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2018-19 U.S. Ladies' figure skating

Really? You’d rather be an Oksana, Tara, Sarah, Adelina etc than be a Kostner for example?

It depends on your priorities I guess but if you want to make skating your actual career & not just something you want to do as a kid and retire by 19, you can’t have it without longevity & consistency.

Ironically, Tenley Albright, Carol Heiss, Janet Lynn, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, Linda Frattiane, Roslyn Sumner, Debi Thomas, and Kristi Yamaguchi all retired from competitive skating around the age of 19 (give or take a year).

And all of them did this right after their Olympic medal season. (Obviously not all gold medals)

Same competitive career path as the OGM's you listed.
 
Strike out Sotnikova from the list and my answer is yes.

I don't view competitive skating as a viable long term career, and given we are talking about competition only, then the OGM is the pinnacle of the competitive skating, no matter how people may want to downplay its importance bc their faves didn't earn one. History remembers OGMs and I rather not be remembered as a skater who had the long career and everything BUT the OGM.

I don’t know, I read a poll once that said more Americans thought Michelle Kwan had won the Olympic gold and not Tara 😂😂
 
Wow, the judges really like Ting! I'm not mad about it because I like her as well but I'm shocked that she's getting such generous scores because skaters I like typically don't. Her jumps are really nice and she seems to be naturally musical, though a bit sloppy (which should improve with time). Hopefully she keeps working hard to stabilize her jumps and get more comfortable with her programs! It'd be interesting to see what USFS would do if Ting outscored Mariah at nationals.

I think the judges definitely like her a lot. But do keep in mind that Tallinn often has rather generous judging compared to events like the GP. I don't know if the ladies scores were inflated this time, since I only watched parts - and not super closely- but the ice dance definitely was running high for scores.
 
Strike out Sotnikova from the list and my answer is yes.

I don't view competitive skating as a viable long term career, and given we are talking about competition only, then the OGM is the pinnacle of the competitive skating, no matter how people may want to downplay its importance bc their faves didn't earn one. History remembers OGMs and I rather not be remembered as a skater who had the long career and everything BUT the OGM.

I find this interesting because I feel exactly the opposite way. I like the skaters with longer careers and many memorable programs the best. Artistry takes time to develop. And while it is disappointing to not get an OGM, or any Olympic medal, it is not the end of the world, if you have performed solidly for a while and have been at least in contention for one.
I loved Caro's skating last season, I thought it was really profound. Or Mao's when she briefly returned after Sochi. It felt like they still skate because they have something to say, something unique with a voice all of their own (how sappy :D) even if they faced stiff competition for that podium.
 
I don’t know, I read a poll once that said more Americans thought Michelle Kwan had won the Olympic gold and not Tara 😂😂

And they still do!

That's why I get a laugh when Tara commentates and Terry always remind viewers of her skating because they hardly, if ever do, with Johnny. It's like they know nobody really remembers her and they got to remind us why she's there and has the credentials to commentate. Even Oksana, who was just as much a flash in the pan, and not even American, is more widely known in the US then Tara is.
 
Don't be. You missed a giant outcry about her getting SC when other US skaters didn't get one spot and then the massive outcry over her bombing SA. She had a mini comeback at SC and the ire over her has reduced. She's now being ignored like all US skaters that fail to live up to people's expectations.


People just don't understand how GP substitutions work. The host federation INVITES skaters to compete at its event. Starr was INVITED to Skate Canada to replace a skater who had withdrawn. What was USFS supposed to do, decline the invitation? The invitation would have gone elsewhere, and not necessarily to another US skater.
 
Well, skating isn't always a lifelong career, and certainly elite skating is not. Kostner and Kwan are extreme examples (especially Kostner) of longevity. You never know how long your career is going to be but if you get that Olympic and/or World title, you'll probably not regret having a longer career once you achieved the highest accolades. Of course, different skaters have different goals.

Hmm yea, that’s fair. I’ve just grown up in an era where there is more examples of Ladies staying in the sport longer so to me, if I was a skater, a career like Kwan, Kostner, Asada, Wagner would be more appealing than being many of the OGM of the past just because I think their longevity has done more for their legacy than many others Olympic Gold has done for them. It’s the pinnacle and you can cash in pretty well so I definitely see the importance in it but it’s also fair to say that many past winners are not really remembered in the long term. Most of the ones that are tended to have contributed to skating in others way past competing but if you leave the sport totally and didn’t have a long competitive career, I don’t think winning the Gold does much for your legacy (probably helped their bank account tho lol).

People forget too quickly, ladies skating can seem like fast food sometimes because girls are chewed up and spit out so easily that it makes you stand out more if you have the longevity to be a constant presence amongst a sea of changing faces imo.
 
Anyway, back to talking about US ladies who are actually still relevant, Ting Cui wow! Good for her.
 
I think the judges definitely like her a lot. But do keep in mind that Tallinn often has rather generous judging compared to events like the GP. I don't know if the ladies scores were inflated this time, since I only watched parts - and not super closely- but the ice dance definitely was running high for scores.
Maybe that's true but i believe on the JGP Ting had the highest SP score by a US lady Junior or Senior all season and i doubt the judges were inflating scores on the JGP. Judges like what they see from Ting when she skates well and now judges at a Senior event have rewarded her too.
 
People just don't understand how GP substitutions work. The host federation INVITES skaters to compete at its event. Starr was INVITED to Skate Canada to replace a skater who had withdrawn. What was USFS supposed to do, decline the invitation? The invitation would have gone elsewhere, and not necessarily to another US skater.

I explained that over and over to no avail. People took that WAY to seriously. Just like after Gracie having a bad skate they declared that she stole someone else’s spot. :palmf:
 
Strike out Sotnikova from the list and my answer is yes.

I don't view competitive skating as a viable long term career, and given we are talking about competition only, then the OGM is the pinnacle of the competitive skating, no matter how people may want to downplay its importance bc their faves didn't earn one. History remembers OGMs and I rather not be remembered as a skater who had the long career and everything BUT the OGM.

It depends on whether your primary goal is results, or whether it develops to be more. Tara is the perfect example of one who wanted the result: she aimed for the OGM, got it, and was out. "History," as you say, or the official record, may remember Tara better than it remembers Janet Lynn. But many, if not most people who love skating disagree. I remember reading that Tara didn't even know who Janet Lynn was, because she didn't win OGM.

To compete at the top level, yes, they have to want to win, to have the heart of a competitor (although I think some are competing against themselves as much as against their competitors.) But I think the lucky ones are those who find and develop passion and motivation for other aspects. Peggy Fleming was a tomboy who wanted to skate because she could be graceful. And, eventually, she made her sport an art.


Ironically, Tenley Albright, Carol Heiss, Janet Lynn, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, Linda Frattiane, Roslyn Sumner, Debi Thomas, and Kristi Yamaguchi all retired from competitive skating around the age of 19 (give or take a year).

And all of them did this right after their Olympic medal season. (Obviously not all gold medals)

Same competitive career path as the OGM's you listed.

A completely, and I mean *completely* different kettle of fish. Those skaters you listed skated in the "amateur" era. Which meant that if they earned ONE dollar from skating, they weren't eligible to compete. So in America, the parents had to foot the bill and it couldn't go on forever. It's significant that Michelle was the first one who had such a long career; the "Pro-Am" era came in 1998. In 1994, skaters who had already gone professional had to be given a special pass, you could reinstate as an amateur and compete. After that, the rules were changed, and Olympic-eligible skaters could make money.

Kristi Yamaguchi was 21 when she won the Olympics in 1992. But she and her coach were actually aiming for her to win the 1994 Olympics, when Kristi would be 23. They thought 1992 was going to be won by Midori Ito or Tanya Harding, because their 3Axels gave them the technical edge.


