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Johnny's Reaction in the K&C
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1. Paris is his friend; not boyfriend.
2. Johnny's mom HATES the camera on her so she always hides.
2. Johnny's mom HATES the camera on her so she always hides.
Yeah, he knew what he was doing, did it on purpose and it wasn't cool.
When I say that Johnny's personality turns me off I'm called closed-minded and a bigot. So your post rings very true 
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that's what it looked like to me
as for the grimmace, I think he just felt uncomfy with the whole situation... I wouldn't have known how to react either.
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I don't think this is his swan song. He cambe back from a totally disasterous 2003 nationals to become a three-time national champion. In the long run, this will only make him stronger.
However, I don't really feel sorry for him. No, I don't like seeing skaters crash and burn, and I don't like seeing them so distraught and crying their eyes out, but he needed a bite of humble pie. That little comment that ESPN played over and over of him saying "I don't need to so anything extra to beat Evan, I've done it three years in a row." That was just plain arrogant and maybe he just thought it would be a cake walk? I don't know, maybe he was just trying to get psyched up but it really rubbed me the wrong way and it made me want Evan to win.
However, I don't really feel sorry for him. No, I don't like seeing skaters crash and burn, and I don't like seeing them so distraught and crying their eyes out, but he needed a bite of humble pie. That little comment that ESPN played over and over of him saying "I don't need to so anything extra to beat Evan, I've done it three years in a row." That was just plain arrogant and maybe he just thought it would be a cake walk? I don't know, maybe he was just trying to get psyched up but it really rubbed me the wrong way and it made me want Evan to win.
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I don't think it was arrogant at all
it was honest and true... all Johnny had to do was skate, all Evan had to do was skate
they are like apples and oranges, all Johnny had to do was stay on his feet, skate with the passion he normally does and then leave it up to the judges... he didn't do that, Evan did...
his comment was an athlete's answer. I don't agree with what he says 9 times out of 10, but I agreed with him in every fluff piece he had in Spokane.
it was honest and true... all Johnny had to do was skate, all Evan had to do was skate
they are like apples and oranges, all Johnny had to do was stay on his feet, skate with the passion he normally does and then leave it up to the judges... he didn't do that, Evan did...
his comment was an athlete's answer. I don't agree with what he says 9 times out of 10, but I agreed with him in every fluff piece he had in Spokane.
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My heart sank when I saw Evan did that while waiting for Johnny's score and Johnny was crying. I'd like to think that Evan was sitting in the back and wasn't aware of Johnny's crying. Otherwise, it would be too mean spirited.
Johnny had to find some way to get his emotions out. If cry would make him feel better, then be it. After crying, he regained his composure. He is really not that fragile as we see. I think he is strong and he can find a way to turn his thought into a positive way of thinking quickly enough.
I actually liked his LP performance last night. He didn't give up after the fall, that was an improvement. The straight line footwork was fabulous.
He didn't focus on his training, only started to train hard after the GPF, and cry after the loss. All these indicated that Johnny is not mature. He needs to grow up and realize that talent alone is not enough to take him to where he wants.
I love Johnny's skating regardless whether he is a gay or not. (I would not follow him to the fashion world though)
Johnny had won the Nationals three times in a roll. It's a huge accomplishment.
Cheer up! It's not the end of the world. There is always next year.
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Why would Evan feel uncomfortable. What situation made him feel uncomfortable, being on camera? Unlikely. The "grimmace" is used to disasscociate yourself from an action, a statement or a behavior. It is a judgemental action used to solicit other negative reactions.
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could it be that he didn't know how to 'react' to the situation as far as Johnny skated poorly and is now crying in the K&C and ABC/ESPN is showing it on the jumbotron?
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ITA. It could be that he was feeling bad for Johnny, hence the grimace. I mean, I've seen them at other events and they seem friendly towards one another. If a friend of mine were crying, and they were showing on the jumbotron, I'd be doing more than grimace!
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I am amazed at how many people seem to know exactly what Evan was thinking. Maybe he grimaced because he felt bad for Johnny for having a bad skate. Maybe he was just making a face into the camera. Heck maybe his dinner didn't agree with him. The man won his first national title.................should he not have been able to smile, make goofy faces?
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exactly, and even if they're not close friends or anything I think there is a healthy respect for each other...
either way you look at it Evan couldn't have won with some people. Had he been stoned faced people would call him heartless. He maybe tries to be sympathetic (I'll be the optimist and say that's what it was) and he still gets slammed...
guess it comes with the territory of the one to 'take the title away'
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Nah, remember, Evan is EVIL. (Where's that eye-rolling smilie-- there it is!
) He wouldn't just have automatically tried to smile when he realized the camera was on him because that's what you do even when you're not comfortable, he was obviously enjoying Johnny's pain. Because 'masculine' skaters are evil that way. Seriously--Johnny lost. He wasn't robbed, Evan outskated him.
And BravesSkateFan and BridgetJ are right--I don't particularly care Johnny is gay. I care that he bores me as a skater. If I wanted to watch a ballerina (and note I did not say danseur) I'd go to the ballet. How is it unacceptable to find Johnny boring, when Evan gets plenty of vitriol for the same alleged offense and that's okay?
Perhaps so, laughing at Johnny crying,would not be my first reaction, smirking for the camera would not be my second reaction, and then a grimmace indicating that the situation (or person) is weird would not be my third. Maybe its just the way I was raised.
I do, however, find it very difficult to believe that a senior level, elite skater has never witnessed the self distructive behavior of another skater in the kiss and cry.
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the fact that evan smiled into the camera...well its not meanspirited. he just came off the ice from the best performance he had ever put on the ice! tara lipinski who claimed to be very close to nicole bobek was smiling like the cheshire cat at the 1997 worlds after HER performance...and after seeing Nicole's breakdown (and her coach had just died!).
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doesn't make it any less of a weird situation. much less an uncomfortable one...
but as I said, Evan would not have been able to win in the eyes of many no matter what he did on or off camera...
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I agree with you on his lyrical style of last year - I miss it too. Last season I was totally mesmerized by his performances and this season I was really disappointed with the new 'masculine' persona (at least that's what the commentators would have us believe he is aiming for). I totally prefer Johnny's skating over Evans but it's the skating style of previous seasons I prefer not what he's skating this season. I don't think we've seen his swan song - he'll be around until the next Olympics I would think but he does need to get his head on straight - he should have been 2nd not 3rd - I like Ryan - he's entertaining - but he lacks a lot of polish and entertainment value alone should not inflate scores the way it did. Ryan deserved 3rd imho. I hope Johnny outskates them both at Worlds.
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I personally don't care one way or the other if Johnny is gay or not - from his actions my first instinct is to guess he is but so what - what I miss about Johnny was the style he skated in previous seasons - flowing and lyrical and (to me at least) that was NOT perceived as less masculine then the tired, skated to too many times, music Evan skates to. Someone commented earlier about Johnny bringing something new to the ice, I agree totally - Johnny stepped on the ice last season and I saw poetry in motion - something fresh, a skater who really felt the music and had all the moves - and wasn't afraid to skate what he felt regardless of what anyone might perceive because of it - Evan, otoh, gets on the ice (again just mho) and what I see is a retread of programs past - music that's been used, re-used and sometimes abused - not to mention we get to see Evan's 3 day old beard growth - oops, that's real masculine so I guess that's why huh? Or is it part of his 'costume' - In any case it's obvious I prefer Johnny over Evan any day of the week and I couldn't care less if Johnny has a boyfriend or if Evan has Tanith Belbin as his girlfriend (shades of Michael Weiss there).
Yes, that is exactly what I saw too. And he also made a victory sign, didn´t he? Evan had every right to show a happy and smiling face towards the camera.
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Oh, for the love of Pete, people! They *always* show the current leader after each consecutive skater, and primarily they are smiling and waving at the camera. It was no different this time.
I think too many people are assigning their own personal feelings and insecurities to famous people they don't even know!
Also, if you are so concerned about Johnny Weir's sexuality that it causes you to believe that it is the reason for his every action and the sole reason that anyone might make a negative comment about him, please save us all the time and e-mail the guy yourself and ask him if he's gay. What's that you say? That's rude and inappropriate? Yes, it is, and so is speculating about it on a figure skating web forum.
I suggest that further discussion of Johnny Weir's sex life be moved to private message. If you want to talk about his skating-- please-- comment all day!
I apologize for the snippy tone, but this discussion has gotten very old, and it's none of our business.
I think too many people are assigning their own personal feelings and insecurities to famous people they don't even know!
Also, if you are so concerned about Johnny Weir's sexuality that it causes you to believe that it is the reason for his every action and the sole reason that anyone might make a negative comment about him, please save us all the time and e-mail the guy yourself and ask him if he's gay. What's that you say? That's rude and inappropriate? Yes, it is, and so is speculating about it on a figure skating web forum.
I suggest that further discussion of Johnny Weir's sex life be moved to private message. If you want to talk about his skating-- please-- comment all day!
I apologize for the snippy tone, but this discussion has gotten very old, and it's none of our business.
