Yuzuru Hanyu: 2017-2018

[xeyra]

From what I understand, the only change is that only one of the two repeated jumps can be a quad. Everything else stays the same. But I might be wrong, that conference was sure hard to follow

You're right. The rulings says you can still repeat two jumps (triples/quads) but only one of those repeated jumps can be a quad. So you can repeat 2 triples or 1 triple and 1 quad. You still have 3 jump combos (one with 3 jumps) and a quad and triple of the same type count as different jumps so you could, if you want, repeat 4T AND 3T.

 

[Interspectator]

https://twitter.com/23238ffm/status/1004628143183839232 Yuzu's bags from COC 2011 have turned up in the bag museum.
Look at that Pooh keychain!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfEn91RUEAAq9QI.jpg Description from museum.

 

[sun110]

https://twitter.com/23238ffm/status/1004628143183839232 Yuzu's bags from COC 2011 have turned up in the bag museum.
Look at that Pooh keychain!

The Pooh is holding a heart with 'Yuzu' on it:luv17:. I remember reading somewhere this is a gift from fan. Is it true?

 

[eaglehelang]

Ah cool! Then I’d definitely change to:

4Lo
4S+3T
4S
4T+2T
3A+Lo+3S
3A
3Lz

I would put the two 3A at the end cos only last 3 jumps get 10% bonus :
4Lo
4S
4T
3Lo or 3Lz
___________________
4t +3T
3A+1Lo+3S
3A

If a jump is repeated, can both jumps be in combo ??

 

[DorYiu]

I think he might repeat the 4T instead of the 4S. It's only .20 difference in total BV and his 4T3T is more reliable than his 4S3T.

So... 4Lo 4T 3F 4S // 4T3T 3A1Lo3S 3A2T

Yuzu did a 4T-3A combination in FaOI last week, if my (very) short term memory serves me right. Could be something he work on for the coming season. If this is the case, he might repeat 4S in the combination in second half?
For a more balance program, he likes having one of the combinations in the first half, so if the last 3 jumps has 1.1, the single jump with the highest BV will go to the end of the program, not sure if 4Lz would make a return anytime soon, even if it does, it would most likely not be his last jump, properly the first one, so may the 4lo will be move to second half.

EDIT: just realised that the 4S can’t be repeat, if 4T has been repeated.

 

[xeyra]

Yuzu did a 4T-3A combination in FaOI last week, if my (very) short term memory serves me right. Could be something he work on for the coming season. If this is the case, he might repeat 4S in the combination in second half? :think:
For a more balance program, he likes having one of the combinations in the first half, so if the last 3 jumps has 1.1, the single jump with the highest BV will go to the end of the program, not sure if 4Lz would make a return anytime soon, even if it does, it would most likely not be his last jump, properly the first one, so may the 4lo will be move to second half.

No, 4T-3A and other sequences are only worth 80% of its BV, so no one does a sequence if they can avoid it.

 

[xeyra]

I would put the two 3A at the end cos only last 3 jumps get 10% bonus :
4Lo
4S
4T
3Lo or 3Lz
___________________
4t +3T
3A+1Lo+3S
3A

If a jump is repeated, can both jumps be in combo ??

Yes, you can. Yuzu has had combos on both his 3As for ages.

 

[DorYiu]

No, 4T-3A and other sequences are only worth 80% of its BV, so no one does a sequence if they can avoid it.

Thanks for the information, I often get confuse with the BV when the jumps are in combination, I only reference to jumps that was done in competitions before for their BV. 80%, that’s why we don’t see 4T-3A in competitions.

 

[Danibellerika]

Yuzu did a 4T-3A combination in FaOI last week, if my (very) short term memory serves me right. Could be something he work on for the coming season. If this is the case, he might repeat 4S in the combination in second half?
For a more balance program, he likes having one of the combinations in the first half, so if the last 3 jumps has 1.1, the single jump with the highest BV will go to the end of the program, not sure if 4Lz would make a return anytime soon, even if it does, it would most likely not be his last jump, properly the first one, so may the 4lo will be move to second half.

EDIT: just realised that the 4S can’t be repeat, if 4T has been repeated.

His combos have all been in the second half.

