 2016/2017[/td]
[td]91.6[/td]
[td]90.1[/td]
[td]86.2[/td]
[td]94.5[/td]
[td]92.6[/td]
[td]89.6[/td]
[td]95.8[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Saison 2017/2018
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]2017/2018[/td]
[td]Total[/td]
[td]SD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[td]FD[/td]
[td]TES[/td]
[td]PCS[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU CS Finlandia Trophy 2017[/td]
[td]89.6[/td]
[td]91.5[/td]
[td]87.3[/td]
[td]96.4[/td]
[td]88.3[/td]
[td]80.8[/td]
[td]96.5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Cup of China 2017[/td]
[td]95.4[/td]
[td]95.1[/td]
[td]93.5[/td]
[td]96.9[/td]
[td]95.7[/td]
[td]93.9[/td]
[td]97.6[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP de France[/td]
[td]96.2[/td]
[td]95.4[/td]
[td]93.7[/td]
[td]97.4[/td]
[td]96.7[/td]
[td]95.1[/td]
[td]98.4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU GP Finale 2017[/td]
[td]96.3[/td]
[td]96.2[/td]
[td]94.8[/td]
[td]97.9[/td]
[td]96.3[/td]
[td]94.0[/td]
[td]98.7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU European Champ. 2018[/td]
[td]96.7[/td]
[td]95.3[/td]
[td]93.2[/td]
[td]97.7[/td]
[td]97.7[/td]
[td]96.6[/td]
[td]98.9[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Olympic Games 2018[/td]
[td]97.8[/td]
[td]96.0[/td]
[td]94.3[/td]
[td]98.1[/td]
[td]98.9[/td]
[td]98.9[/td]
[td]99.0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]ISU World Champ. 2018[/td]
[td]98.7[/td]
[td]98.2[/td]
[td]97.9[/td]
[td]98.4[/td]
[td]99.0[/td]
[td]98.8[/td]
[td]99.2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Average saison 2017/02018[/td]
[td]95.8[/td]
[td]95.4[/td]
[td]93.5[/td]
[td]97.5[/td]
[td]96.1[/td]
[td]94.0[/td]
[td]98.3[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

  • What a lightning progression in 201/2015!
  • A season 2015/2016 shortened, but with nevertheless a significant pallier.
  • A 2016/2017 season is more difficult (everything is relative!) With despite all an average SD in progression compared to the previous year; as the years pass, their qualities increase as fast as our expectations (unconscious?), and we do not realize their path to perfection.
  • A season 201/2018 impressive by the regularity, the progression, and this in spite of the fact that it is more and more difficult to progress when one approaches perfection.

G & G will further progress - and feast us - in the years to come. But the big feast of important point gains is consumed; we will now be celebrating every tenth!
Many figures, calculations ... In addition to their artistic qualities, and their willingness to progress and innovate in this direction, they are also, as they say themselves, great competitors.
An image that comes back to me ... Have you noticed the reaction of the majority of couples just at the end of a "successful" SD or FD? Joy, complicity, a gesture that shows the satisfaction of a successful performance, arms outstretched, smiles of victory, the natural satisfaction of athletes. G & G show us a very different reaction, very introverted, expressing the emotion and the intense joy of a moment of artistic sharing. They are great competitors, but at these moments, they show us in a wonderful and magical way, the essential springs that motivate, push and push them forward. The quest for creation, art and beauty, perfection.
 
Escarbille said:
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That is an excellent post with great statistics. For that very last season, it has been a very calculated, steady rise even under the circumstances. It's great.

But everytime I read a post like that I'm just amazed at how all of this actually summarize their entire Senior career. Not 2 or 3 quads, just one. They had a normal 1st Seior season I'd say with ups and down while still studying in Lyon and not having that much ice time or a proper training center. But the 4 following seasons were crazy ! I always forgot how young they are because in the lifetime of a skater what can he expect ? GPs medals, hopefully a spot in GPF ith a medal to top it, hopefully a Euro medal (or 4CC but I've noticed how 4CC get skipped while Euros are too prestigious) and if he/she can get a World medal it's icing on a cake. They've done Olympic Silver, Worldsx3, Eurosx4, GPF, GPsx?? :laugh:, in a matter of 4 seasons. This is beyond :drama:. We often want that team, or that skater that will come out want just mess up the rankings and stay at the top because it's a great story... and they litterally gave it to us. (And sometimes I wished they were Americans, Canadians or Japanese... because those 3 (skating) countries would run away with that story and they would have received great publicity. Just my opinion :biggrin:)

All of their competitors : V/M = 3 quads (with domination for 2) - Shibs = 2 - H/D = 2 - WeaPo = 3 - C/B = 2 (Evan 2 and 1/2) - C/L = 3. In the top 10 at Worlds only Stepanova/Bukin and Hawayek/Baker were on their 1st quad and they were 7th and 10th.

I've watched almost every single interviews they gave after Worlds and one was very interesting but there was no replay available :/ To summarize they said things that you'll never here from competitors. Guillaume said that he didn't give a crap about skating when younger, he did it just because he liked it. Never they dreamed of a World or Olympic medal in their careers, they enjoyed skating together and that's it. And more importantly : they said they're artists first, and then athletes, they are not born athletes or huge competitors. However they had to learn in 2014/2015 after those few wins.
But having that mindset of not being totally obsessed with winning might have helped them mentally, don't you think ? After 2015 Worlds, everyone was wondering if they could mentally take the next challenges especially after a concussion. They ended up separating themselves from the rest of the field. :eek: And then the next few seasons have been a learning curve. They learned in 20 months what you learn in a lifetime of competition. And we all know for a fact that it's not just skating wise that they are fast learners... just look at the attitude difference between 2016-2017 and 2017-2018. From being rattled by the biggest competition they could ask for, to overtaking them by shinning and being so confident.

Of course, they will always be massive competition, and they are not safe from another Papadakis/Cizeron, except that this time, there is a Papadakis/Cizeron already at the top. But I cannot wait where they'll go from this ! Especially with the new judging system, the Tango Romantica, their new FD... the scores will be higher this time around too with the +5 GOEs.

And if my calculations are correct : out of 27 competitions starting the 2014/2015 season (counting Masters and French Nationals), they came 3rd once (GPF14), 2nd four times, and won the rest which means 22 gold medals ! :clap:
 
Anyasnake said:
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I love long celebratory posts :hap93: They really deserve it and don't get enough credit for it as you mentioned. Were they from huge skating countries they would have been deified by now. Although, it's as well because they don't strike me as the type to care for such grandioso display of worship.

Anyasnake said:
But having that mindset of not being totally obsessed with winning might have helped them mentally, don't you think ?
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Absolutely, event though Guillaume did acknowledge in the most cute way during GPF " I like to be first" However, they are never an in your face type of celebratory couple. I notice a tiny but revelatory moment during the FD K&C at Worlds here Notice how MDF is trying to raise Guillaume's arm to make him go for a more "yes we did it" type of gesture, like the classic fist pumping in the air. And notice his demeanor, it couldn't be more against his nature ( I think MDF was mismatching him with another guy from Gadbois ;) )

Thanks Escarbille for your enlightening work. With the GOEs increase though, I think we can see more than tenth increasing in their scores. All I wish for them is to rest first but to keep finding the passion to drive their programs. I want them to explore further. I'd like to see a change in the construction of their FD which could be attributed to MDF I guess. Up to now, it goes slow/faster/slow. It would be nice to play around with the structure. Woodkid for instance was fast/slow/fast. I would love to see an FD which just keep building. I want to see numerous new influences from outside Gadbois and I'm curious to see of their friendship/bound to increase rivalry with H/D will pan out. Exciting new quad beginning.
 
cocotaffy said:
With the GOEs increase though, I think we can see more than tenth increasing in their scores.
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You're absolutely right, and I look forward to seeing G & G accumulate the WR :yahoo::hap85::hap93:
However, scores converted as a percentage of the maximum perfect score will necessarily progress less. At the 2018 World, G & G are at 98.2%! (99% for the FD :jaw:).
In comparison, and proof of their progress, their level of 2015 (World score of 90% compared to the perfect maximum score of the time), would have given them a score of 190.72 on the basis of the 2018 notation.
They are definitively unique :love:
 
They may be quite the natural competitors even if they don’t think so themselves. I’ve heard many commentators bring up at various competitions how they skated better than in practice. And the FD performance they put on in Helsinki and Peyongcheong are probably the best example of mental toughness anyone could give. But maybe they treate competitions like performance, which could also explain them entering another level once the music begins.
 
Anyasnake's analysis of G & G's meteoric progression, in asingle-quads, is very enlightening and made me want to do one last little statistical exercise.
  • For more than 10 years, which couples have won the most international competitions?
  • What proportion of wins compared to the number of participation?
  • On all their sports career?
  • On their first five seasons Senior? (Like G & G today)

My postulates:
  • I went back to 1995, date of introduction of the GP ISU
  • I only considered the following Senior competitions: GP, GPF, 4CC, Euro, World, OG

Searching in the ISU statistics and Wikipedia, I did this analysis for:
• Grishuk / Platov
• Bourne/ Kraatz
• Navka / Kostomarov
• Anissina / Peizerat
• Davis / White
• Virtue / Moir
• Pechalat / Bourzat
• Cappellini / Lanotte
• Bobrova / Soloviev
• Weaver / Poje
• Shibutani / Shibutani
• Chock / Bates
• Hubbell / Donohue
• Papadakis / Cizeron

Here are two tables:
The first class couples by percentage of victory, over the entire sporting career, whether completed or in progress.

