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2009 Worlds to be moved from L.A.??

not even that, I don't think they have a plan at all.

:rofl: :agree:

If there is one, it seems Speedy has it, get as much money in his pocket and to hell with making sacrifice for a sport that he's supposedly is "Supposed to" be interested in maintaining integrity and popularity. Well we know where he hasn't succeeded.:cool:
 
I'm not exactly sure what actions USFS could take that would be "standing up to Speedy." If the complaint is that the money has dried up, then maybe U.S. clout in the ISU is on its way out, too.

As I understand Cinquata's position, it is that we can't have a world championship at a venue where we cannot guarantee television coverage. That doesn't sound so outrageous to me.

I really think that figure skating in the U.S. needs a new plan. We seem to be clinging desperately to the old plan -- but that world is slipping away.

As I understand it, especially from what I've read on other threads, venues where television coverage can be guaranteed do not exist anywhere in the world -- many countries have even less coverage than the US. Furthermore, no one pays the money that US TV has been paying. The USFS can provide the necessary coverage as long as there is a TV station who bought the rights (from the ISU) to show it -- that happened at 4CCs. Does anyone know if this is true?

I'm getting a little worried about the media stoking hostility between Johnny and Evan -- I can't help thinking someone is going to get whacked and someone else framed for it.
 
Rivalries are pushed in the media all the time Jamie and David vs Elena and Anton

Michelle Kwan and Tara/Sarah/Sasha/Irina/half a dozen other names

Tonya vs Nancy was an isolated incident... I think Johnny and Evan's rivalry (be it imagined by the media or real) will NOT end up with someone whacking the other... they seem to have a better circle of support.
 
As I understand it, especially from what I've read on other threads, venues where television coverage can be guaranteed do not exist anywhere in the world -- many countries have even less coverage than the US. Furthermore, no one pays the money that US TV has been paying. The USFS can provide the necessary coverage as long as there is a TV station who bought the rights (from the ISU) to show it -- that happened at 4CCs. Does anyone know if this is true?

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Coverage or feed? Irregardless of what kind of coverage is provided in the US, it's my understanding that a feed is provided by the host country for any broadcaster in the world that desires to broadcast the championships (and pays for it of course). Eurosport, various national broadcasters, and anyone else who broadcasts an FS event all use the same feed (they may dress it up with commentators and journalists on the spot but the on-ice coverage is the same picture everywhere).
If USFSA can't guarantee a live feed for the whole competition then I'm afraid I'm on Speedy's side (I feel so dirty writing that).

How similar/different is this to the Australia situation a few years ago?
 
The U.S. has already guaranteed there will be the required signal throughout the competition if the ISU does not line up a broadcaster in the U.S. This is not a hard thing to do. The feed at 4C, for example, was produced by an independent productions company.

OC's threat is about whether any broadcaster will sign a contract to show the competition in the U.S. Somehow he thinks threatening to move the competition will get a broadcaster to buy the U.S. rights.
 
The U.S. has already guaranteed there will be the required signal throughout the competition if the ISU does not line up a broadcaster in the U.S. This is not a hard thing to do. The feed at 4C, for example, was produced by an independent productions company.

OC's threat is about whether any broadcaster will sign a contract to show the competition in the U.S. Somehow he thinks threatening to move the competition will get a broadcaster to buy the U.S. rights.

In other words, I no longer have to agree with Speedy (whew! what a relief!).

And isn't that just like him to use dull threats instead of tact or negotiation or creative problem solving...
 
I was under the impression that one of the reasons that the US TV contract is so screwed up to begin with is because $peedy himself told ABC that if they wanted figure skating, they had to take a bunch of speed skating events as well, and ABC wouldn't bite (speed skating not being an especially popular event in this country, even less so than figure skating at the moment), so he in part can be blamed for the current situation. Just another example of his "all or nothing my way or the highway despite the fact that I'm a total idiot" mentality.

I was just thinking the other day -- it would be absolutely MARVELOUS, in the long run, if he did something to totally screw up speed skating the way he has figure skating. Then the SPEED skating members of the ISU would turn on him and then he'd be outa there and maybe most of this would stop.

I don't even want to imagine what kind of inept and shady dealing is probably going to have to go on between the ISU and USFS to keep the Worlds in LA. USFS as far as I am concerned is only marginally better than the ISU in the integrity and business smarts departments, IMHO.
 
