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They tried for her to backload everything at the start of the last season (Nepela Trophy) and resulted in injury.
That's what I'm saying. Backloading means putting all the responsibility for a training process on a skater (and their strength), while new jumps/combinations involve a coach's work. It's like: OK, you have jumps as you have and now you must jump them when you are tired (and I'm just gonna watching...).
Eteri seems to have taken Evgenia's supremacy for granted while in my point of view proper coaching is also foreseeing. I wouldn't say a word if Eteri was only Zhenya's coach. But she has been working also with juniors and I don't understand how it is possible that these girls got more attention regarding jumps than Zhenya did.
 
Her -3Lo combos look so much better than her -3Ts, too.

I have to agree with it. When Zhenya is not under pressure or 'fit' (video1, video2) she seems to make -3T combos better (as well as control the edge and all her jumps are lighter). However her 3lo is one of the best in the field, even haters can't argue with it, so it was always mystery for me too...

So I see two main reasons why they never risk:
1) It's crazy inconsistent (which is still strange to me as if anyone can do new jump with the first try on official practice without preparation than I mean you can maybe at least try to put them into the program :cool14: especially if you can't repeat 3Lz....)

Or 2) They should have to try it during her 2d season, but it was against 'agenda', cuz RusFed needed to keep 3 places for Olympic season and they knew Anna P. and Masha S. are not stable....(but still even if they didn't try to change layout in WC, why would they not try new elements on World Team Trophy, it was nothing to lose there...It would be interesting to see what layout Alina has for next season; she said they would focus on consistency but who knows now....)
 
Hanyu has the least crossovers, his programs are packed with transitions and his jumps are huge.
Which is why I am astonished and admire him greatly. He also conceals his crossovers in between choreography so you won't notice them too much.

I have been watching many Yuna Kim, Korean skaters, NA skaters and Japanese ladies programs and they have more obvious crossovers, in that the crossovers stand out more because there are more of them and less transitions in between them than russian ladies. But I also noticed this gives them great speed and higher jumps in return. I don't know what style I prefer yet but I noticed Alena K also conceals her crossovers between many transitions so you don't feel bored during the program. The perfect balance of crossovers and transitions in a program in my opinion is the example of Hanyu and Alena K. Whilst Zagitova and Zhenya on the other hand have so much transitions that sometimes they don't carry the speed to their jumps and their jumps have less fluidity coming out of them, than say Osmond's or Wakaba's jumps because of this.
 
Wishing Evgenia & Brian every success!
Can't help feeling a little sceptical though the reason being is that no one before managed to 'escape' the camp and continue a successful skating career (one exception is Voronov but he hadn't spent that long and was an adult when he got there). The very training methods (10 run throughs a day etc) lead to such wear & tear on the athletes bodies that the long career is impossible - see Polina S, Yulia (her eating disorder was not the only reason for her retirement), Adian...
Hope to be proved wrong
 
There now are four others: Ghislain Briand (primary coach for Lafuente and the second Spanish man, Javier Raya); Lee Barkell (coach of Daleman, and Iliushechkina and Moscovitch); Andrew Hallam (stroking, skating skills, steps); and Paige Aistrop (spin doctor).

On a recent Wednesday, Orser was at the rink by 7 a.m. to work with younger elite skaters before they headed to school. His usual weekday arrival time is 9 a.m., and he stays until 4 or 5. He also comes in on an occasional Saturday, especially lately, because that is when Chartrand and her primary coach, Michelle Leigh, train at the Cricket Club.

While there are such "primary" designations, which apply mostly to private lessons, what the skaters like is how willing every coach is to work with any of them.

"The good thing here is you know if your main coach is away, someone else is going to be there to help you," Daleman said. "They are so close as a team."

Added Lafuente: "We all have bad days, but the coaches always have a smile on their faces. You can see they enjoy what they are doing. It helps you through the hard days."

Jeffrey Buttle, the 2008 world champion, is at the club nearly every day working as a choreographer. He marvels at the cooperation among the coaches and skaters, especially with up to 14 leading skaters often on the ice at the same time.

"There is no competitiveness among the coaches," Buttle said. "The skaters all gain momentum from watching the way champions like Hanyu and Fernándezrespect each other. It generates a good competitive spirit among all the skaters."

Three are men who finished in the top five at last year's worlds: Fernández (first), Hanyu (second) and Nguyen (fifth). Talk about the possibility of mind games and clashing egos.

"I have never felt any jealousies here," Nguyen said.

Joe Pacheco, the club's skating supervisor for 26 years, also has been struck by the camaraderie.

"They all feed off each other," Pacheco said. "You see the big names giving pointers to the other kids. It's not something they keep for themselves."

It is exactly that sort of environment that led Daleman to the Cricket Club a year ago. She came as a reigning Canadian champion who was losing her passion for the sport.

"Her skating has gone to another level because she's enjoying the sport again," Daleman's mother, Rhonda, said. "It's not just about results."

Rhonda Daleman was talking in the comfortable lounge area where the skaters often eat lunch or relax between twice-daily practice sessions. A glass wall separates the lounge from Cricket Club's figure skating ice surface, creating an openness reflected by the skating area.

It is a surface with no boards. Mirrors are spaced along the walls and ice level. Light comes in from multiple windows on the end wall opposite the lounge. Coaches watch from an apron surrounding the ice, then simply step out anywhere if they need to demonstrate something. The feeling is more of a dance studio than a rink.

The venerable club has everything a skater could need: fitness center, wellness center with physiotherapists and massage therapists, restaurants and snack bar with many varieties of healthy food.

A few years ago, when the club was doing renovations, coaches were asked for recommendations.

"I told them not to change anything," Tracy Wilson said. "We're not sure why things work, but I don't want to mess with it. There is a funky energy here."

Where else, after all, is there a skater who can also give tips on martial arts like Moscovitch, who specializes in Krav Maga, a hand-to-hand combat system used by Israel's defense forces?

"Sometimes, our way of warming up is wrestling with each other," said Lafuente, laughing about tag team "matches" pitting the women against the men.

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For skating clubs, heydays can be fleeting. When Orser was at the peak of his career, the Mariposa School of Skating in Barrie, Ontario, was the place to be, and that drew future world champions like Buttle and Elvis Stojko. Kristi Yamaguchi and Kurt Browning made the Glenora Club in Edmonton a mecca.

Oberstdorf, Germany, the World Arena in Colorado Springs (formerly the Broadmoor) and Toyota Sports Center in Los Angeles also have recently been the training homes of multiple national and international medalists.

"It comes in waves," Buttle said.

At the Cricket Club, they have been riding the wave for a decade, with no signs of slowing. In the past 50 years, there has never been such a confluence of so many top skaters from so many different countries coexisting for so long.

"There are times Tracy and I just stand back at a practice session and say to each other amazement, 'Look at this,''' Orser said. "These skaters make us look pretty good.

"Just because we're the hot spot now doesn't mean we will always be the hot spot," Orser continued. "As soon as you feel complacent, you need to do something. I don't take anything for granted."

Both Orser and Wilson have ice cred as Olympic medalists. Choreographers like Buttle and David Wilson like to work with them -- and their coaching colleagues -- because the coaches appreciate the art and requirements of program choreography. The coaches like to work with Buttle and David Wilson because they are choreographers who appreciate technique and the athletic demands of each element.

And the skaters appreciate each other, never more so than in the contest to keep the rink bell ringing. There is a spirit of all being in this together, not unlike what John Donne meant when he wrote that any funeral bell tolls for all humanity, even if he was thinking about matters far more serious than sport.

"People in the rink with you understand your suffering, and also your glory," Nguyen said.

So it was a while ago when a struggling Nguyen ended his weeks-long drought of clean practice programs. Orser banged the bell so hard three times that it left a joyous ringing in everyone's ears.

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Med is not slow. She is not fast like Osmond but she is light on the ice and not laboured.

She is definitely not slow but she is laboured. I saw them both at Skate Canada in 2016 and was right beside the ice. Medvedeva puts all her strength into moved across ice. It is not as aesthetically pleasing but she's a strong competitor because of it. I am really excited to see what progress Brian do in 4 years to her SS because there's a lot to be desired from that front.
 
She is definitely not slow but she is laboured. I saw them both at Skate Canada in 2016 and was right beside the ice. Medvedeva puts all her strength into moved across ice. It is not as aesthetically pleasing but she's a strong competitor because of it. I am really excited to see what progress Brian do in 4 years to her SS because there's a lot to be desired from that front.
And I saw Med at CoR 2017 which was 1 year later compared to you. I watched all the practice and competition, gala. While I wouldn’t call Med skating as superb but clearly she has improved. She didn’t look slow and labored. And she moved multidirectional on the ice more than Carolina to be frankly.
I’d say there is much for Med to improve. But her SS isn’t poor or labored.
 
Discovered only now.

It is a shocker but i think she made the right move.