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Nb Competition[/td]
[td]Nb Victory[/td]
[td]% Victory[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Grishuk / Platov[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]62.5%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Davis / White[/td]
[td]37[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]59.5%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Papadakis / Cizeron[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]13[/td]
[td]59.1%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Virtue / Moir[/td]
[td]41[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]53.7%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Anissina / Peizerat[/td]
[td]46[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]41.3%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Navka / Kostomarov[/td]
[td]40[/td]
[td]16[/td]
[td]40.0%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Bourne / Kraatz[/td]
[td]35[/td]
[td]13[/td]
[td]37.1%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Shibutani / Shibutani[/td]
[td]36[/td]
[td]7[/td]
[td]19.4%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Weaver / Poje[/td]
[td]48[/td]
[td]8[/td]
[td]16.7%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Pechalat / Bourzat[/td]
[td]51[/td]
[td]7[/td]
[td]13.7%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Bobrova / Soloviev[/td]
[td]42[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]11.9%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Chock / Bates[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]10.3%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Hubbell / Donohue[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]8.0%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Cappellini / Lanotte[/td]
[td]53[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]5.7%[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

The second table establishes the same ranking but taking into account only the first five Senior seasons.

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Nb Competition[/td]
[td]Nb Victory[/td]
[td]% Victory[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Papadakis / Cizeron[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]13[/td]
[td]59.1%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Davis / White[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]10[/td]
[td]43.5%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Virtue / Moir[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]35.3%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Bourne / Kraatz[/td]
[td]12[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Grishuk / Platov[/td]
[td]14[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]21.4%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Chock / Bates[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]16.7%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Anissina / Peizerat[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]15.4%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Nubbell / Donohue[/td]
[td]16[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]12.5%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Bobrova / Soloviev[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]11.1%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Shibutani / Shibutani[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]5.3%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Weaver / Poje[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]5.0%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Pechalat / Bourzat[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Cappellini / Lanotte[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Navka / Kostomarov[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0%[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Nothing new under the sun of our favorites / Scrunchies! They are the stars in the first sense of the word.
Gabriella and Guillaume are astonishing, breathtaking, unique ... Their performances leave us speechless, captivated, amazed ... And even in the coldness of the numbers they continue to put a lot of stars in our eyes.
Can you imagine what it will give in the coming years? :hap10:
After this calculating phase, nothing like a video session of about twenty minutes to relax ... The four FD's of G & G at 0.75 speed, pure happiness !!! :hap93:
Isn’t it beautiful life?

Nota
Maybe this post could be published in a more general thread ... I did not make that choice: it could potentially trigger comments as diverse as varied :cool14:, and it is all to the glory, natural, of our G & G! :yahoo:
 
Escarbille said:
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This is amazing ! Thank you very much Escarbille, we definitely needs more statistics like that, and the first table in particular is very revealing. Grishuk/Platov is an obvious winner, they were undefeated for a whole quad, and Davis/White were defeat in only 2 competitions in a whole quad too.

As for the statistics for the 5 first seasons, I'm not surprised either, it really is a runaway victory and most importantly... understated ? We often say that G&G's weak point is not to be North American because this is the kind of statistics that I see a lot on twitter by American journalists or figure skating analysts, or people like Rockerskating - you're giving him a run for his money with what you are doing ;). But that gives you the impression that it's not just the 1st win that is unprecedented : it's how it went on and how they were never lower than 2nd after that season (after the GPF14 Bronze).

But that huge percentage might trigger the usual behaviour in every long term figure skating fan : "Wait for your turn" in Ice Dance. I went through some Ice Dance thread since 2013-2014 to see what was said about everyone, and this is how G&G's timeline went IIRC (feel free to add/correct me) :

They were moving to Montreal, some said that it was great and they could start a rivalry with Hurtado/Diaz in training.
They won Autumn Classic 2014, 1st small surprise win against Gilles/Poirier (who did not skate their best and had some higher PCS). Nothing too major because the coverage wasn't big.
Then the Cup of China big shoking win, sometimes you need stars to align against Ice Dance reputation. Ilinykh/Zhiganshin were a new pair but high reputation for Elena. Cappellini/Lanotte bombed big time, most importantly, the Shibutanis did not. They were beaten on the performance of the night(Go to the CoC FD thread people were shocked haha). It makes people talk, judges interested, the skating world took notice. GPF14 Bronze medal was expected, they did not have the greatest skates of their lives, but to me beaten Chock/Bates on PCS in the FD put them in the World Gold conversation It was like 0.2 more, nothing, but it's analysis that you need to see where the judges are going.
Suddenly they are the new Ice Dance stars, nobody questionned their Euro Gold, they looked on another planet in the FD especially. And then World gets interesting because it's a 3-team games and they crush everyone in the FD. And the conversation of "overscoring" starts, which is a good sign, it means you succeed in the figure skating world :laugh: It was "supposed" to be WeaPo's title : CBC's people were not that happy starting 2015 Worlds because they were a massive threat to another Canada World title.

