2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[dante]

JuniorTV/Studio 38 will stream Moscow Open: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7IvcuUJ4AH19WO4Om-44JA/videos?view=2&flow=grid&live_view=502
Only pairs and men are in the schedule yet.

Entries: https://translate.google.com/transl...0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB.pdf&edit-text=&act=url

 

[typeyournamehere]

So this week it’ll be Trusova and Sinitsina? Unless something happens at this domestic Russian competition going on tomorrow?

This week it will be Trusova and everyone else. Pretty much the same what i've said after Brisbane can be applied here

This junior season: Trusova and everyone else

 

[typeyournamehere]

until Scherbakova gets her 4Lz and Kostornaia gets her 3A they cant seriously compete with Trusova, and only can hope for some serious mistakes from her

 

[typeyournamehere]

If everything goes as planned in the free skate Tarusina or Kanysheva for the second event will be a question unless the latter scores above 130.

now its clear that Kanysheva is better in terms of pretty much everything... i feel sorry for Tarusina but now her second spot might be in doubt

 

[Lana05]

I think you all highly understimate Samodurova and Panenkova. They were very consistent and has good jumps. IMHO it'll be Sophia at Rostelecom Cup. Polina is overhyped she didn't show last season anything and I doubt that will change this year. Also there is always Konstantinova with TAT behide her... So she also has good chances for TOP3
But as I can see TOP3 Zagitova, Panenkova (she'll probably will return to Eteri ) and Medvedeva (or Tuktamysheva depends on their form)

 

[typeyournamehere]

I think you all highly understimate Samodurova and Panenkova. They were very consistent and has good jumps. IMHO it'll be Sophia at Rostelecom Cup. Polina is overhyped she didn't show last season anything and I doubt that will change this year. Also there is always Konstantinova with TAT behide her... So she also has good chances for TOP3
But as I can see TOP3 Zagitova, Panenkova (she'll probably will return to Eteri ) and Medvedeva (or Tuktamysheva depends on their form)

interesting logic, let me remind you the last season:
"overhyped girl" - bronze at GP, 210 season's best
Samodurova - last place in JGPF (which she qualified to mostly because of other's mistakes) and season's best... was it at least 190? i dont remember tbh

 

[Lana05]

interesting logic, let me remind you the last season:
"overhyped girl" - bronze at GP, 210 season's best
Samodurova - last place in JGPF (which she qualified to mostly because of other's mistakes) and season's best... was it at least 190? i dont remember tbh

She was competing in junior and got two gold medals. Polina's score when she was a junior was also 190+ Plus Tsurskaya is injured and I don't see her as Buianova's number 1girl because of that

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I wonder what Masha has been up to? She said she was going to do some more fun and fiery programs this year. Lots of folks have been counting her out or ignoring her altogether but it isn’t inconceivable to see her have a hot season like Liza and Lena did after becoming somewhat overshadowed of relegated to an after thought. Maybe we haven’t seen the best of her and she can still improve upon what we’ve seen out of her.

Heck maybe she’ll change her tano up so that I’m not the only one who appreciates it :dance:

 

[typeyournamehere]

if i would bet on someone to have an unexpectedly hot season(besides russians) that would be some japanese.. Sakamoto?

that's said i dont see any serious threats for russians this season, unless something changes dramatically.. let's say some injuries or smth

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

if i would bet on someone to have an unexpectedly hot season that would be japanese (besides russians).. Sakamoto?

that's said i dont see any other threats for russians this season

Wakababy and Rika Kihira could become real threats IMO but that should make GP more fun actually. Rika has 3a-3t and very nice programs and Wakababy is the real deal. She charmed Yulia into fan girling over her rather extensively last season and for very good reason. All the skaters seem to like them too. Rika was able to hold her own on the JGP and with just a few steps forward she can really put together nice performances.

I’m very curious about Dasha too. Can’t wait to see her new programs and if they work better for her than her old ones which were a bit :handw:

 

[bewitched]

I wonder if Eteri will go with Alena Kostornaia to Ostrava since Diana Davis and her partner have a spot at this JGP as well.

 

[Sugar Coated]

But why she was "tensed"? It's ordinary JGP event, her easiest competition this season. What will she do with pressure in JGPF? In Junior Nationals?