Eteri Tutberidze is a great coach, but she has now the reputation and power in Russia to have always the best talents from probably the best pools in figure skating in the entire world. She is no longer the coach she used to be with Julia or Polina Shelepen, the new generations will always be better than you and Eteri doesn't have the time to wait for you, while Evgenia wants her career to last so she had to change.

It won't be easy though: cause this change is radical, and as we saw with Elizabet Tursynbaeva, Brian has a very different style of coaching from Eteri, Evgenia needs to understand it sooner rather than later but i think she is smart, she'll figure it out.

Ultimately i'm happy for her: as probably everyone know here, i was one of those people that thought she should have won the gold at the Olympics because artistically she's better than Alina, and i hope she can improve even more on that front with Brian, Tracy and David.
 
Agree with Tolstoj--I think this is a great move for her--not just for her skating, but also to experience new things in life.
 
However, if Russian ladies do a podium sweep for GPF and Worlds for more than 2 seasons in a row leading up to Olympics, if say the competition becomes too fierce and concentrated within Russia, Russian Fed will make an appeal to IOC and to ISU to maximize top spots for top country. It will happen if the Eteri girls do well in senior as they are expected to.

I think it would make olympics more exciting if Alenka, Trusova, Anna, Alina Z and Zhenya could all represent Russia. But that would never happen. But I do wish the maximum spots increased to 4 from 3.

What I would support instead of the blanket move from 3 to 4, is that for major competitions like GPF/Euro/4cc/Worlds - they allow the champion (gold medal) to 'defend' their title and that skater be allowed at the event without it counting against their country's allotted spots.
 
What I would support instead of the blanket move from 3 to 4, is that for major competitions like GPF/Euro/4cc/Worlds - they allow the champion (gold medal) to 'defend' their title and that skater be allowed at the event without it counting against their country's allotted spots.
I agree with this and it’s the only time I think having 4 is appropriate. BUT I think that the winners placement shouldn’t count towards the 13 quota.

So for example, keatlyn gets her spot. But since they had 3 ppl competing they go by Gabby and Larkyns placement, meaning 2 spots for Canada.

That way you would only end up with 4 spots is if your country came 1, 2 and 7 for example.

2 + 7 is 9 There 3 spots, plus the defending champion. I think this would be fair and VERY hard to achieve
 
Am quite impressed with how Evgenia handled the whole situation, granted that she's the one in the driving seat. It could get tricky or even a bit ugly given the long history of drama in the Russian Skating Union. What I am not optimistic about is her prospects at the next Olympics (lets be honest, she's like Michelle Kwan in that way, fully determined to get to the top of the podium), but overall I love that she really goes for it.
 
I just don't see how she could stay...with Eteri to clarify. It's going to be more of those juniors coming into seniors competing with her in practice and comp. She's obviously hurt that she (Eteri) let Alina turn senior so soon.
 
Do you expect people to keep supporting someone who behaves like Eteri to keep working with children? If the "boom" is over, maybe the person to replace Eteri will be less awful. It's not like there aren't other schools in Russia, anyway. Stop thinking of the "boom", and think about the people who have to work with her, maybe you'll understand where these "haters" are coming from.

I do understand. I believe she will be banned from coaching very soon.

I am quite sure Eteri is not the cause of the Russian boom. Russia spent a lot of money developing their figure skating program prior to Sochi. Then, Adelina won a gold medal. Success breads success. There are so many talented young Russian skaters/ such a huge pool of talent and Eteri accepts the best. Other Russin coaches could also be successful with this level of support and that pool of talent. No one thinks having Eteri retire will make the Russian "ladies boom" disappear. That is a ridiculous. Some Russian fans, have a real persecution complex. (not all/ but some) Constructive criticism isn't hate. Eteri is obviously doing a lot of things right. But, she is also so emotionally immature and untrustworthy that I woud not want her to coach my daughter. Alena K. , Trusov, and the other juniors are amazing and would thrive under any coach who provided approprate technical help, structure, and internal competition. I am sure there are many coaches in Russian capable of offering that environment. No one wants these beautiful skaters to fail. We want Eteri to behave like a mature adult.

No one is waiting for eteri to become a good mature responsible person. She is going to be banned from coaching soon and her students will be divided among other coaches.
 
I just don't see how she could stay.

So, she just retired and that´s the end.

Evgenia is doing the best for herself, and this moment she thinks and believe she can still compete, so more power to her for taking the steps she believes necessary to achieve her objects.

We don´t have a crystal ball to see what will happened in the next years, we don´t even know what the rules are going to be. So as every sportsman/ sport woman only they can decide when to retired and when to continue.
 
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