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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2017-2018

You're entitled to your opinion but I'll disagree. I think he's shown great artistic growth throughout the years.

And he's primarily an athlete, with a side of artistry. As this is a sport, it has rules. Those rules have to come first. Everything else is built around them, and the goal of winning. You cannot have Yagudin's step-sequences from Winter these days; those days are gone. Instead we have CoP and they must abide by all those rules. It's limiting. Then we have the issue that was very apparent during the previous season, 2016/17, and Hope & Legacy, and the lack of resonance of internal type programs with Western audiences, including judges. This is another thing Yuzuru himself has remarked upon, the Asian expression/lack of appropriate scores (he's hardly the only person that has this issue, see Satoko for example) so that's another set of limits, self-imposed in a way.

I wasn't really thinking along the lines of making Yagudin-esque kind of step sequences when I mentioned artistic growth, or that I find Yuzuru's artistic growth to be lacking in relation to how H&L of Semei are unappealing to Western audience. His H&L and Seimei are the artistic pursuit I actually have in mind for Yuzuru to thread on, since I'm one of those who keep repeating that we need more non-traditional/non-western music in figure skating. My point is that Yuzuru has a specific style (or approach in his skating/technique) that has limited him in interpreting his programs like H&L or Seimei because he had been using it for so long. H&L, for example, could have been better if it was choreographed with more glide, with less arm movements and with more "low/slow" rhythm and vulnerability that he showed in R&J 1.0, to truly depict the depth of a flowing river. But for so long, his choreography has been fitted to suit his style, rather than push him beyond and above what he is already great at.

That he's deliberately thinking of expanding the depth of how we understand figure skating; that it is more than classical western music, that we can pay attention to a large and diverse form of music not known to the large audience, tells me that he wants to grow artistically too and that he just doesn't consider himself an athlete first.

But true though, I'm actually torn between wanting Yuzuru to turn pro and experiment with much more freedom and at the same time pursue his goal of landing a 4A. :laugh:
 
Thank you everyone for your inputs. As a newbie on the technical and art aspects of FS plus clueless of the rules your discussions are interesting.
FaOI will start on Friday if I remember correctly, if Yuzu has some surprise for us let's anticipate.
And once the new rules are out, we have to expect the unexpected with a heathier Yuzuru Hanyu.
Has he arrived in Japan now? Yesterday I only notice Misha and Johnny.
 
Thank you everyone for your inputs. As a newbie on the technical and art aspects of FS plus clueless of the rules your discussions are interesting.
FaOI will start on Friday if I remember correctly, if Yuzu has some surprise for us let's anticipate.
And once the new rules are out, we have to expect the unexpected with a heathier Yuzuru Hanyu.
Has he arrived in Japan now? Yesterday I only notice Misha and Johnny.

Which cast member will post the first picture of Yuzu on their SNS? That's the question. :biggrin:
 
Back to the topic at hand, it's interesting how different people view the same program. For R&J1 and Seimei, I never thought of either programs as being about the character as it was about a story.
I don't differ here. I talk about character arcs, instead of characters themselves. R&J does indeed tell a story, where Seimei less so to me, even though there is an attempt to build a character and an arc. For just character work, I would probably come up with Javi's Charlie Chaplin.
 
While I think he's probably going to give himself more freedom, I trust he'll still be focused on winning; it's just how he is. As long as that holds, he'll be limited in certain ways. Once he's retired, he can experiment all he likes during shows where there are no restrictions (see Tatsuki these days).

I agree.

I personally think he will be focusing on landing 4A in the competition first, and as long as he competes, he will aim for winning more or less (I've just rewatched one of the interviews after PC Olympics where he said if he competed in the next Olympics, he would win :laugh:) I am the one who likes watching the competitions more than ice shows, and I didn't know what to do when I thought about his retirement (even though I knew he would turn to be a pro), but CiONTU gave me life. Now I am only looking forward to seeing his future performances after the retirement, I am not as sad as I was before. Because I am sure he will show us what he likes and different approaches to the skating.

But until then, I wish him good luck on his new goal and health :hap10:
 
Hope he chooses skate canada this year because GPF is also in canada. Much less travelling time for him if he chooses Skate Canada and NHK in my opinion
 

Thanks for posting! It was nice of ESPN to do a feature on him, but this article was disappointing. It mostly repeated what many (fans or not) know about him, because a lot of what was mentioned was talked about during the Olympics.

I was hoping for something with a little more depth being as the reporter traveled to Japan to write the story. Oh well.

I guess any exposure to western audiences is better than none.
 
Thanks for posting! It was nice of ESPN to do a feature on him, but this article was disappointing. It mostly repeated what many (fans or not) know about him, because a lot of what was mentioned was talked about during the Olympics.

I was hoping for something with a little more depth being as the reporter traveled to Japan to write the story. Oh well.

I guess any exposure to western audiences is better than none.

I don't think it is written for fans who know every detail about him. It is written for general foreigner audience, it's introducing them to who Yuzuru is. I found it a nicely written document on that regard :)
 
I don't think it is written for fans who know every detail about him. It is written for general foreigner audience, it's introducing them to who Yuzuru is. I found it a nicely written document on that regard :)
I heard he was like the only figure skater on that ESPN 100 ranking. I'm guessing ESPN covers major sports much more than figure skating so it was right of them to write the article in introductory fashion as you mention. [emoji8]
 
Thanks for posting! It was nice of ESPN to do a feature on him, but this article was disappointing. It mostly repeated what many (fans or not) know about him, because a lot of what was mentioned was talked about during the Olympics.

I was hoping for something with a little more depth being as the reporter traveled to Japan to write the story. Oh well.

I guess any exposure to western audiences is better than none.

I don't think it is written for fans who know every detail about him. It is written for general foreigner audience, it's introducing them to who Yuzuru is. I found it a nicely written document on that regard :)

I agree with Farnaz, as the writer states, skater pop every 4 years into the public eye thanks to the Olympics. So Yuzuru needs an introduction, the article was wrote to regular ESPN magazine readers, that probably don´t follow figure skating. The fact that he got listed and got a feature is great for him, and the point of view about him being more than a pretty face is a nice one in my opinion.
 
I love the way Yuzuru handles his popularity like he does in every competition.
Be cool, collected and silent before the presentation. Give an explosive result.
Remain humble while accepting applause then silently go back to hiding probably planning his next move.
 
I love the way Yuzuru handles his popularity like he does in every competition.
Be cool, collected and silent before the presentation. Give an explosive result.
Remain humble while accepting applause then silently go back to hiding probably planning his next move.
I think he has one of the strongest mental strengths in figure skating, looking at 2014 CoC and at 2018 olympics, how he handles injuries
 
I love the way Yuzuru handles his popularity like he does in every competition.
Be cool, collected and silent before the presentation. Give an explosive result.
Remain humble while accepting applause then silently go back to hiding probably planning his next move.

That's a smart man :agree:
 
I think from tomorrow we may get some photos from practice of Yuzu? We've seen most of the rest of the cast traveling on their way or arriving in the area.
 
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