Evgenia Medvedeva

[MedoLove]

What nonsense are those of "such a person deleted photos with x", please, this seems like one of those gossip programs.:sarcasm:


Zhenya has said NO many times, Eteri too, and also the Federation itself. So Stop. She is training in the best possible place.
Zhenya is the FIRST senior skater of Russia and Sambo70 who has survived 3 seasons on the cusp after the retirement of Irina Slutskaya. There is no one else who has shown her level for so long in Russia (the lowest she has been in senior is Silver, and only 3 times ). She feeds on the pressure her team offers. And Eteri must prove next to her that she not only breeds little robots of 15 years and then throws them away. This is a challenge for Zhenya, for Eteri and for the same women's Russian skating. The reputation of the team and of Russia would rise, so this suits them all.




Now, the only problem that I see, is that the participation of athletes in the development of their programs is somewhat limited. I think that at 18 an athlete can decide what music she wants to use, what new element she wants to try, what aesthetic she wants for it, etc. Likewise, the team is very poor in terms of choreographers. Zhenya must take advantage of those millions that she won and invest them in some choreographyShe can do it next season if she wants to. For the moment she needs to re-establish trust with her team, her federation and with herself. So let's support her. She doesn't need cheap gossip, but words of encouragement for this new season. There will be a lot of pressure, since everyone expects her reborn.

Go Zhenya, we love you and we believe in you,please recover soon, enjoy your holidays, and come back to delight us with your beautiful performance

 

[atsumiri]

Could you stop with all these rumors?
Don't you tired?

 

[Yatagarasu]

Zhenya has said NO many times, Eteri too, and also the Federation itself. So Stop. She is training in the best possible place.

Sorry but you don't get to decide what people can talk about here. You may feel Eteri's is the best place for her, but others may not. This is not Eteri Tutberidze's fanfest. Sorry. Make hers if one doesn't exist.

Zhenya Medvedeva is an entity in her own right, not a person who somehow only coexists with Eteri. Yes, they had a good relationship for years, they may still do. Doesn't mean that things don't change or that people don't outgrow their coaches even if they are still on excellent terms. It happens all the time. All the time. I have never seen such apoplexy over something so simple.

It will not be the end of the world if she changes coaches. She should do what's best for herself, so if it is finding a different coach that doesn't have to learn from scratch what it means to have a skater who is 18 and older, and who can devote to her more time than Eteri, then so be it. Why must Zhenya after all be the guinea pig? Eteri must learn ... yes, yes, she must learn. But not at Zhenya's expense, she doesn't! Zhenya comes first to Zhenya. Not Eteri. Sorry. Zhenya's life is this one, and there are no repeats, no rewinding of time. So if she at some point decides or has decided that she wants out, and that though risky, it may be better for her, good for her!
And if some fans think that it would be way better if she found someone else because she only gets that one shot at this, and that she shouldn't be limited by Eteri's mistakes as she learns, if she even wants to learn by the way but that aside, then yeah, they have the right. You may see a bright future, others may see one to two years left for her if she stays. Both parties have the right to discuss, on a discussion forum so if some are glad of the possibility, you won't be and that's just that. It'll get settled sooner or later so in any case you'll at worst have to listen to it until May 21st.

Unless she of course does change coaches but oops, no Eteri so then what I wonder. I guess we better get the smelling salts ready, just in case considering how it's a capital crime that she'll apparently be committing and we'll end up having a massive case of fainting!

 

[meowmeow]

I see that many people want their faves to go to orser.. but what if she'll go to raf for example? will you be happy? C:

 

[Sugar Coated]

There is active discussion of decoding of the talk between Zhenya and Eteri after Olympic free on russian forums now. It can be useful in the light of what will be coming soon.

Sec. 34-36
Med - Congratulations!
Eteri - Enough!

Sec. 38-44
M - I've done everything. I've done everything to win.
E - ..........

Sec. 45-49
M - I've done everything what I capable to do in short and in free!
E - ..........