I also noticed her being tense. I suspect watching the other Alena K contributed to this. Last year she was the girl with nothing to lose but now she has a reputation and there are younger girls gunning for her. She still was able to deliver. I hope it doesn’t happen but I would not be surprised if one of Eteri’s 3A girls succumbs to pressure this season.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I also noticed her being tense. I suspect watching the other Alena K contributed to this. Last year she was the girl with nothing to lose but now she has a reputation and there are younger girls gunning for her. She still was able to deliver. I hope it doesn’t happen but I would not be surprised if one of Eteri’s 3A girls succumbs to pressure this season.

It’s tough to start off the JGP with expectations on your shoulders because one error is costly in that first event. It’s tough enough when you put expectations on yourself but when others start expecting things it can play tricks on your mind.

Honestly I think the FS has a few transitions and moments that create a little tension and uncertainty unlike last year’s programs which flowed a bit better. I think it was important to put out that first performance though. Not surprised her and Anna played it a little safe. Why do I think Sasha won’t play as nice

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

So this week it’ll be Trusova and Sinitsina? Unless something happens at this domestic Russian competition going on tomorrow?

Trusova and Sinitsyna for sure in Lithuania. Trusova, Kostornaia, Shcherbakova, Kanysheva, Tarusina, and Sinitsyna all did well enough in test skates and had strong enough previous results to receive their assignments without further assessment. The question marks are Tarakanova due to coaching change/inconsistency, Gubanova due to boot issues, and Vasilieva due to inconsistency, but none are scheduled until Canada.

I was thinking more about Tarakanova and based on what Plushenko said I do believe we will see her in Canada. Perhaps she withdrew from the domestic event because she was confident she had secured the assignment and wanted to focus on preparing.

I am looking forward to news on Gubanova this week. If she skates well surely she will receive an assignment. The question is will they replace Vasilieva with her in Ostrava or assign her to Ljubljana in addition to Vasilieva's assignment (perhaps replacing Vasilieva with a 2nd place finisher's second assignment).

 

[kalee]

Hoping that there will still be room to give strong 2nd place finishers (such as Kanysheva) a 2nd assignment.
Last year was unfortunate for Guliakova, but Samodurova's win was unexpected and Kostornaia was a late bloomer in the season and thus inserted late.
Thus by the end of JGP6, there were already 5 different winners and it would have been difficult to justify having Guliakova in a 2nd assignment at the expense of any of them.
If Shcherbakova and Kostornaia are able to win again in their 2nd assignments (and Trusova wins both of hers), that would result in only 3 unique winners as at JGP6. Under such circumstances where the strong 2nd's have a good chance to qualify for JGPF, it should make sense to send 1 or more of them to a 2nd JGP. I hope.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Wakababy and Rika Kihira could become real threats IMO but that should make GP more fun actually. Rika has 3a-3t and very nice programs and Wakababy is the real deal. She charmed Yulia into fan girling over her rather extensively last season and for very good reason. All the skaters seem to like them too. Rika was able to hold her own on the JGP and with just a few steps forward she can really put together nice performances.

I’m very curious about Dasha too. Can’t wait to see her new programs and if they work better for her than her old ones which were a bit :handw:

I'm really excited for Dasha. Skyfall could be a really great vehicle for her powerful, dramatic style, and she chose the song for the free so hopefully it'll have a really good program. I could definitely see her challenging for the third spot, especially if it's not Tsareva but Davydov or Buyanova she went to (if it was Tsareva or Shelepen, I don't know why she'd wait to confirm it until after test skates)

I'm hoping also that either Vasilieva or Gubanova gets spots, but not both, not because I hate them and don't want them to get spots, but because it'd be unfair to give spots to both when so many others deserve a second spot. I personally prefer Vasilieva but I think either have a good chance of it since they're both at CSKA now. If Gubanova does get JGPs, I'd imagine that she'd get either Vasilieva's or Tarakanova's spot so that she doesn't have to do back-to-back events like Kostornaya last year. The difference is that Kostornaya had no other option since she wasn't on the sub list, but Gubanova is, for all of them. Vasilieva doesn't really skate clean free programs, and she usually messes up at least once. Junior nationals was her best performance, where she was 6th, and even then, she did not skate cleanly. Personally, I'd love to see Shcherbakova and Tarakanova at JGP Canada, Kostornaya and Tarusina at JGP Czech Republic, Gubanova and Sinitsyna at JGP Slovenia, and Trusova and Kanysheva at JGP Armenia. That's an 8-6 layout and gives spots for Tarakanova and Gubanova to skate (and get a high score of the SB list) without having them take too many spots of others that deserve it more in my opinion. Although this isn't great for Vasilieva, I think both Tarakanova and Gubanova have stronger cases for spots than she does (Tarakanova being bronze medalist of JGPF (and just one place below her at junior nationals, in my opinion way too low) and Gubanova being fourth place finisher of both senior and junior Russian nationals).

