Article where Mark Lund making controversial comments on Weir, Lysacek
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While I definetely did not approve Lund´s words at all, I´m kind of thinking that Weir himself has brought all this onto him. I did not like those pictures of him in high heels, etc. and I have also thought for some time that he speaks way too much. He should shut up and skate, in my opinion.
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IT IS NOT A MATTER OF THE FACT SOMEONE IS GAY. That is Moot! It is that they ride the fence and act like a twerp to the very foundation that supports them. Neat that he only cares about himself, but totally worthless to why there is a federation that supports them. Save it for the pros Johnny and show some respect for the ones that help you have the ability to be there. And Lund tender your words, they are more important then you think.
Again thanks MM, if there is anyone that I always hear a well though and "obviously understood and read it all" response it is you. There are others too, but too few IMO and most just over exaggerate which doesn't do anything helpful. So again thanks.
If that is what "feminized" the sport so be it :agree:
But is this a contest of who can look the most....?
It is the over exaggeration of the "feminized role" the men are assuming that I believe just goes from sport to show WITHOUT BALANCE. It just gets silly. How many give Johnny crap here on these boards for his outfits. And we like the sport already. It is not helping IOW.
People judge by site. If it is truly about the athleticism, performance, then the outfit should not matter near enough to indicate no change necessary to the flamboyant costumes - leave it to the pros. And I still don't like the double standard. Ladies have to conform, then so should the men.
People just don't put that much thought into it. Appearance is everything and first impressions do matter whether they should or not.
To have one of the more Flamboyant of the male skaters do " a swan dance " one year and then the next he is doing The Passion - that some will obviously take as sacrilege..... Sorry, that guy does not care about anything but himself. Should that matter, NO! Does that matter, unfortunately it does. Heals, mascara and skating with Rudy one day and then skating a part of the story of Christ. He is coming off as a purposeful trouble maker just as Lund is responding to - not as best he could
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People who don't like it now wont ever in most cases, but the future is not filled only with those who are, but those yet to come. Lund might have his "basis" but I think he is more interested in FS as a whole then Johnny is.
And why no mention of the "publicity of the SLC scandal" being a good thing? Is publicity really "always a good thing?"
Again thanks MM, if there is anyone that I always hear a well though and "obviously understood and read it all" response it is you. There are others too, but too few IMO and most just over exaggerate which doesn't do anything helpful. So again thanks.I remember you talking about the book back when I first joined - when I came out
If that is what "feminized" the sport so be it :agree:
But is this a contest of who can look the most....?
It is the over exaggeration of the "feminized role" the men are assuming that I believe just goes from sport to show WITHOUT BALANCE. It just gets silly. How many give Johnny crap here on these boards for his outfits. And we like the sport already. It is not helping IOW.
Precisely.
I don't think it is the moves, I don't think it is the role, it is the individual "playing it up" like he is Elton John (but even Elton gave that crap up once he received the attention he realized it was more rewarding to be "loved" for the talent). And I mean the outfits. Not the activities, action, etc.. whatever.
People judge by site. If it is truly about the athleticism, performance, then the outfit should not matter near enough to indicate no change necessary to the flamboyant costumes - leave it to the pros. And I still don't like the double standard. Ladies have to conform, then so should the men.
People just don't put that much thought into it. Appearance is everything and first impressions do matter whether they should or not.
To have one of the more Flamboyant of the male skaters do " a swan dance " one year and then the next he is doing The Passion - that some will obviously take as sacrilege..... Sorry, that guy does not care about anything but himself. Should that matter, NO! Does that matter, unfortunately it does. Heals, mascara and skating with Rudy one day and then skating a part of the story of Christ. He is coming off as a purposeful trouble maker just as Lund is responding to - not as best he could
hwell: .People who don't like it now wont ever in most cases, but the future is not filled only with those who are, but those yet to come. Lund might have his "basis" but I think he is more interested in FS as a whole then Johnny is.
And why no mention of the "publicity of the SLC scandal" being a good thing? Is publicity really "always a good thing?"
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OK. what does it matter if someone is gay or not? It really gets to me when people go on and on about it. I'm not critizing the people here with this comment. I don't really care what a skater is in this matter. I love to watch no matter what. I actually do like to watch those that skate a little on the
effeminate side. They are beautiful. It just doesn't seem to me like it should matter to people what their sexuality is. I suppose that discrimination is kind of normal but that doesn't make it right.
effeminate side. They are beautiful. It just doesn't seem to me like it should matter to people what their sexuality is. I suppose that discrimination is kind of normal but that doesn't make it right.
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Its The Passion (what else is it about?) and Johnny made comment to that regard. Yes I will start looking - but my face is still hurting from a cheek to the boards and a knee to the ice and My head is pounding and I wont look 'til tomorrow. Sorry I am making excuses like Johnny and Evan supposedly. But have the bruise to prove
Anyway the second comment - "Mark and Nancy should..." - comes off to me with as much hate as you are indicating Lund has for JW??? I don't get it. Well.. I guess Hate begat hate???
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IMO, if a public figure is gay, they should be the one to say so to the media, IF they want to be known as such in the public media. I have a friend who trained with Evan and is privy to a lot of secrets in the skating world, and he told me these things in confidence. I respect the skaters too much to go blabbing about it on message boards. Basically, I take the stance of my favorite movie: It's nobody's business but theirs.
Simply put, Lund has no business outing anyone.
Simply put, Lund has no business outing anyone.
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You go, girl!
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is he offended or is he worried that the two of us that are uber-conservative Christian and are fans of the sport (ok there are more than two out there I'm sure but all I can find are me and my dad lol) will be offended (to be honest I'm not, the costume is offensive because it's just not very pleasing to my eye lol)
Let the man play Christ... it's not like gay actors haven't performed as a deity or other religious figure... if it can work for hollywood, let it work for skating.
In addition to Mark Lund...Nancy Kerrigan should also be held responsible for this as she chose to air the television show, unedited, that gave Lund the forum and time to speak. Ms. Kerrigan did zilch to disagree with Lund, and since the show was filmed weeks ago (her husband-former-agent who produced it) she had plenty of time to edit Lund's rant OR give Weir a chance to rebut the remarks.
Johnny was initially asked to be on the show, but he declined.
What would help prevent Lund and Kerrigan getting even more airtime (and their accreditation at USFS events, etc.) would be to WRITE and CALL the NETWORK that aired the broadcast (which can still be seen on YouTube) and any LOCAL AFFILIATES that air it in your market. Additionally, if we could find out the SPONSORS, it would be fantastic to let them know what you think of the show they were spending money to sponsor. This was not just some article - it was also a tv broadcast that is going to be run again AND is also part of a series for Kerrigan. Write and call the USFS. Of note, the USFS, who supplied the athlete bios and photos to the show, has chosen to remain mute on the subject and responded that basically they're not going to get in the way of free speech. I'm all for abiding by the Constitution and its amendments....but I would imagine that response also means that Kerrigan and Lund WILL be getting accreditation to future USFS events, which is very interesting considering they have BANNED previous legitimate media people from events for printing much more civilized remarks.
Remember - it was Kerrigan's show - her husband's company produced it -his name is Jerry Solomon. Mark Lund was the commentator making the degrading remarks and obsessing over Johnny's sexual orientation.
The good news is that the entire show was so much of "Amateur Hour" production that probably very people watched the broadcast....and even less will pay any attention to what was said. Also on the plus side, it has helped rally people behind Johnny and will hopefully cause the last few legitimate people in figure skating that have ties with Lund to cut them.
Johnny was initially asked to be on the show, but he declined.
What would help prevent Lund and Kerrigan getting even more airtime (and their accreditation at USFS events, etc.) would be to WRITE and CALL the NETWORK that aired the broadcast (which can still be seen on YouTube) and any LOCAL AFFILIATES that air it in your market. Additionally, if we could find out the SPONSORS, it would be fantastic to let them know what you think of the show they were spending money to sponsor. This was not just some article - it was also a tv broadcast that is going to be run again AND is also part of a series for Kerrigan. Write and call the USFS. Of note, the USFS, who supplied the athlete bios and photos to the show, has chosen to remain mute on the subject and responded that basically they're not going to get in the way of free speech. I'm all for abiding by the Constitution and its amendments....but I would imagine that response also means that Kerrigan and Lund WILL be getting accreditation to future USFS events, which is very interesting considering they have BANNED previous legitimate media people from events for printing much more civilized remarks.
Remember - it was Kerrigan's show - her husband's company produced it -his name is Jerry Solomon. Mark Lund was the commentator making the degrading remarks and obsessing over Johnny's sexual orientation.
The good news is that the entire show was so much of "Amateur Hour" production that probably very people watched the broadcast....and even less will pay any attention to what was said. Also on the plus side, it has helped rally people behind Johnny and will hopefully cause the last few legitimate people in figure skating that have ties with Lund to cut them.
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ITA, it should not even be an issue.
Personally that thought scares me. I would be concerned if "Hollywood rules" dictated a substantial amount of decision making in a sport that is only PART performance. Yet....In some ways I must agree, if "Hollywood" rule is in force then so can "Vegas" and Kat can wear that outfit and ect....!
:agree: But really, if I want a Hollywood show I'll look to a Hollywood production. If I want the most unique sport in the word that combines forms of athleticism within a performance, FS.Ban him? Is that the solution, control peoples opinions and freedom of speech? I think Johnny might even say, Lund has a right to think and say what ever he wants about him. Besides, I have got to believe Johnny loves the attention. It is obvious he will take a controversial idea and make it known to the world flagrant and intentionally - like skating for team USA and showing more support for Russia. The guy WANTS it, let him have it as long as it is at no one else's expense.
The most bothersome issues are the ones that SHOULDN'T matter, but they DO. Johnny and Lund are both aware of this and talking about them in particular diverts from the issue that makes this a big deal in the first place - that it shouldn't be an issue in the first place.
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I am undecided about this. Some people think that the scandals made people say, oh, figure skating is all fixed so I am not going to watch it any more.And why no mention of the "publicity of the SLC scandal" being a good thing? Is publicity really "always a good thing?"
I don't know about that. It was the biggest story of the games and it kept figure skating on the front page. I still believe that bad publicity often can sell the product better than no publicity at all. There are no judging scandals in curling, but does anyone care?
Back on topic, I think Mark Lund and Nancy Kerrigan (and Jerry Solomon) are personal friends. Lund often used his editorial page in International Figure Skating to laud Kerrigan and complain about her being robbed at the 1994 Olympics.
To tell the truth, I really don't think that Johnny, USFS or anyone else was harmed by this rant. Lund came off looking like a fool -- what else is new?
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By the way, there is a thread over on the Michelle Kwan Forum about this. They are on Lund's case not because of Johnny, but because he dissed Michelle by saying she's not all that great because she only won a silver and a bronze Olympic medal.
But then I think Nancy must have nudged him, like, hey, chump, what about me? Because at the end of the show he took it back and said, oh, I was wrong about that, Michelle's great.
But then I think Nancy must have nudged him, like, hey, chump, what about me? Because at the end of the show he took it back and said, oh, I was wrong about that, Michelle's great.
My feelings exactly. No, it wouldn't be okay if someone made implications about a Jewish skater, or Asian-American, or African-American. If Mark Lund had attacked one of these minority groups he'd be tarred and feathered. Yet it's okay to bash a (supposedly) gay or effeminate skater.
I appreciate those that have posted their opinion that Lund's comments were offensive. I am sad that other posters don't feel that they were. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. I guess I still have hope for a more tolerant world.
I'm signing out and won't return to this thread. It is upsetting..
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Since I didn't know there was such a show and have no idea if it will be an ongoing show, can anyone tell me, aside from the Lund/Weir controversy, what this show is all about?
Also if the show has possibilities, then why complain? Anything to bring up the sport from the depths it is in right now.
I, for one, believe biased judges, cheating judges, and collusions harmed skating much more than I would think Johnny would. The largest fandom of figure skating is women. What do they care if a kid is gay? It's not their kid and they happen to watch and enjoy figure skating.
Now, do you want this show to disappear? If not, don't complain. Why not have controversy included like the View is enjoying right now with a gay woman vs. a big realtor tycoon?
Joe
Also if the show has possibilities, then why complain? Anything to bring up the sport from the depths it is in right now.
I, for one, believe biased judges, cheating judges, and collusions harmed skating much more than I would think Johnny would. The largest fandom of figure skating is women. What do they care if a kid is gay? It's not their kid and they happen to watch and enjoy figure skating.
Now, do you want this show to disappear? If not, don't complain. Why not have controversy included like the View is enjoying right now with a gay woman vs. a big realtor tycoon?
Joe
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My comment on hollywood was only in so much as a person can act the part no matter what their sexual orientation. I don't want a bunch of Paris Hiltons on the ice...
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I find this to be a repeat of the Rosie-Clay-Kelly issue. She said that Kelly's comments [about Clay putting his hand over her mouth] were homophobic. Since Rosie is gay, she feels that she has the right to speak for other gay people. She didn't care that Clay has never officially outed himself.
I'll have to ask one of my friends for his and his partner's perspectives about this. Hard for me to relate since I'm not gay.
It would have been better if they had just said that Johnny's got to get himself together and prove himself as a World contender. From a competitive level, the USFSA is correct in promoting Evan since he has had much greater success a the World level.
BTW, according to Johnny's website he's 5'9". That does not seem correct, but I'll have to see what he looks like at Nationals relative to everyone else's height.
I'll have to ask one of my friends for his and his partner's perspectives about this. Hard for me to relate since I'm not gay.
It would have been better if they had just said that Johnny's got to get himself together and prove himself as a World contender. From a competitive level, the USFSA is correct in promoting Evan since he has had much greater success a the World level.
BTW, according to Johnny's website he's 5'9". That does not seem correct, but I'll have to see what he looks like at Nationals relative to everyone else's height.
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Well... why not?? There is already one, but his buddy's name is Pairs. 
I did rationalize that, in my mind as what you may have meant - your thoughts are usally good and I agree - but it provoked a thought to me the way it was worded (as if I didn't know you / your past thoughts, better). I do that with some of your comments and apologize for doing that Toni.
It is interesting that even though Lysacek is in the title, his name did not come up much?
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Ok well then here:
Evan is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute! I love watching him skate he's awesome.
there someone brought him up
Or that Clay has said he's not. It was just this year he became cryptic in his answers.
He's taller than I am and I'm almost 5' 8" ... he opened the door for me at nationals last year and I noticed he's taller than he appears lol.
Evan is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!
I love watching him skate he's awesome.there someone brought him up
Or that Clay has said he's not. It was just this year he became cryptic in his answers.
He's taller than I am and I'm almost 5' 8" ... he opened the door for me at nationals last year and I noticed he's taller than he appears lol.
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By the way, there is a thread over on the Michelle Kwan Forum about this. They are on Lund's case not because of Johnny, but because he dissed Michelle by saying she's not all that great because she only won a silver and a bronze Olympic medal.
But then I think Nancy must have nudged him, like, hey, chump, what about me? Because at the end of the show he took it back and said, oh, I was wrong about that, Michelle's great.
Again, I am only a fan of skating, so I am unaware of Mark Lund's previous credentials. Did he even win medals on the senior national level?
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