Sec. 50-55
M - It is maximum. This was maximum!
E - No.
M- Yes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6wjJCOvaY&feature=youtu.be&t=29

I hope they are able to decode more. I found a couple things interesting with her interaction with Alina after the results. I was surprised by the length of time they hugged. I assumed someone who just lost to her teammate would hug for the absolute minimum time possible without seeming dismissive. But she genuinely seemed to go to Alina for consolation. Think about that. She’s crying on the shoulder of the person who just “deprived” her of her life goal. And that person is consoling her. To me that moment really proved that there is sincere friendship there. But it felt like more was going on too.

I found it very interesting that in an interview Alina said something about that moment like, “what we said to each other was only for us.” I interpreted this as Zhenya crying about Eteri to the one other person there who could understand. Just my interpretation.

 

[mixthezone]

I see that many people want their faves to go to orser.. but what if she'll go to raf for example? will you be happy? C:

He already has marin and eunsoo and mariah and also nathan. He is full.


As for Orser he is receiving Boyang, received Conrad Orzel as new student and he also has Yuzu and Gabby.
TCC is full. Why do people insist that Zhenya is moving to TCC? It is not practical!

 

[thedude]

I was surprised by the length of time they hugged. I assumed someone who just lost to her teammate would hug for the absolute minimum time possible without seeming dismissive. But she genuinely seemed to go to Alina for consolation. Think about that. She’s crying on the shoulder of the person who just “deprived” her of her life goal. And that person is consoling her. To me that moment really proved that there is sincere friendship there. But it felt like more was going on too.

I wouldn't say anyone deprived her of her goal. I remember one figure skater said that the vast majority of figure skaters get along with their competitors because they're not really competing against each other as so much as against themselves and the rest is left to the judges.

I think Zhenya herself said afterwards that Alina deserved her success because she witnessed how hard Alina trained.

I have a feeling the other skaters in Eteri's group were leaning towards Zhenya to win. Based on interviews from Polina and Trusova, Zhenya is probably like the big sister of the group, some one they can go to for advice or say something positive after Eteri chews them out for falling.

I was more alarmed at how it took forever for any of the coaching staff to congratulate Alina.

 

[1critic]

I wouldn't say anyone deprived her of her goal. I remember one figure skater said that the vast majority of figure skaters get along with their competitors because they're not really competing against each other as so much as against themselves and the rest is left to the judges.

I think Zhenya herself said afterwards that Alina deserved her success because she witnessed how hard Alina trained.

I have a feeling the other skaters in Eteri's group were leaning towards Zhenya to win. Based on interviews from Polina and Trusova, Zhenya is probably like the big sister of the group, some one they can go to for advice or say something positive after Eteri chews them out for falling.

I was more alarmed at how it took forever for any of the coaching staff to congratulate Alina.

This isn’t going to spiral into an Alina thread again, is it?

 

[Sugar Coated]

This isn’t going to spiral into an Alina thread again, is it?

Didn’t mean to turn this into an Alina thread.. My point was more that I sensed from that moment that Zhenya was questioning Eteri. It’s why Alina said she could not discuss their conversation with anyone else. That and Zhenya’s response at the kiss and cry that she could not have done more.

In the 2017 documentary Zhenya said that a couple years earlier she got to this point where she and Eteri completely understood each other. Zhenya trusted her completely, obeyed, and complied without question. And Zhenya held up her end, but didn’t earn gold. Not saying that is Eteri’s fault necessarily but the sense I got was at that moment she lost her blind trust in Eteri. And that’s perhaps what she was saying to Alina in that moment.

I would love it if more audio from the kiss and cry and afterwards were captured (and translated). I do think there are some clues to her current mindset. Only time will tell what Zhenya decides is best for her future but I imagine she is definitely reflecting on things in a way she maybe had not previously.

