Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser

[surimi]

They just say that it was on a moment of big disappointment. Yes it was and a very big one. But you don’t say such things even if you are on disappointment. I couple of months before she was giving that speech at IOC about dreams, fought on ice… Alina had dreams as well. The big sportsmanship is in big moments. (“Ευγενής άμμιλα” as we say in Greek, the first word is actually her name)

So she step on the red line for me, if she passes it most likely be with no return. I will enjoy her skating but with not the same feeling. Maybe I’m overreacting I don’t know, likely.

I would say you are, but only in retrospect will you know if you were. Or can you honestly say you personally have never blurted out anything you didn't later regret? When you're an emotional wreck, people say all sorts of things they may not even really mean. Just saying. Noone is functioning 100% at any single moment.

 

[squall1111]

So I noticed North American and Japanese skaters have much more crossovers and less transitions than Russian Skaters.

The advantages of more crossovers is more height and distance in jumps and more speed and ice coverage across the ice.
But the disadvantage of this is that the program has soo much time for jump preperation that there is little room for music interpretation.

So I am not sure which style is better.

I guess Wilson will give less jam packed transition programs to Zhenya next season and I look foward to faster speed across the ice and more ice coverage.

 

[icetug]

But you don’t say such things even if you are on disappointment.

I wouldn't say Zhenya was disappointed. She was in despair. And no surprise.
But of course, the questions that should be asked in that moment are quite different: Why on Earth Eteri stopped working with Evgenia on her BV in 2015? How it is possible that these years between Rostelecom 2015 and OWG 2018 were not used for learning new, more profitable combination? Why it was only Alina who jumped +3Lo?

 

[rmsxvi]

This might change my view of her. Hope everything goes well.

 

[charlotte14]

So I noticed North American and Japanese skaters have much more crossovers and less transitions than Russian Skaters.

The advantages of more crossovers is more height and distance in jumps and more speed and ice coverage across the ice.
But the disadvantage of this is that the program has soo much time for jump preperation that there is little room for music interpretation.

So I am not sure which style is better.

I guess Wilson will give less jam packed transition programs to Zhenya next season and I look foward to faster speed across the ice and more ice coverage.

Hanyu has the least crossovers, his programs are packed with transitions and his jumps are huge.

 

[thegreendestiny]

I wouldn't say Zhenya was disappointed. She was in despair. And no surprise.
But of course, the questions that should be asked in that moment are quite different: Why on Earth Eteri stopped working with Evgenia on her BV in 2015? How it is possible that these years between Rostelecom 2015 and OWG 2018 were not used for learning new, more profitable combination? Why it was only Alina who jumped +3Lo?

They tried for her to backload everything at the start of the last season (Nepela Trophy) and resulted in injury. It was as difficult as Alina's program but Zhenya just couldn't keep up so they went back to the same formula. If Orser makes major changes in the layouts of her new programs, she will need some time to cope up with it. It doesn't help that she's no longer as lightweight as she used to.

 

[MaiKatze]

First of all, you can't "count your chickens before they hatch." The Russian women have not yet even swept a senior world's podium/ olympics podium. The US swept the podium in 1991 when US woman were the best in the world. But, they still did not get more than 3 spots. Secondly, there are many talented Russian juniors but how many of them will survive puberty and injury? The 2013 Junior World's Podium was swept by Russian women. Elena Radionova, Yulia Lipnitskaya, Anna Pogorilaya. Of those girls, two have retired. And, Elena is not considered a real podium threat domestically or internationally. I would never count Evgenia out. She has the mental strength to overcome anything. I am not sure that Alina has that same special strength but time will tell. She may be a real threat in 4 years too. There is no denying the amazing pool of talent in Russia (Japan too) but I don't think we can be sure this will translate into pushing the current champions off the podium. History suggests otherwise.

Anna has not announced retirement.

 

[chopinskate]

So I noticed North American and Japanese skaters have much more crossovers and less transitions than Russian Skaters.

Not even close to true.

The purpose of choreography is to highlight strengths.

If you have a skater like Hanyu, or Patrick Chan, who can create speed out of nowhere using skating skills, they would absolutely need far fewer crossovers than others. Hence lower set up time for jumps. Hence more choreographic passes. Hence more transitions.

What you see in Med's programs is a lot of low quality transitions, which she specifically has to slow down to do, because she never possessed the right SS for them.

 

[readernick]

Anna has not announced retirement.

Yes, you are right sorry. I thought she had retired. But, she was seriously injured and does not seem likely to skate any time soon.

 

[squall1111]

http://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/830723?page=3

This article states Orser did get many requests from top skaters but turned many down.

 

[charlotte14]

Not even close to true.

The purpose of choreography is to highlight strengths.

