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I also notice this strange behaviour since April 25th in Eteris group...something could be really in the pipeline...
Evgenia Medvedeva
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I also notice this strange behaviour since April 25th in Eteris group...something could be really in the pipeline...
II don't know in this case, but, in general, rumors I've read about Russian skaters proved to be true....
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Nope.
But it's a long story, probably not suited for Zhenya's FF. Reputation judging (meaning a skater's reputation, that he or she gains slowly, through the seasons) is a well known thing in skating and it usually takes the new Seniors some time for their scores to catch up to what they're showing. And of course, with lobbying, you'll get the overscoring, which again, is par for the course.
The thing with Alina is that Zhenya should have had a much bigger gap in PCS considering everything. But she got injured, that gap went poof because Russians wanted a sure gold. And that's just that.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BiOuvh4DEc9/ leaving this here.....
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The first part makes sense, with it taking some time for the scores to reflect the performances, but the rest just seems bizarre. When Zhenya reset her world record in the team event SP, that should have set things right, and the girls should have skated with clean slates, on even ground, in the singles event, but then, Alina got that huge PCS on her Black Swan routine, which was great, but not as artistically-pleasing (to me) as Zhenya's Clinical Death. When Zhenya reset her record again, she should have essentially won barring a screw up in the FS, but I'm probably preaching to the choir here.
Is skating just pretty much rigged? I know that a pair got their gold taken away in Salt Lake City because of some sort of corruption scandal, and this isn't the first time that I thought the silver medalist was better (Kwan vs Lipinsky, Kim vs Sotnikova). :con3:
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So? It's from the documentary, and that bit was filmed a while ago.
What she may be feeling and thinking now, is an entirely different thing. Also I really fail to see how this is an argument for anything. Zhenya could still highly regard Eteri, still be very thankful for what she has done for her, and still feel that it is time to move on. PC happened after that. Things change.
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I think, and this is just my opinion, that I'd rather believe what Zhenya has said (and she has said she'll never leave Eteri as recently as last month). If she should change her mind and go somewhere else, I'll support her choice 100%. So far, it's just rumors which we know Zhenya doesn't really appreciate.
As for the lobbying federations, I don't really believe in it. Not that I agree with Alina's PCS rising so fast, but I think it's what judges have been doing forever: rewarding consistency and difficult tech.
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All those annoying speculations about changing coaches and countries (the hell why? :dev2
, about federation pushing scores and so on could be only called completely irrational fantasy or much worse WET DREAMS of of some pubescents who just push push push this nonsence all over again. For me that "speculations" belongs maybe to channel "which name won't be spoken" and not in fan thread. This does not do Zhenya or her team absolutely any credit, support or anything positive, this is just like little kid screaming "I want my toy" (or I want my version of the story). Be adult, people.
Lets be clear about it:
1) Zhenya was injured, did not participate at russian nationals and STILL got her spot on Euros and OG. What the hell is that other than confidence in her, from fed and from coaches.
2) Remember all those "Eteri likes Zhenya more than Alina" BS which in fact did not stop completely till now? You have to choose of those narratives, one story or the other, you cannot heve both.
3) Who trained Zhenya to became two times world and european champion, junior world champion or olympic silver medalist, not to mention amount of other victories and medals. And who in the whole world can show off something like that during last 15 years? Going elsewhere could be called not only groudless, but it would be downgrade in all aspects of the thing.
So, just stop pushing all those YOUR wishes and let Zhenya herself consider her situation. And let her heal now and stop behaving like all that thing with injury would be some conspiracy.
, about federation pushing scores and so on could be only called completely irrational fantasy or much worse WET DREAMS of of some pubescents who just push push push this nonsence all over again. For me that "speculations" belongs maybe to channel "which name won't be spoken" and not in fan thread. This does not do Zhenya or her team absolutely any credit, support or anything positive, this is just like little kid screaming "I want my toy" (or I want my version of the story). Be adult, people.Lets be clear about it:
1) Zhenya was injured, did not participate at russian nationals and STILL got her spot on Euros and OG. What the hell is that other than confidence in her, from fed and from coaches.
2) Remember all those "Eteri likes Zhenya more than Alina" BS which in fact did not stop completely till now? You have to choose of those narratives, one story or the other, you cannot heve both.
