2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Klarnet]

Well, Zhenya does not *need* a gold.
Historically, 24 points is the cut for the ladies - in the last years, all ladies with 24 points or more made the GPF. Which means that bronze + silver = GPF.
I mean yeah there are sceneries where this not happens, but it seems very unlikely not to happen.

UPD: Last time a lady with 24 points was out of GPF was in 2013

It is highely likely happen this year though,that 24 with 1+4 might still be enough for GPF,but 2+3 might be not. I'm pretty sure Alina,Satoko and Kaori are already in the GPF with 26-30 points. Which leaves us with 3 spots left and 6 ladies contenders: Medvedeva,Tuktamysheva,Yamashita,Kihira,Mihara,Samodurova.

If Medvedeva ends up with silver making it 24 points with 2+3, and any 2 ladies out of these 6 make it to 26 points (say with 2 silvers) along with Tuktamysheva's at least 1+4, which beats 2+3, then she's easily out of GPF. That's why she does need to win.

2+3 in her case would be enough only if Tuktamysheva bombs lower than 4th and the rest of contenders have also 2+3 but with lower overall scores on second tiebreak.

I don't have high hopes for Bradie,but even she has a slight chance if she manages to win in France and get herself to GPF with 1+4.

I remember videos of Rika's practice with 3lz3lo,what if she might want to boost her TES even more putting those into programs,the scores would be high sky then,and no PCS would save nobody.

 

[moriel]

It is highely likely happen this year though,that 24 with 1+4 might still be enough for GPF,but 2+3 might be not. I'm pretty sure Alina,Satoko and Kaori are already in the GPF with 26-30 points. Which leaves us with 3 spots left and 6 ladies contenders: Medvedeva,Tuktamysheva,Yamashita,Kihira,Mihara,Samodurova.

If Medvedeva ends up with silver making it 24 points with 2+3, and any 2 ladies out of these 6 make it to 26 points (say with 2 silvers) along with Tuktamysheva's at least 1+4, which beats 2+3, then she's easily out of GPF. That's why she does need to win.

2+3 in her case would be enough only if Tuktamysheva bombs lower than 4th and the rest of contenders have also 2+3 but with lower overall scores on second tiebreak.

I don't have high hopes for Bradie,but even she has a slight chance if she manages to win in France and get herself to GPF with 1+4.

I remember videos of Rika's practice with 3lz3lo,what if she might want to boost her TES even more putting those into programs,the scores would be high sky then,and no PCS would save nobody.

Yep, of course winning gold is better, but silver is also not a lost case.
GP is wild and unpredictable. Someone may bomb, someone may get injured. You say Alina with 26-30 points, but she could have a worlds moment. Satoko may meet a tech pannel that doesnt like her jumps. Kihira may win over Med, but then on her next GP have 2-3 falls and 2-3 pops across two programs, she is not a model of consistency.

 

[moriel]

You know what I’m thinking? There are so many great skaters and so few GPF and Worlds spots! That’s kind of heartbreaking, considering there are only three medals. Wow!

Funny how Rika’s name keeps coming up in this thread! [emoji23] I don’t usually come here but lately I’ve been lurking, reading what you guys have to say about my fave. Just my input: we can’t say yet if she’s a strong contender for top lady, given her inconsistency and the fact this is her first senior season and her PCS won’t rise astronomically, I’m pretty sure. Ladies like Evgenia, Zagitova, Satoko will have the PCS advantage this season. Rika has the highest BV, even more so than Alina with her 3lz3lo combos, but Rika’s GOE is very low compared to Alina’s, even in non jump elements. So, let’s say that, surprisingly, Rika skates clean and gets a major PCS boost, she’ll still lose to a clean Alina with high GOE and PCS marks imo. Still, it would make for a much more interesting season if Rika becomes somewhat of a threat, you know, if she skates clean consistently and others don’t, than I don’t see how she could lose. But as always, Rika skating two clean programs is a huge IF.
But at IdF, as said by someone here, I don’t think Evgenia can win with mistakes, she will need to put up two clean programs and expect Rika to make mistakes. I believe she can do it! And after Skate Canada, she’ll be more experienced and focused. That was a tough event for her but it made her stronger for sure!