If you have a skater like Hanyu, or Patrick Chan, who can both create speed out of nowhere using skating skills, they would absolutely need far fewer crossovers than others. Hence lower set up time for jumps. Hence more choreographic passes. Hence more transitions.

What you see in Med's programs is a lot of low quality transitions, which she specifically has to slow down to do, because she never possessed the right SS for them.

Med is not slow. She is not fast like Osmond but she is light on the ice and not laboured.

 

[karne]

All I care is that Evgenia is freed from abuse, and that she'll have actually good programs next season and no more garbage from Averbukh.

Now let's get Alina out of there. Plushy?

 

[MaiKatze]

Yes, you are right sorry. I thought she had retired. But, she was seriously injured and does not seem likely to skate any time soon.

Actually she's going to appear in Fantasy on Ice in Japan in a few weeks, so while I think she used this season to heal, she's still not finished? We will see how she does there. Who knows what happens....

 

[readernick]

Not even close to true.

The purpose of choreography is to highlight strengths.

If you have a skater like Hanyu, or Patrick Chan, who can create speed out of nowhere using skating skills, they would absolutely need far fewer crossovers than others. Hence lower set up time for jumps. Hence more choreographic passes. Hence more transitions.

What you see in Med's programs is a lot of low quality transitions, which she specifically has to slow down to do, because she never possessed the right SS for them.

I think Alina is a better example than Med of someone with many low quality transitions. (Alina has beautiful jumps and nice arm positions but below the knees the skating isn't that great) Med has good edges. She hasn't really improved since becoming a senior so she doesn't have the speed of the skaters you mentioned but I think that with the right coaching she could create speed out of every transition like Hanyu and Chan. I look forward to seeing her perform programs designed by anyone other than Averbukh and hopefully she will develop more speed in the process. She is a capable performer.

 

[leilaraj]

Not a Medvedeva fan and first I was really shocked but I am kinda excited to see how/if she will change with BOrser

 

[xeyra]

They tried for her to backload everything at the start of the last season (Nepela Trophy) and resulted in injury. It was as difficult as Alina's program but Zhenya just couldn't keep up so they went back to the same formula. If Orser makes major changes in the layouts of her new programs, she will need some time to cope up with it. It doesn't help that she's no longer as lightweight as she used to.

They tried to up her BV in an Olympic season, which was a bit risky. And the moment she didn't go immediately clean on it, they scrapped the layout. I saw a few people comment on how the Russian fed wasn't happy, so they didn't even let her grow into the new layout.

Also, we don't know she got injured because of her more backloaded layout. From what I read at the time, she hit her foot on a bench during off-ice training; it wasn't even due to jumping specifically.

 

[readernick]

Actually she's going to appear in Fantasy on Ice in Japan in a few weeks, so while I think she used this season to heal, she's still not finished? We will see how she does there. Who knows what happens....

I hope she comes back. I enjoy her skating. Thanks for letting me know. I thought the injury was career ending.

 

[chopinskate]

They tried to up her BV in an Olympic season, which was a bit risky. And the moment she didn't go immediately clean on it, they scrapped the layout. I saw a few people comment on how the Russian fed wasn't happy, so they didn't even let her grow into the new layout.

Also, we don't know she got injured because of her more backloaded layout. From what I read at the time, she hit her foot on a bench during off-ice training; it wasn't even due to jumping specifically.

It was the wrong way of growing her layout. I'm not sure why they never trained a 3S-3Lo, or a 3Lo-3Lo, or a 2A-2T-2Lo. Or 3S-2Lo-2Lo, two 3F-3Ts, and two 2As (and 3Lz, 3lo), at least.

Good thing she's leaving.

 

[zounger]

It was the wrong way of growing her layout. I'm not sure why they never trained a 3S-3Lo, or a 3Lo-3Lo, or a 2A-2T-2Lo. Or 3S-2Lo-2Lo, two 3F-3Ts, and two 2As, at least.

Good thing she's leaving.

I'm pretty sure i'seen all of this combinations from Evgenia on official and unofficial practices. Even 3lz -3lo. Probably they were not so consistent in Evgenia's or Eteri's (call it as you want) measure of consistency.

 

[yoloaxel]

It was the wrong way of growing her layout. I'm not sure why they never trained a 3S-3Lo, or a 3Lo-3Lo, or a 2A-2T-2Lo. Or 3S-2Lo-2Lo, two 3F-3Ts, and two 2As (and 3Lz, 3lo), at least.

Good thing she's leaving.

It is strange, because we have seen several times in warm-ups that she can do -3Lo combos. Why they never chose to go for them, we'll never know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFJ4UD9UHdc 3lo-3lo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeoKQw2mNk 3S-3lo(-3T)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDH0EE6pOEA 3F-3T-3Lo