3) Who trained Zhenya to became two times world and european champion, junior world champion or olympic silver medalist, not to mention amount of other victories and medals. And who in the whole world can show off something like that during last 15 years? Going elsewhere could be called not only groudless, but it would be downgrade in all aspects of the thing.
So, just stop pushing all those YOUR wishes and let Zhenya herself consider her situation. And let her heal now and stop behaving like all that thing with injury would be some conspiracy.
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Well, you don't have to.
But this is a well known fact, that's been talked about by people in skating, as recently as just a month ago by Ari Zakarian, vice-president of Armenian Figure Skating Federation and Plushy's manager where yes, he quite clearly stated that not only lobbying exists, by everyone but went on and described the how and the why of the troubles of the Armenian Ice Dancers because Armenia does not have a judge in ID. On record.
Think he knows a thing or two more than you do.
But I mean you're welcome to think Alina won because at 15 she was this amazing skating prodigy in the components too and her PCS was deservedly on par with the likes of Zhenya, Kaetlyn or Costner, and above the likes of Satoko
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Zhenya invites us to Fantasy on Ice in English and Japanese
https://twitter.com/Fantasy_on_Ice/status/991261668259713025
https://twitter.com/Fantasy_on_Ice/status/991261668259713025
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less you know more you enjoy this sport C: and yeah there are a lot of questionable medals in fs.
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But I mean you're welcome to think Alina won because at 15 she was this amazing skating prodigy in the components too and her PCS was deservedly on par with the likes of Zhenya, Kaetlyn or Costner, and above the likes of Satoko
As for me, I'm completely convinced about that
Alina's score was totally deserved with both her programs. Thats just sign that her programs (incl. choreography) were well thought-out, fit her and she was able to deliver them as it was necessary. Yes, she wold not socerd so high with some other program, e. g. what Carolina had, because that was prepared for her nature and personality, but it can be also applied in reverse.
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I very like what the user 92godcat wrote there. It is the better answer to all those gossips and fan fantasies I read here today than I would be probably able to formulate myself.
It would be my pleasure :thumbsup:
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As for me, I'm completely convinced about that
Great for you. I on the other hand think Zhenya is a good deal better than Alina at this point in time when it comes to PCS but hey, enjoy your Alina.
On the other hand, your sentence is absolutely hilarious because it is actually a brilliant argument for Zhenya leaving Eteri so thanks for that.
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1. It was clear that they would give her a spot after the injury. Everything else would be a big scandal and the Russian Fed would lose a lot of reputation.
2. Those narratives do not come frome Zhenya fans...it´s the opposite! The first three weeks after the olympics... i can not even remember how many alina fans cried that Zhenya is Eteris favourite.
3. Nobody knows what the future brings...but i would consider for example orser a upgrade.
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i'd say people can't blame rusfed bc they did what they had to: earned gold and silver. it was the disastrous olympic for russia and the whole country was waiting for triumph at least in ladies figure skating. so rusfed did their best.
also i completely agree that zhenya needs a new choreographer. and disagree that orser is a kind of magician. gabby has edge issue on both flip and lutz and she can't get a more diff combo than 3t3t (not to mention her carmen version....)
also i completely agree that zhenya needs a new choreographer. and disagree that orser is a kind of magician. gabby has edge issue on both flip and lutz and she can't get a more diff combo than 3t3t (not to mention her carmen version....)
The team did what they thought it's the best for both of them.
Nobody can control all the factors in life. It's a pity that things ended as it ended, but this is life, this is sport.
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Hmm, yes, but that doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes with Zhenya. Personally I think they did.
Sure that's life then but at the same time, and considering other factors, if Zhenya wants to leave, I'd hardly call it unreasonable. In fact, it'd be understandable. Again, I think the practicality of this is really iffy but I also don't understand the huge issue of thinking this way.
Zhenya isn't wedded to Eteri Tutberidze. It's Zhenya's FF, not Eteri's. And heck, nobody is even saying anything terrible about Eteri. Zhenya can respect Eteri, be grateful and still want to go. People evolve, things happen and change. So again, I fail to see what is so scandalous in the idea that she might want to change coaches. Disagree with it, sure but it's hardly the Armageddon some are making it out to be. Every single skater on this board has had people discuss stuff like this, sooner or later.
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