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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

Bcash said:
This has been discussed ad nauseam. My thought on this still is: none of the music they used in the past four years are of the same style, and their choreo certainly responded to the music well, so what same style "again"? Baryshnikov will always move like Baryshnikov weather he dances Petipa, Balanchine or Twyla Tharp. He's not going to move like Beyonce. I don't remember there being such a complaint about Meryl and Charlie even though they always skated to dramatic operatic music and adhered to one style of movement.



I agree with this. I kinda wish they did more with the editing. Right now it's just a rather simple segue.



Lol I can't take him seriously, but after hearing this, I did find that G's legs no longer seem as long as I thought they looked. But this only confirms your last point, which is that how you use your body and project a line matters more than anything else. If Bukin or Kastalapov has longer legs, I'm not seeing it.
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This concept seems hard to grasp for many people though even for ballet fans. Last time, I was reading comments on a Natalia Osipiva rehearsal videos. "Not elegant enough", "her movements are rushed", "she can only do one style". They just do seem capable to appreciate her for what she brings to ballet, including her mesmerizing Giselle or her exhuberant Kitri. I honestly wonder WHO, today, in any discipline is a real cameleon, capable of being ANYONE, change their body language, their facial expressions, they way they react naturally to music and fool everyone around. I certainly have NONE at the top of my head at the moment and I don't know if I'll find one. We are who we are and trying to change that is almost impossible. Chassez le naturel et il revient au galop.
And trying to hard is only going to look uneasy and weird.
They already have the SD to show "versatility" and it's also made possible because the COP gives specific rules, patters and requirements, just like in ballroom dancing.
But in the free, you are completely free. There is nothing you can count on to "do the work" for you. Some skaters need a back story from a movie, a ballet or opera. Some don't. Some just don't even want to do it because it's not them.
Bcash said:
I certainly think the exceptional combination of pliancy and strength is what distinguishes them from all others, and that combination is both a physical gift and something that their coaches over the years wisely encouraged and amplified.
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Definitely. Coaches saw the potential and worked on it wisely. But it's incredibly unfair to Guillaume when commentators imply that "he's just a natural". Like, he doesn't deserve to get there.
 
Speaking of legs and body proportions :

First there is such a thing as too long legs proportionately. Stepanova is an example to that. There is an unbalance in her body and her posture. There is also an unbalance within the team between her and Bukin in the leg department.

Second as far as body type is concerned Bukin has about the same type as Cizeron, their respective legs proportion to their torso is very similar.

Third it is not the body per se which counts but the way you use it and the lines you have while dancing/skating. Katsalapov has long legs and is well matched with Sinitsina but his lines are not as good as Cizeron's.
 
peepsquick said:
I like Guillaume's outfit ... why am I the only one????:scratch2:
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I too like it a lot and I love Gabi's dresses both for the RD and FD. The FD dress reminds me of Kaitleen Weaver's last season SD one which I liked a lot. As matter of fact I usually like all Kaitleen's and Gabriella's dresses.
 
I think I am officially obsessed with their FD's ending and specifically that choreo step sequence. It is amazeballs as some says. I have never seen them move like that in a program. My god do their bodies move perfectly to the music. Guillaume is mesmerizing in that section and I don't think I have ever seen him be so involved and emoting so much. Anger fits him well. Can't stop watching it and I indeed believe it is where we can fully see the impact of Lambiel. If that is the case, thank you very much Mr. Lambiel to have smartly added to their movements repertoire while understanding their style.
 
First there is such a thing as too long legs proportionately. Stepanova is an example to that. There is an unbalance in her body and her posture. There is also an unbalance within the team between her and Bukin in the leg department.
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I was really curious and looked it up.
You are right. She has very very long legs and sometimes, it does look strange, if you focus on that.
 
CBC coverage

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64ldOcvSB_o

I love most of the FD. A bit perplex about the entrance lift which is complex but sort of stops the flow of the dance. I find the step sequence between the spin and the rotational lift a bit long and boring and on this part, the music sounds the same. But I love everything else, the mood, the feeling of freedom in gesture toward the end, the delicate arm movement on the third part of the twizzles sequence, the large circle at the end of their first step sequence, the speed on any rotational movement ( spin and lifts), the curve lift, well everything. And I love the simplicity of the message, no pretention to send a message to the universe, just a simple love story dance on a modest love story song. No more but no less.
 
I love the first lift, and I find it super smooth. What pleases me seriously about it is that they move fast into the position, where then Gaby stays almost motionless for a moment, move into the other position fast, and then, again, a moment of stillness: it gives me the feeling of a nature movie in which the movement of something is followed and all of a sudden slowed down to give the details. Maybe I'm the only one seeing it that way, but it has a special appeal to me.

The choreo steps are very very fun, I like them and I suspect that Guillaume choreographed them. Gaby does them perfectly timed, but if I may, she is doing them next to a super dancer, while she is more of an actress, and therefore she is more acting the thing. With Guillaume next to her, her tiny bit less sharpness or completely finishing the movements into the final extremity is accentuated only by his presence and perfection.

The absolute unbelievable highlight for me is the curved lift, they can do that forever as far as I'm concerned. :-D

I've already grown to deeply love this program.
 
Bcash said:
I’m curious what people think the Lambiel influences are in this FD.
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For me, it's the opening sequence going into the first lift, some arm touches in the twizzle sequence, the choreo step sequence and a generally expanded/altered movement vocabulary, plus some small touches like the way they come out of the choreo sliding movement that make it into a storytelling moment.
 
The make it look as if gravity and slippery ice are choices instead of constraints and laws of nature.
 
It may have been already said but I can't remember now... who was the one who discovered Rachel's music? G&G or someone else?
And if Gabi and Guillaume decide one day to sell their competition clothes or clothes inspired by their dances, I wouldn't protest, esp. with the last year and this year's FD dresses... :laugh:
 
IsabelleG said:
It may have been already said but I can't remember now... who was the one who discovered Rachel's music? G&G or someone else?
And if Gabi and Guillaume decide one day to sell their competition clothes or clothes inspired by their dances, I wouldn't protest, esp. with the last year and this year's FD dresses... :laugh:
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The cursed SD Rumba Vegas Hoola set is MINE!! MINE!!! MIIIIIINNE MY MY MY PRECIOUS!!!! :furious::devil::ddevil:
 
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