2015-2016 : in people's mind, it's still WeaPo vs Chock/Bates vs PapaCiz, but add Cappellini/Lanotte, they are better now. And suddenly people start talking about the Shibs because their Fix You FD was amazing. In the meantime, people aren't sure where G&G stand, is it a fluke ? Are they strong enough now that they are injured and everyone stepped up their game ? We did not know, they weren't 100% at Nationals (so was the camera work) but still very good. International competitions are another animal.
When they lose to Cappellini/Lanotte in the SD at Euros, in people's head it was : "injured, late preparation, not showing programs enough, but still good", in mine it was "maybe a couple of missed levels could justify it, but certainly not those lower PCS". So reputation still has that effect on judges, the FD wiped out everything.
Then Worlds, it was supposed to be Shibutanis vs PapaCiz and it ended up being P/C getting away from everyone. That big standing ovation in Boston spoke for itself.

2016-2017 : it was P/C vs V/M and was written from the beginning. Yes, these 2 were very distant from the other couples skating-wise, at least to me there was no comparaison. But then there's an effect when people start losing. You are 2nd, you might just drop again because the judges drop you, and people were saying that maybe they shouldn't be second, that they rise was too fast and they were not ready, they won't be 2nd at Worlds etc. It's crazy the stories that momentum are building. Again, it took the Worlds 2017 FD to reverse it. But looking at judges PCS and GOEs, whatever the total score said, yes it was a 2-team race. The levels did the difference.

When 2017-2018 started, some were still not sure of where P/C would stand : close first ? Clear second ? I saw people saying that Chock/Bates or Bobrova/Soloviev had their shot at beating them in the SD at Cup of China, and in my head that SD narrative that people were running with had to be cancelled, ASAP. They did and lead by 8 or 9 points in the SD only... the 200 mark made all the difference. Ice Dance perspective : let people talk about you. And like you explained Escarbille in your post about their 2018-2017 score evolution, it was a steady rise. One step at a time, but more every singe time. They were even starting to move further away with that 1st place. And because people still aren't used to that kind of success, they question it.

It was not just the 2014-2015 season that was unprecedented, it was the success that came after that. And more importantly if you actually watch all the Ice Dance competitions : it's their improvement. Every season they came out and the skating is miles better. And everytime I think that it cannot get better because it's already improved so much, but it does. It's not just a question of throwing +3s or 10s around, it is better, you HAVE to mark it better - and why I think we need +5s.

Escarbille, those kind of statistics (the first table with overall results) would be great in The Edge but I don't want fanwars from the 90's or another D/W vs V/M coming back :laugh: But if you feel like it, you should !

(Wow, that post is much longer than anticipated).
 
What bugs me is that because of that wardrobe accident in the Olympic SD, we are now denied the chance to rewatch the FD performance in official broadcast HD feed. The Olympic Games’ Own channel only shows the champion’s performance, even though it’s a second place FD.

Anyway, I rewatched some of the fan-taken videos of the FD, and I thought they were actually possibly quite nervous. There’s a problem with the spin that had never happened: Guillaume’s free leg became visibly bent towards the end of it, hooking onto Gabby’s spinning leg, presumably because they had a spacing issue?

Also, they were for the first and only time this season late with the music during the straight line step sequence, at the point when Gabby free fell into Guillaume’s arms during the short retrogression section.
 
The best they've skated it was at Worlds because it was the first time, I thought, Guillaume was so into it all the way to his fingertips. Even in the spin combo he's doing a chest move enhancing the intensity when before it was just Gabby accentuating her arms' movements only. So I don't mind not having the Olympics version. He's so involved and she is as always anyway so this perf really has it all.
 
The French tour is over. As Guillaume said, now the ice is in the glass, at the beach under the sun. Let's wish Gabriella and Guillaume great holidays ! :cool14:
 
Hello ! It's funny it took me a bit of time to finally write on this FF because i've been fan of Gabby and Guillaume since Mozart... but i've been lurking for a while ! (it was hard to write here after the Olympics but this FF gave me a lot of very much needed emotional support)
I just wanted to post because I saw them yesterday at the french tour, they looked amazing and I had goosebumps during both of their performances (build a home and Ed Sheeran). They got a standing ovation, and they looked really happy to be there, and it seemed that there was a nice vibe within the french team, especially with Romain and Marie-Jade
Now I hope they can take some very well-deserved holidays :)
 
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