I find this interesting because I feel exactly the opposite way. I like the skaters with longer careers and many memorable programs the best. Artistry takes time to develop. And while it is disappointing to not get an OGM, or any Olympic medal, it is not the end of the world, if you have performed solidly for a while and have been at least in contention for one.
I loved Caro's skating last season, I thought it was really profound. Or Mao's when she briefly returned after Sochi. It felt like they still skate because they have something to say, something unique with a voice all of their own (how sappy :D) even if they faced stiff competition for that podium.

:clap:

Living the music, interpreting the music, performance values, giving to the audience, entertaining from the heart, artistry, being a conduit of emotion for the audience through movement, athleticism, acting, or just loving beauty, expressing joy. Giving happiness. Or, as Carolina Kostner said, simply skating for herself. There may be as many motivations, or combinations of motivations, for skating besides winning or placing as there are skaters.
 
I just read that Ashley's net worth is 4 Million.

If I may ask, where did you read it? I wouldn't have guessed nearly that high, but if it's true, I'm glad. Ashley's earned her own way in many ways: financially independent from her parents at age 18; never was "gifted" anything by US fed. She had to earn everything she ever got.

But my "grain of salt" skepticism kicks in a little too. That could be a fiction created by ... whomever.
 
Really? You’d rather be an Oksana, Tara, Sarah, Adelina etc than be a Kostner for example?

It depends on your priorities I guess but if you want to make skating your actual career & not just something you want to do as a kid and retire by 19, you can’t have it without longevity & consistency.

I would too. And so would every athlete of my country. We have a 3 time OG silver medalist. He has longevity, but no OG gold and constantly being mocked for it.
I might add the main reason he went for 3 Olympics was for that OG gold. If he had won it the 1st try, would have retired.
 
I would too. And so would every athlete of my country. We have a 3 time OG silver medalist. He has longevity, but no OG gold and constantly being mocked for it.
I might add the main reason he went for 3 Olympics was for that OG gold. If he had won it the 1st try, would have retired.

Is this in figure skating? Because otherwise that’s a whole another discussion.

I mean Kurt Browning never even medaled in the Olympics and he’s a freaking icon not just in skating but in Canada in general. Not having the OGM did not hinder his legacy at all.
 
I think the judges definitely like her a lot. But do keep in mind that Tallinn often has rather generous judging compared to events like the GP. I don't know if the ladies scores were inflated this time, since I only watched parts - and not super closely- but the ice dance definitely was running high for scores.

I'd say the scores were rather inflated. It isn't usual to see 40% of the ladies in an non-championship international event getting scores over 100.
 
I explained that over and over to no avail. People took that WAY to seriously. Just like after Gracie having a bad skate they declared that she stole someone else’s spot. :palmf:

Gracie DID steal a spot! There is a large difference between simply having a “bad skate” and being completely unprepared to compete at anything resembling a GP level. I applaud her decision to seek a spot under the “comeback” rule, but am appalled that she didn’t WD in time for a sub to replace her. She absolutely had to have known that she wasn’t close to ready.
 
Gracie DID steal a spot! There is a large difference between simply having a “bad skate” and being completely unprepared to compete at anything resembling a GP level. I applaud her decision to seek a spot under the “comeback” rule, but am appalled that she didn’t WD in time for a sub to replace her. She absolutely had to have known that she wasn’t close to ready.

I am one of Gracie's biggest fans but, I agree with this comment. I would have been perfectly fine with Gracie saying....."I'm not quite ready to come back at this time and I'd like to wish my replacement the best of luck." You don't suddenly NOT have your jumps unless you're injured. I understand the comeback rule but, it should be used wisely. I almost feel like a skater using this rule should be evaluated before getting a GP that a more deserving skater should have gotten. As a US skater, I wouldn't mind her being given a spot at Nationals but internationally, is where I have a problem.


I still love Gracie and I absolutely loved her 2016 skating all the way back to when she was a Junior. Unfortunately, she is not the same skater.
 
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