 

[LucyH]

The voting has finished and the ISU congress decided to vote on all the amended rules as a package.

the no quad repetition proposal was amended to Up to 1 quad repetition allowed, and up to 2 triple repetition allowed. ...I'm not explaining it well:
https://twitter.com/InTheLoPodcast/status/1004634596338614272

And the requirement for steps preceding the single jump in the SP was removed.
https://twitter.com/InTheLoPodcast/status/1004641042874822656

In the end, since Yuzu has a very strong 3A, these changes will not affect him much.

But what do you-all think?

I don't like the rule at all but in all honesty it probably impacts him the least.... the max 5 quad rule with only 1 type of quad being repeated actually would impact the layout (now and future likely) of Nathan and Vincent the most as Nathan had a layout with 6 quads with 2 types of quads repeated and 3A is the highest BV scoring triple and both their 3A's are not that great whereas Yuzu has the best scoring 3A (GOE wise) of all the men. I'm not worried about him, people forget that BOrser was the original maximizer of points in programs for Yuzu but without sacrificing artistry...

 

[DorYiu]

His combos have all been in the second half.

You are correct, sorry, taken the first 4T-3T as if it was in first half, but check to score sheets, it’s actaully in the second half.

 

[cruzceleste]

The voting has finished and the ISU congress decided to vote on all the amended rules as a package.

the no quad repetition proposal was amended to Up to 1 quad repetition allowed, and up to 2 triple repetition allowed. ...I'm not explaining it well:
https://twitter.com/InTheLoPodcast/status/1004634596338614272

And the requirement for steps preceding the single jump in the SP was removed.
https://twitter.com/InTheLoPodcast/status/1004641042874822656

In the end, since Yuzu has a very strong 3A, these changes will not affect him much.

But what do you-all think?

So, there is no need for me to take my torch aand travel all the way to ISU office?

 

[Farnaz]

So, there is no need for me to take my torch aand travel all the way to ISU office?

 

[khtmyzr]

The Shibutanis’ vlog from Rostelecom 2017 with Yuzu here and there
https://youtu.be/FQR6703HVr0

 

[lichi]

https://youtu.be/FQR6703HVr0?t=179

Does anyone know what he's saying here?

 

[khtmyzr]

https://youtu.be/FQR6703HVr0?t=179

Does anyone know what he's saying here?

I think he said the rope was “a bit short” in Japanese? Not sure though, I only know elementary Japanese

 

[Danibellerika]

I think he said the rope was “a bit short” in Japanese? Not sure though, I only know elementary Japanese

Sounds like it to me. I heard "chotto mijikai".

 

[kiches]

I love the Shibs' vlogs! Yuzu trying to jump with the short rope was funny, but the moment of the blog is Stephane's, "Now I'm a coach. Okay, so even if I'm wrong, I'm right."

 

[khtmyzr]

the moment of the blog is Stephane's, "Now I'm a coach. Okay, so even if I'm wrong, I'm right."

Hahaha yes. What I find funny was while we have Stephane saying that in the foreground, Yuzu and Deniss at the back seemed to be in the middle of some serious discussion...
Oh Deniss, did you hear what your coach just said?

 

[Henni147]

I don't like the rule at all but in all honesty it probably impacts him the least...

This rule makes no sense, because it doesn't effect any skater in the current men's field really. There were only two skaters with two quad repeats at OWG: Nathan and Yuzu.
If Yuzu get's his 4Lo back (not to mention a possible 4Lz-comeback or 4A-debut), there's no need for him to repeat two quads anymore.
Same with Nathan. I've seen a good 4Lo in practice from him already, so he can keep his 6-quad-layout, if he likes. Yale will be a much bigger problem for him than this rule, I'll tell you.

No quad repeat in the short... Well, that's no news, since it's been forbidden under the old system, too No quad-quad combo allowed and the solo jump had to be different from the two combo-jumps. You could never do a 4T and a 4T+3T in the same short.
So there won't be any major change except the extended GOE-range and the backloading issue...

Oh, wait: has a solo jump finally been cancelled in the men's free? If so, my layout guess would be as follows:
4Lo
4S
4T
3F

4S+3T
3A+2T
3A+1Lo+3S

I would never drop the best camouflage-3F in the world for that diabolic 3Lz. Never ever. :dev2: