Evgenia Medvedeva
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Taking pictures. :rofl2:
Seriously though, I think it was the last day of filming for Ice Age. She was probably up for that.
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For what it’s worth, I’m also a former athlete who is now a psychologist and I’m looking to potentially respecialize in sports psychology sometime in the future. I was drawn to the Russian figure skaters at first because of their amazing performances at the olympics and was then curious about the dynamic of training under the same coach. But as I really watched Eteri’s body language and then learned more from several documentaries, I came to really question Eteri and her methods. Anyone committing abuse knows enough to censor themselves somewhat on camera, so I don’t think you can really know what goes on behind closed doors. And remember she doesn’t let parents watch training. The fact that almost every student leaves Eteri at a certain point says something. The consensus is that she can’t coach athletes past a certain age, which im sure is a part of it, but I think it’s also the age when children become old enough to be trusted to make decisions for themselves.
I don’t think one can really understand what it’s like to train under a coach who is a crazy narcissist control freak unless you’ve been through it or something similar. It absolutely is abuse and comparing it to slave labor is actually not a bad analogy. An athletes body is no longer their own, it must completely obey the coach despite injuries, pain, exhaustion, etc. Yes, sometimes coaches need to push an athlete and may utilize yelling and psychological means. But the athlete should always have some level of agency - at that level they are already self-motivated to work extremely hard and they need to trust themselves, not their coach, if they are in physical pain. It’s this absolute authoritarian obedience and submission that is problematic.
Eteri herself has said that they must completely submit to the coach without question. Which Zhenya did. She endured all the abuse, completely trusted her coach, did everything she possibly could because she was told this would make her a champion. I knew she had to leave Eteri at some point after this - she could no longer believe that what she endured was necessary and questioned her trust in Eteri.
The thing that really stood out to me was how long Zhenya and Alina hugged after the scores were announced. She was obligated to hug and congratulate her, but I imagined this would be very short and stiff. This would be understandable, this was the person who beat her at her ultimate goal, in that moment it would be very hard for someone so highly competitive to genuinely hug their competitor, even if they otherwise were friends. But you can clearly see Alina comforting her. And Alina mentions that what was said in those moments was only for them, that no one else could know. I saw this as Zhenya going to the only person who could understand what she’s really been through these last few years. They were united in their shared experience of abuse.
On the contrary Eteri encourages parents to sit in the trainings of their children.
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New FS podcast: they ran a segment on the split (because why wouldn’t they? It’s only the biggest news of the off season).
https://inthelopodcast.tumblr.com/post/173890399070/episode-1-full-transcript
https://inthelopodcast.tumblr.com/post/173890399070/episode-1-full-transcript
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Sorry , I will not answer for this ..
I can only say one thing - WHAAT ?
Yes, WHAAT?
But remember, The line it is drawn, the curse it is cast. The body language, the words no one heard. How can you doubt such irrefutable evidence
No , I said why - if she really is concerned about coaching methods,she should have started this discussing long time ago .
Its look like "independent opinion" from Kozevnikova , but TAT is behind
so you dont believe her because she didnt say it earlier? so person who knew about something bad and was silent but after some time want to critcize has no right to do so? again interesting reasoning. as I earlier said open secret works like this, people know for years but they are silent till someone make first move.
ps. EdRoz and Flanker it is Zhenya fanfest so please
Who will be the next who does not want to be a slave? Ohh , I know , US Navy Seals !!!
Commander - "We shouldn't allow juveniles and parents to do such a hard train because not everybody can do them !!! Private Smith is very tired and he is afraid of water.
We will not allow any abuse, no one should feel like a slave and humiliated. Therefore, please take the X-boxes and will play Battlefield ..
sorry that I broke the silence in the barracks, rest please"
and writing WHAT doesn't add nothing new to this discussion
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Yes, WHAAT?
But remember, The line it is drawn, the curse it is cast. The body language, the words no one heard. How can you doubt such irrefutable evidence
Who will be the next who does not want to be a slave? Ohh , I know , US Navy Seals !!!
Commander - "We shouldn't allow juveniles and parents to do such a hard train because not everybody can do them !!! Private Smith is very tired and he is afraid of water.
We will not allow any abuse, no one should feel like a slave and humiliated. Therefore, please take the X-boxes and will play Battlefield ..
sorry that I broke the silence in the barracks, rest please"
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Do you know Ms. Kozevnikova? Maybe she was not asked before in a newspaper about coaching methods.
Sources? Links?Its look like "independent opinion" from Kozevnikova , but TAT is behind
Ms. Kozevnikova is a sport psychologist. For me, it is no wonder that her alarm bells go off after she had read eteri´s interview.
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It was discussed here , but OK , sorry
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Yes, fanfest, not "hater-fest", I would like to say
If Zhenya doesn't want to make a flame war (or any other war) against Eteri, I don't know why we as her fans should. It is also very doubtful to bring other skaters into it and I really don't know how that adds anything new to discussion.- Joined
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Yes , I do not believe that she speaks sincerely ..
And I understand that you do not know what a real sport is and what athletes give to become champions, they are different from ordinary people, we and they are absolutely different, what you think is abusive - for them this obstacle that must be overcome .
Sport is war minus shooting. (George Orwell )
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hard to not like this photo. she is an angel. she will look great in a wedding dress.
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Zhenya with King
ps. sorry guys I am too old for pointless arguments. Look somewhere else
Of course, Zhenya experienced a very difficult year both physically and psychologically. After all the words of her ex-coach in the film that Zhenya was going through the circle of hell are quite indicative.
It was very interesting episode of Ice Age, which was shooted two weeks before Medvexit where apparently everyone knew already. There TAT and Yagudin said some interesting things but I will translate only the words which Zhenya said to the leaving children:
We are all grateful because there are incredibly great people here who help to build our destiny. And I'm sure that this is not our last meeting, and we still have a lot of work to do. And you will become better and better and as TAT said and I myself only recently realized that the most important thing is probably not the result, and not only the satisfaction of the achieved goals, but most importantly is to enjoy what you do everyday not only when you stand on a pedestal but when your work makes you happy every day.
Of course her experience both good and bad in the previous group will remain with her for life. But one of her indisputable talents is enormous mental strength so like TAT said if Zhenya will be healthy she will be happy in Canada.
It was very interesting episode of Ice Age, which was shooted two weeks before Medvexit where apparently everyone knew already. There TAT and Yagudin said some interesting things but I will translate only the words which Zhenya said to the leaving children:
We are all grateful because there are incredibly great people here who help to build our destiny. And I'm sure that this is not our last meeting, and we still have a lot of work to do. And you will become better and better and as TAT said and I myself only recently realized that the most important thing is probably not the result, and not only the satisfaction of the achieved goals, but most importantly is to enjoy what you do everyday not only when you stand on a pedestal but when your work makes you happy every day.
Of course her experience both good and bad in the previous group will remain with her for life. But one of her indisputable talents is enormous mental strength so like TAT said if Zhenya will be healthy she will be happy in Canada.
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Yes, fanfest, not "hater-fest", I would like to say
Wow big words...war against Eteri. Looks like you have really a problem with people who disagree with you. But you got not decided what people here post or write (maybe you forgot already the first may week). This is Zhenya´s fanfest and we have everyright to question Eteri! If you do not see mistakes in Eteri´s coaching methods, then thats fine but there are many people who see it differently.
So open an Eteri fanfest(if one does not exist), I think you are one of her big fans.
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Do you have a source for this? I will have to look through the many clips I’ve watched but I distinctly remember her saying something like she was the mother at the rink and she needs parents to hand over their authority to her.
There Eteri said about parents role and she is more for teamwork with them https://rsport.ria.ru/interview/20170505/1120015384.html
And Meds grandmother was seen in the training in the last movie and Yulia's mother got job on their rink if remember it right.
I try to say safer not to cause anger in Med fanfest, it's not that parents do not know anything, they just work together with Eteri. How specifically this team works it was shown in her interview to Vogue, I translated it somewhere on this forum.
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That’s not what I’m saying at all. Navy seals undergo literal torture to become resistant to it because it’s necessary for combat. Children, who are not yet legally allowed to make their own decisions about their lives, should not endure the same treatment as soldiers. Also, this sort of training and combat leaves people physically and emotionally scarred. I have no problem with intense 9 hour trainings. I do have a problem with a coach who is not a registered dietitian preventing children from eating. I also have a problem with physically dragging a young crying child around a rink when she misses a jump. And I have a problem with a certain level of screaming and unnecessary belittling of children. Adults can decide if they want to endure it or not, I wouldn’t have a problem if eteri was coaching only adults as they have the autonomy to decide if they want to endure it. Children are vulnerable.Who will be the next who does not want to be a slave? Ohh , I know , US Navy Seals !!!
Commander - "We shouldn't allow juveniles and parents to do such a hard train because not everybody can do them !!! Private Smith is very tired and he is afraid of water.
We will not allow any abuse, no one should feel like a slave and humiliated. Therefore, please take the X-boxes and will play Battlefield ..
sorry that I broke the silence in the barracks, rest please"
It reminds me of the Russian gymnast who got paralyzed in training and her first thought was relief that now she wouldn’t have to compete in the olympics. These athletes are put under enormous pressure and endure training that the average person cannot understand. And even when they succeed it’s not necessarily healthy or something they look back on fondly. Michael Phelps recently talked about how he was suicidal after the olympics.
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