NHK will be incredibly exciting! So many great skaters! Liza will need to be careful there or she’ll be off the podium imo. But I have to say, from all the skaters, Liza is the one just exuding so much confidence that I never ever think she will make a mistake and even when she does I still believe she’ll get to the Final and rock there too! That’s why I’m not worried about her at all, to me it’s like, I’m already seeing her at the Final and even at Worlds! Am I crazy? [emoji23]

Well, people keep discussing Rika because russian ladies will face her.
Rika is specially critical for Zhenya, because Zhenya needs gold to have a sure GPF spot, and Rika may be an obstacle to that.
Rika, this season at least, will lose to a clean Alina. But Zhenya has no OGM status, and is not coming strong into the season. Also, she keeps getting those ! and now e calls, which don't help her at all - Rika, as she skated at her CS, could probably beat even a clean Zhenya.

 

[skatenewbie]

I‘m Zhenya fan as well, she‘s my favourite actually. But I try to be objective because it won‘t do any good if I get my expectations up to high only to then see them getting crushed. It happened at SCI when I expected an absolutely easy win after all her virtually perfect practices sessions. Now I‘m trying to see it as it is: Zhenya has chances to make it to the final due to her great comeback in the FS but she can‘t afford any mistakes. Her lutz edge is being called, judges have been very strict with URs so far and her spins are far from perfect. She has a lot to work on. Her choreography and interpretation are slowly coming together and she still has a month time. She‘ll surely improve but we have to remember that she‘s competing against girls who have much higher BV (Rika, Bradie) or are known for their consistency (Mai). There‘s also still someone like Masha who could realistically skate programs like last year. She‘s the least likely to push Zhenya away from the top of the podium because she‘s prone to URs and judges really hate on them this season. But who knows, there‘s always a possibility. So, to say “Zhenya simply needs to stay clean“ is a bit of a dangerous statement. It‘s not simple for Zhenya to stay completely clean as we‘ve seen at this GP. She‘s reworking her technique, puts 3 lutzes into her problems and has troubles with spins. She can realistically solve or at least improve on these problems in the month she‘s got but it still won‘t be easy. I think Brian and her know this, though.

I also really can‘t predict her scoring potential at the moment. Scoring at the GP so far is harsh and the judges at SCI are known to be strict in general. She scored only 137 with a remotely clean program, whereas in ACI she got 133 with a fall on an underrotated triple, a stepout and a level 1 spin. So it really depends on what the judges decide to do. She definitely can score higher than 140 but how much? We‘ll see.

we can see her scoring potential by looking at her TES before it dropped in Skate Canada which is 76. 06. by looking at that, we can assume she gonna get 71-73 PCS. which makes her total score 147-149. If she went clean in IdF she will get that much, if she clean again in GPF (assuming she qualified) and Euros it will break 150+ again for sure.

 

[moriel]

Question to our fellow americans.
You people have any clue why nbcsports keeps calling Zhenya Yevgenia, and not Evgenia, despite isu, wiki and the whole world?

 

[el henry]

Question to our fellow americans.
You people have any clue why nbcsports keeps calling Zhenya Yevgenia, and not Evgenia, despite isu, wiki and the whole world?

for the same reason I call her Zhenya, affection.

Nicknames are far more common in the US of A than formal names.

Did you think there was another reason?

 

[Mrs. P]

for the same reason I call her Zhenya, affection.

Nicknames are far more common in the US of A than formal names.

Did you think there was another reason?

I think the question was why she’s listed as Yegenia rather Evgenia. I always wondered that myself. NBC sports have odd quirks with names like calling people.from Korea and China by their surnames first but not doing that for.anyone else.

 

[vesperalvioletta]

I think Yevgenia might just be the transliteration that we have in the US to make the pronunciation a little clearer for English speakers? That's just my guess.

I believe last name, first name is the correct styling of Chinese and Korean names, so I think NBC is just following the naming conventions of the two cultures.

 

[ice coverage]

Question to our fellow americans.
You people have any clue why nbcsports keeps calling Zhenya Yevgenia, and not Evgenia, despite isu, wiki and the whole world?

I think the question was why she’s listed as Yegenia rather Evgenia. ...

In terms of pronunciation, Yevgenia is correct … which I think is the likely explanation for NBC's spelling as Yevgenia.

… I always wondered that myself. NBC sports have odd quirks with names like calling people.from Korea and China by their surnames first but not doing that for.anyone else.

But yes, it is a matter of curiosity to me that NBC's style is not to stick with ISU spellings. Also that the U.S.-based network does not use Western name order for (some?) Asian skaters.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Question to our fellow americans.
You people have any clue why nbcsports keeps calling Zhenya Yevgenia, and not Evgenia, despite isu, wiki and the whole world?

I'm an American with some knowledge of Russian. The correct pronunciation of Cyrillic E (first letter of Evgenia's name) in Russian is "Ye". It is not the same as English E, though it is often transliterated as this letter(Elizaveta, Evgenia, Elena). It is also sometimes transliterated true to pronunciation as "Ye", which is why occasionally you will see Yelizaveta, Yelena, Yevgenia etc. This can be confusing.

Here is a link to a Russian speaker pronouncing Evgenia. https://forvo.com/search/Evgenia/
You can clearly hear it is more like Yevgenia as pronounced in English with a Y. Therefore NBC has it right, which makes sense because Johnny is (I believe) fluent in Russian.

 

[j00mla]

Question to our fellow americans.
You people have any clue why nbcsports keeps calling Zhenya Yevgenia, and not Evgenia, despite isu, wiki and the whole world?

to pronounce "Evgenia" correctly you have to know how Russian "E" is pronounced, for "Yevgenia" - you don't have to

 

[moriel]

I'm an American with some knowledge of Russian. The correct pronunciation of Cyrillic E (first letter of Evgenia's name) in Russian is "Ye". It is not the same as English E, though it is often transliterated as this letter(Elizaveta, Evgenia, Elena). It is also sometimes transliterated true to pronunciation as "Ye", which is why occasionally you will see Yelizaveta, Yelena, Yevgenia etc. This can be confusing.

Here is a link to a Russian speaker pronouncing Evgenia. https://forvo.com/search/Evgenia/
You can clearly hear it is more like Yevgenia as pronounced in English with a Y. Therefore NBC has it right, which makes sense because Johnny is (I believe) fluent in Russian.

Oh, I know how it is pronounced in russian. My question is more about why they deviate from official spelling (since she is Evgenia pretty much everywhere else, my guess is that its how its written in her documents).
Because "its pronounced that way" could be a reason to, for example, write Carolina as Karolina, because first sound is "K".

Overall, the transliteration of one's name from cyrillic tends to be unique - it is the way it was written when you get a foreign passport first time. It is not changed based on every country's pronunciation.

 

[el henry]

I think the question was why she’s listed as Yegenia rather Evgenia. I always wondered that myself. NBC sports have odd quirks with names like calling people.from Korea and China by their surnames first but not doing that for.anyone else.

OK, then I misunderstood the question.

Transliteration of Russian names is certainly beyond my feeble skills, and I have no clue

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Oh, I know how it is pronounced in russian. My question is more about why they deviate from official spelling (since she is Evgenia pretty much everywhere else, my guess is that its how its written in her documents).
Because "its pronounced that way" could be a reason to, for example, write Carolina as Karolina, because first sound is "K".

Overall, the transliteration of one's name from cyrillic tends to be unique - it is the way it was written when you get a foreign passport first time. It is not changed based on every country's pronunciation.

Can you explain what you mean by deviate from official spelling? Are you asking about how the name is spelled or how it is pronounced by Americans? I have only seen Evgenia on NBC, never Yevgenia.

 

[moriel]

Can you explain what you mean by deviate from official spelling? Are you asking about how the name is spelled or how it is pronounced by Americans? I have only seen Evgenia on NBC, never Yevgenia.

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018...mysheva-shoma-uno-skate-canada-short-program/
"Yevgenia Medvedeva"

"Official": there are many ways to transliterate russian names. Hers, for example, can be Evgenia, Yevgenia, Yevzhenia or whatever weird like that. Usually, whan a russian gets their first passport to travel abroad, they get their name transliterated in some way (which depends on the rules that are valid at that moment). Kind of like in English, you could have Carolina and Karolina - while its essentially same thing, it is spelled different in documents, and usually you tend to stick to a specific spelling when writing about a person. The spelling remains constant - it is not changed depending on the country, because that is what is written in the documents such as passports.

Since Zhenya is Evgenia everywhere else - wiki, isu website, even her own twitter, my guess is that is how her name is spelled.


Also the pronunciation explanation makes no sense, because Elizaveta is also pronounced Yelizaveta, but they spell it as Elizaveta. If they wanted to make it more readable, would make sense to change both names.
It is very enigmatic.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018...mysheva-shoma-uno-skate-canada-short-program/
"Yevgenia Medvedeva"

"Official": there are many ways to transliterate russian names. Hers, for example, can be Evgenia, Yevgenia, Yevzhenia or whatever weird like that. Usually, whan a russian gets their first passport to travel abroad, they get their name transliterated in some way (which depends on the rules that are valid at that moment). Kind of like in English, you could have Carolina and Karolina - while its essentially same thing, it is spelled different in documents, and usually you tend to stick to a specific spelling when writing about a person. The spelling remains constant - it is not changed depending on the country, because that is what is written in the documents such as passports.

Since Zhenya is Evgenia everywhere else - wiki, isu website, even her own twitter, my guess is that is how her name is spelled.


Also the pronunciation explanation makes no sense, because Elizaveta is also pronounced Yelizaveta, but they spell it as Elizaveta. If they wanted to make it more readable, would make sense to change both names.
It is very enigmatic.

Yes I don't think any of us can attest to why NBC chooses to use that particular transliteration, especially as they don't do the same with Elizaveta. It does seem very random. Looking in to this more I do see NBC using Yevgenia on more than one occasion. If I had to guess, I would say that since Zhenya has been so successful over the past few years and is so well known throughout the world NBC is trying to be diligent in ensuring that their American audience would understand the correct pronunciation of her name. Since Elizaveta Tuktamysheva is not so well known right now they did not do the same for her, instead simply choosing the transliteration that seemed more obvious. They may not even be aware that E in Elizaveta is the same letter in Russian and also deserves a Y. Perhaps if Liza wins more they will hear her name more frequently and realize this, then start to use Yelizaveta for the same reason.

 

[moriel]

Yes I don't think any of us can attest to why NBC chooses to use that particular transliteration, especially as they don't do the same with Elizaveta. It does seem very random. Looking in to this more I do see NBC using Yevgenia on more than one occasion. If I had to guess, I would say that since Zhenya has been so successful over the past few years and is so well known throughout the world NBC is trying to be diligent in ensuring that their American audience would understand the correct pronunciation of her name. Since Elizaveta Tuktamysheva is not so well known right now they did not do the same for her, instead simply choosing the transliteration that seemed more obvious. They may not even be aware that E in Elizaveta is the same letter in Russian and also deserves a Y. Perhaps if Liza wins more they will hear her name more frequently and realize this, then start to use Yelizaveta for the same reason.

But then... I mean, she is Evgenia everywhere else... So it makes it harder to google and everything else
mystery =(
I'm somewhat tempted to write them and ask to see what happens, maybe they will tell.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

But then... I mean, she is Evgenia everywhere else... So it makes it harder to google and everything else
mystery =(
I'm somewhat tempted to write them and ask to see what happens, maybe they will tell.

Yes she is Evgenia everywhere else, but I think perhaps the people at NBC have realized that this spelling would not be pronounced properly in English. The English speaker would say "Ev" and not "Yev" because there is no Y. So they are going for proper pronunciation. It isn't like they are misspelling her name to achieve the true pronunciation either as Yevgenia is not an incorrect transliteration.

I don't disagree with you that for the most part the media should be using the spellings the athletes use themselves. But I can also see their point of view if they feel that they are doing this out of respect for her. It can be off-putting for her to come to the US and everyone mispronounces her name so they are trying to educate their audience to prevent this.

The issue with Google is that you don't know what spelling to use since NBC is choosing to use Yevgenia when no one else does? I can see how this is frustrating. Maybe using her last name alone would pull up most articles.

There is contact information for the article's author if you would like to write him. I'm sure he could give some insight.

 

[plushyfan]

Question to our fellow americans.
You people have any clue why nbcsports keeps calling Zhenya Yevgenia, and not Evgenia, despite isu, wiki and the whole world?

The NBC is very consistent. I also noticed in their almost every article, news Plushenko was Yevgeny in his whole career. Philip Hersh also used this version all the time.

https://www.google.hu/search?q=Yevg...KHS4fCjsQ9QEwD3oECAUQBA#imgrc=_fjO-bQ-M9S16M:

 

[LiamForeman]

Question to our fellow americans.
You people have any clue why nbcsports keeps calling Zhenya Yevgenia, and not Evgenia, despite isu, wiki and the whole world?

Hmm, maybe you weren't even born yet, but in 1988, Yekaterina Gordeeva was the star of Calgary. Why would you ask such a (well, dumb) question?