 

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now its clear that Kanysheva is better in terms of pretty much everything... i feel sorry for Tarusina but now her second spot might be in doubt

Score wise I am not sure about that. Tarusina had an invalid spin which was an accident not to be repeated. It means that she delivered 191 performance same as Kanysheva. So it will be a tough choice between them. Sinitsina will have to compete with the leading Japanese Nana Araki. If she gets silver with the score above Kanysheva then she will get the advantage in the peking order.

I do believe that the key thing is to understand the strategy, 8/6 or 9/5. I am personally, of course, for the former as long as there are only 3 spots for JWC.

 

[typeyournamehere]

Score wise I am not sure about that. Tarusina had an invalid spin which was an accident not to be repeated. It means that she delivered 191 performance same as Kanysheva. So it will be a tough choice between them. Sinitsina will have to compete with the leading Japanese Nana Araki. If she gets silver with the score above Kanysheva then she will get the advantage in the peking order.

I do believe that the key thing is to understand the strategy, 8/6 or 9/5. I am personally, of course, for the former as long as there are only 3 spots for JWC.

its all "if's", but as of now Kanysheva is definitely in a better position than Tarusina, scorewise.. just by looking at the results... i would also expect score like 195 for Kanysheva in her second jgp if she gets it and clean

also, bringing this over here, because it doesn't actually belong to Alena's fan fest

Not hating, but not even her angelic skating could save that horrendous program for me. Omg, it was getting into Radionova levels of terrible. At least in terms of skating programs featuring Leonardo DiCaprio mumbling....hers is so far the best. Like what did they cut the music with, a hacksaw? What’s going on with Eteri’s girls’ FPs this season? Scherbakova too...

somehow it looks like Daniil is very good in making SP (last season pretty much all his SPs were very good, Zagitova/Tarakanova/Kostornaia/Trusova, literally every single one of them, with the exception of Panenkova may be, but that's a different case), but free programs are usually a bit worse, so far i dont like both Scherbakova's and Kostornaia's free programs, others are yet to be seen. Trusova's FS is almost a masterpiece, from what i've seen from the test skates video, but second half is weaker than the first one (or may be that seems to me just because first half is extremely good)

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I didn’t realize I was posting in Alena’s thread to so I’ll drag more discussion here although I am her fan I don’t think my reply would have belonged there :dev3:

.... last season she had two great programs. This season Daniil was not as inspired... The SP is great, although I think that's just because it is Kostornaya skating it. If it was anyone else that choreo wouldn't have looked as good, that's for sure.

Sometimes I think the choreographers get far too much credit for a program’s success but I guess that means the reverse should also be applied for skaters when things don’t go as well.....at least sometimes

Not that I’m blaming Alena ... but then again maybe I am just a little

I think she will perform this FS better at some point this season though and until then I won’t judge too harshly but there is already a devil inside of me that wants to yell Gubanova did it better I think compared to Gubanova, putting the technical discussion aside to focus on the actual program performance, that Alena is maybe lacking some passion in her performance that many associate with this music. Maybe it’s just me though and I should start to :scard7:

 

[rikaquegira]

I didn’t realize I was posting in Alena’s thread to so I’ll drag more discussion here although I am her fan I don’t think my reply would have belonged there :dev3:



Sometimes I think the choreographers get far too much credit for a program’s success but I guess that means the reverse should also be applied for skaters when things don’t go as well.....at least sometimes

Not that I’m blaming Alena ... but then again maybe I am just a little

I think she will perform this FS better at some point this season though and until though I don’t judge too much but there is already a devil inside of me that wants to yell Gubanova did it better I think compared to Gubanova, putting the technical discussion aside to focus on the actual program performance, that Alena is maybe lacking some passion in her performance that many associate with this music. Maybe it’s just me though and I should start to :scard7:

This, definitely.
That's why I said I think she didn't interpret the music, probably because she was too focused on getting a spot. The competition is tough and now she has the pressure of being adored and hyped. She seems to have a good head so I'm sure she'll get used to it. Then, I think she'll be able to express the story behind the music.

About the choreography, I don't know what's going on in Eteri's camp... First they give a beyond bad POTO short to Alina and now this awkward R&J...
But Alena's marvelous skating already saved the hell out of that choreo! If she puts emotion into it and really interprets the music then we'll probably forget how uninspiring the choreography is.