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somtimes i feel for rena..s he is almost always PERFECT on the jumps... and if hse had a more consistant partner, she might have a world medal by now.
Inoue and Baldwin-what can we expect?
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Rena is a more solid skater. Who will deny that? Anyway, I still think it might help if John would move over to the other side of Rena which I think would be his best angle to complete a sbs jump.
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good idea. you should be thier coach.
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But it is all about the points and strategy. I/B have trouble with certain elements so IMO they added an element like the throw 3A, an element that Rena can land somewhat consistently to make up for the points that they are lacking and getting zinged for in their dismal attempts at the SBS jumps. I find nothing wrong with that.
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Neither do I i think its a very good strategy, allbeit fairly risky in the SP, but good for them. The thing i was contesting was that iloveaxel seemed to be annointing them based on one element alone (the throw 3A) and excusing everything else that is not up to scratch with their skating.
Personally for me, the synchronisation o f their SBS spins is one of the best in the world. The throw 3A when landed is impressive. That for me is where the postivies end. I'm not wowed by their footwork. I don't think they move in that completely "pair" way of two skating as one as much as other skaters. Musically and artistically i don't think they stretch themselves at all and i rarely feel much emotion from their skating. I feel they are usually placed about right internationally.
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I agree Ant about the contents in their program. They have some very impressive moves. The only really weak moves are the sbs jumps.
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I agree about I/B not being up to par as some of the other pair skaters, but I can't help myself there is something about them that I like. They do not leave me cold like the Chinese pairs P/T and Z/Z who are IMO ranked above them for their technical skills only. I must say that in the artistic area P/T have improved this season. JMO
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I agree that Pang and Tong leave me cold. Technically they can jump and do the throws and split twists, but their spins are technically inferior to most of the top half of the draw at worlds and their lifts are not particularly good either. they have made improvments in their presentation and artistry but not quite enough, i would say that they don't have it in them to get much better but in reality they are a lot like Shen&Zhoa when they first started out, and if they hang in for as long as Shen and Zhao then they might make the same improvements. For now i thing maybe Yoa Bin is insisting that they can do it all with just their technical ability and isn't promoting the PCS side as much.
The Zhangs are different though IMO. I think the Zhangs have more solid technical ability. They are about equal in the jumps, throws and twists, but i think their lifts are better and although not great their spins are slightly better (sometimes even in unison!) than P&T but most importantly they have shown in exhibitions that they really do have emotion and personlity and can display it in their skating. They need to work on getting the performance side of them that they have in exhibitions and bringing them to their competitive programs too.
To contrast this Inoue & Baldwin are more consistently average in presentation, lifts, throws, footwork. Above average in spins and not very good at the jumps. There is less scope for truly outstandin perofrmances from them, but equally there's less scope for turly disastrous programs. I would put them consistently in the penultimate group to skate at international championships, with a chance to medal if they skate lights out and at least two or three other teams make (a) big error(s).
Ant
What planet are you living on? You believe Z&Z have more artistry (or potential artistry) than Pang & Tong.
Pang & Tong got their first 6 in artistry at 2004 worlds when Pang's posture was still quite sloppy. They are light years ahead of Z&Z in artistry department. You should watch their exhibition program this year, even the British commentators hailed it as 'Masterful'. I believe they always have great exhibiton numbers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqyp4wRO-AU
Pang & Tong's SP this year is also definitley one step in the right direction, Morozov did a great job for them. To my knowledge, immediately after competing at worldchampionships, Pang & Tong will train with Morozov and likely get a new long program from him. I believe they'll also join some COI tours. Actually, based on their progress in the past two to three years, I have every confidence they will do just great in artistry department in the future. The biggest concern is their technical ability, Pang's sbs 3toe is always quite shaky. BTW, Pang & Tong's spins are not as bad as you described, and their lifts are also quite impressive.
Zhang & Zhang's long program is a crap. Their technical ability is superb although their conditoning this year is nowhere near their peak year. However, Zhang & Zhang still have not made any tangible progress in their artistry over the years. I think it's a stretch to expect them to replicate shen & zhao's successful conversion. Shen & Zhao might look sloppy in their early career, but they did have that intangible things that could be worked out in the following years. In Zhang & zhang, I just do not see that potential. However, lack of artistry alone won't prelude them from winning in the future if they can churn out stuff such as 2A+3T, throw quad sal etc.
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the only time Z/Z ever "wowed" we was at the 2006 olympics when she deliverd that great program after falling like that. Pang and Tong are over rated to me... i really like thier exebition skating... they seem to open up and connect woth each other, but in competion they seem slow and she always looks tired. Inoue and Baldwin do have very nice side by side spins, but thier pair spin needs help... but then who's dosen't? ALl the pair spins seem slow this year.
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What planet are you living on?! 2004 worlds was the last competition where 6.0 was used and the judges were throwing out 6.0s like...well like they would never be used again. As insulting as you normally are to people you don't agree with i won't even bother reading the rest of your no doubt pointless vitriol.
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That is sadly sooooo true. The number of pairs who are the reverse spin to open, then have a messy check to stop the rotation and step back into the spin to go into the normal rotation spin...there's only one pair i've seen do it well (it may have been the Germans) but it really is ugly. I miss the days of the beautiful pairs camel spins.
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Count me in on hating the convoluted Pair spins. Anyone for wrestling?
Pair camels, pair sits, change feet - beatiful moves. Can be judged on rotations, posture, speed, etc.
Joe
Pair camels, pair sits, change feet - beatiful moves. Can be judged on rotations, posture, speed, etc.
Joe
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That is so true - it really does look silly and inevitably ends with the lady bringing her blade up to her head in some form or other....yawn.Wouldn't that be great - prescribe a pairs combination spin - you have to do 8 revs of a pair camel spin before you're allowed to start wrestling!!!!
Ant
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