 

[yukipon]

In the 2017 documentary Zhenya said that a couple years earlier she got to this point where she and Eteri completely understood each other. Zhenya trusted her completely, obeyed, and complied without question. And Zhenya held up her end, but didn’t earn gold. Not saying that is Eteri’s fault necessarily but the sense I got was at that moment she lost her blind trust in Eteri. And that’s perhaps what she was saying to Alina in that moment.

But what you said is just your conjecture.
I don't think that zhenya has lost her trust in Eteri. Even in some interviews after oly she still mentioned that she Complete trust the team behind her.
If she wants to leave, there are other reasons behind her and plans for the future.And it's seems to me that didn't earn gold isn't the first thought occurred to her behavior.

 

[1critic]

If she wants to leave, there are other reasons behind her and plans for the future.And it's seems to me that didn't earn gold isn't the first thought occurred to her behavior.

What do you mean by this?

 

[StrikerIvan]

Tonight there is another TV documentary about Zhenya in Japan, right?

 

[yukipon]

What do you mean by this?

IMO,The Eteri way of training is not suitable for girls aged 18, and needs to have a balance between health and overtraining.
And this way has something to do with Zhenya's fatigue fracture. If she wants to extend her career, she needs some more scientific training.
And recenly eteri just accept some girls whom will reach limit of 16 in 2022.The future focus of coaches will change for sure.

 

[Sivush]

If Med leaves her coach it would be not because Eteri is a bad coach or Med got angry on her. Zhenya is not such person. But she is adult now and may want to try different approach. It is her life, her health and her career. And if she goes not to CSKA or to Plushenko with the full support of the state but with not many possibilities to further development but goes abroad and is going to pay her own money it means Zhenya is going to fight.

 

[thestage]

Sorry but you don't get to decide what people can talk about here. You may feel Eteri's is the best place for her, but others may not. This is not Eteri Tutberidze's fanfest. Sorry. Make hers if one doesn't exist.

Zhenya Medvedeva is an entity in her own right, not a person who somehow only coexists with Eteri. Yes, they had a good relationship for years, they may still do. Doesn't mean that things don't change or that people don't outgrow their coaches even if they are still on excellent terms. It happens all the time. All the time. I have never seen such apoplexy over something so simple.

It will not be the end of the world if she changes coaches. She should do what's best for herself, so if it is finding a different coach that doesn't have to learn from scratch what it means to have a skater who is 18 and older, and who can devote to her more time than Eteri, then so be it. Why must Zhenya after all be the guinea pig? Eteri must learn ... yes, yes, she must learn. But not at Zhenya's expense, she doesn't! Zhenya comes first to Zhenya. Not Eteri. Sorry. Zhenya's life is this one, and there are no repeats, no rewinding of time. So if she at some point decides or has decided that she wants out, and that though risky, it may be better for her, good for her!
And if some fans think that it would be way better if she found someone else because she only gets that one shot at this, and that she shouldn't be limited by Eteri's mistakes as she learns, if she even wants to learn by the way but that aside, then yeah, they have the right. You may see a bright future, others may see one to two years left for her if she stays. Both parties have the right to discuss, on a discussion forum so if some are glad of the possibility, you won't be and that's just that. It'll get settled sooner or later so in any case you'll at worst have to listen to it until May 21st.

Unless she of course does change coaches but oops, no Eteri so then what I wonder. I guess we better get the smelling salts ready, just in case considering how it's a capital crime that she'll apparently be committing and we'll end up having a massive case of fainting!

As if this Zhenya in your head is the real Zhenya, who views herself from afar and weighs the inveighing of the fans here or the preening of them there against an imagined future you or I know nothing about, in support of or against a woman and a training environment that she knows more of than all of us combined. It is true that she should ‘do what’s best for herself.’ It is also true that many people who she has never seen appear to know what that is, and that they are split, vocal, and incensed to action over, quite literally, nothing. Everyone has their own version of Zhenya, same as we have our own version of anyone that we put some stock in. It is easy to lose sight of the fact that these versions are illusory, and that one version is real. There is always a kind of violence when the one meets the other, which is why any meaningful relationship you or I or anyone else has ever had is fraught with difficulties, but in a scenario like this the violence is of a special breed, because it comes and goes in giant pointless waves, diffused in all directions and set off at random on account of the number of people involved and the detached but self-privileged nature of fandom. Zhenya is a very young woman at a crucial juncture of her life, coming off a profoundly emotional experience that played out in public, and which represented the culmination of her life up to that point. I would submit that it is very likely that there is no one in this thread, or in the Russian or Japanese equivalents, who can speak from experience on the nature of such an emotional locus, to say nothing of the extraordinary idiosyncrasies of Zhenya’s particular situation, both at the time and in its aftermath. This is my way of saying that the incessant speculation, conjecture, and suggestions of the fans (and the not fans), projected as they are from their individual biases, beliefs, and desires, tends, as a rule, towards toxicity, moves outside of its bounds, and runs the real risk of doing or promoting actual emotional harm. Zhenya deserves many things, but chief among them is some measure of peace and privacy.

The cruelty of where we are at is that it has arisen from nothing, and that it will continue to do so so long as nothing is what prevails. The desire for no drama, after a certain point, creates drama, becomes its own drama. It is a general truth that our hearts fill absence with hope and with sorrow. It is in our nature to approach the world of possibility with the same ardor as we approach the world of reality -- if not with a great deal more as our mood strikes us -- because they both appear before our mind’s eye through the force of interpretation, and languish there, waiting, unknown to us, for their moment. We are all going to create stories about Zhenya and Eteri and Alina and Sambo and the Russian federation and the judges based on the things that we think and feel, based on the time that has passed, on our mood, on some new piece of minute speculative information, or the currents of the behavior of those around us. And even if one of these stories found itself attuned in an exacting manner, through some abundant virtuosity, to the vicissitudes of Zhenya’s soul, and expressed itself in such a way that we all bowed to its superior reasoning and came to believe, with a new-found understanding, in all of its conclusions, offering such story with an eye toward its plausibility or in support of its predictions would still be domineering, because it would ascribe to the emotions of one woman the one thing that our emotions lack: a purpose. In doing so we would be laying claim to these emotions. It is better to leave them in the air, and watch them as they find their way.

 

[yoloaxel]

This thread is such a train wreck I don’t even know what to say tbh. It seems like you won’t stop speculating instead of waiting to hear from Zhenya and Eteri, which is absurd to me.

We’re now at 15/20 pages of this madness. I hate that I come here for a fan fest and this is what I get tbh, but if it’s your wish to continue its not gonna be me who stops you I guess

 

[madison]

There are four possibilities:
- either nothing is happening and all is a bunch of coincidences
- either Evgenia is taking a year off
- either she leaves Eteri for another coach
- either she retires
To me it looks a little a bit strange that the VK group stopped posting about Evgenia and that she has shows including in June, when the training camp is supposed to start. And she already missed a lot of training due to injury.

 

[flanker]

Sorry but you don't get to decide what people can talk about here. You may feel Eteri's is the best place for her, but others may not. This is not Eteri Tutberidze's fanfest. Sorry. Make hers if one doesn't exist.

Zhenya Medvedeva is an entity in her own right, not a person who somehow only coexists with Eteri. Yes, they had a good relationship for years, they may still do. Doesn't mean that things don't change or that people don't outgrow their coaches even if they are still on excellent terms. It happens all the time. All the time. I have never seen such apoplexy over something so simple.

Sorry, but you are denying your very own words by your comments. You are criticizing others that they "are refusing Zhenya's right to change coach", but it is your wish, not Zhenyas, at least for what we all know. Those are Zhenya's very own words that she does not intend to change coach or country. So if you proclaim respect to to her own will, then you have to respect her own will expressed in her own words. Till Zhenya herself shall say otherwise, this case is closed.

 

[atsumiri]

She said in many recent interviews she is not retiring.

the same about change coach.

 

[madison]

the same about change coach.

So it remains either nothing happens or she takes a year off ...