And yet again there is an example given that makes me wonder what would have happened if Dr. Rogge had followed through on his instincts after the SLC mess and booted skating out of the Olympics until it had it's house in order.

I know...I know...*The* glamour event of the Games, never will happen, but just imagine if it had. The ISU had the perfect chance to actually right the sinking ship and...Sigh!!

When on earth are we finally going to have separate govering bodies for Speed Skating and Figure Skating? As long as the two are together...

Sigh...I really shouldn't be doing this when I haven't been to bed since that nap I took between the end of the OD's and woke up halfway through the second flight of Mens LP's at Worlds this morning. I hope that made sense up there.
 
When on earth are we finally going to have separate govering bodies for Speed Skating and Figure Skating? As long as the two are together...

The answer to your question is:
When they boot $peedy completely, isn't he the one that combined them to start with.
 
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.skating22mar22,0,6552420.story?coll=bal-spo

"At this very moment we are indeed concerned, as it is not clear whether there will be adequate TV coverage in the United States," said Ottavio Cinquanta, noting that the Los Angeles deal was provisional. "I am furious because we are confronted with a situation where we don't know about the future of the sport in North America."

Is that not a reap what you sow speedy?

"With both countries, we are encountering difficulties for TV," Cinquanta said. "No television in the United States and Canada for figure skating? This is something I do not want to think about."
And it would appear you haven't been until the final hour.

CEOs that don't have "game plans" are normally ousted. For the fact that this is so close to the wire before he is addressing it...? Now how many jobs are on the line? He should have already had other opportunities in the works as "options" and even if they were not as good. Now other networks know FS is "desperate" and that will effect the offer. What is this guy anyway? He needs to talk to Pat Martin, Steve Jobs or Billy Gates.

When I first joined here there was talk about speedy, I know why, why doesn't he?

How about giving Kurt a go!
 
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This statement was issued by US figure Skating re: 2009 Worlds


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT: Lindsay DeWall

INTERNATIONAL SKATING UNION REAFFIRMS ITS SELECTION OF LOS ANGELES,
CALIF., AS SITE OF 2009 WORLD FIGURE SKATING CHAMPIONSHIPS

TOKYO, Japan (March 24, 2007) – The International Skating Union (ISU)
reaffirmed to U.S. Figure Skating that it has no intention of moving
the 2009 World Figure Skating Championships from Los Angeles, Calif.
U.S. Figure Skating President Ron Hershberger and Executive Director
David Raith met with ISU President Ottavio Cinquanta, who reassured
U.S. Figure Skating that the ISU looks forward to the event being
held in Los Angeles.

"The allotment of the championships to be held in Los Angeles
demonstrates the acknowledgement by the ISU of the great contribution
by the U.S. skaters and movement to the development of the sport of
figure skating," the ISU said in a statement.

David Raith, executive director of U.S. Figure Skating, made the
following comment:

"U.S. Figure Skating looks forward to working with the ISU to put on
an excellent, well-run World Championships in Los Angeles in 2009.
Athletes, coaches, officials and fans will be welcomed by the city of
Los Angeles and the organizers in this important pre-Olympic year
competition. "

The 2009 World Championships will be hosted by U.S. Figure Skating in
partnership with AEG and will take place March 23-29, 2009, at
STAPLES Center in Los Angeles. The state of California last hosted
the World Championships in 1992 in Oakland. U.S. Figure Skating last
hosted the World Championships in 2003 in Washington D.C., with more
than 105,000 fans attending the week-long event.

In pre-Olympic years, such as 2009 preceding the 2010 Olympic Winter
Games, the World Championships serve as a qualifier for the number of
spots each country receives for competitors at the following
Olympics. In 2009, all competition and some official practices will
take place at STAPLES Center. The adjacent Los Angeles Convention
Center will host official practices as well as other pre-event
functions. Ticket package information will be released at a later
date.

– U.S. Figure Skating –
 
Skating on U.S. TV: Becoming harder and harder to find. The sport is far from dead - but Network Television’s presentation of skating is expiring!

Phil Hersh may have overstated any woes that U.S. Figure Skating might currently be experiencing in his latest editorial column (U.S. woes cloud skating picture). He is on the mark however when it comes to describing the troubles that the ISU and U.S. Figure Skating will experience in getting their competitions exposure on the big three over-the-air networks.

Is the possibility of no skating being presented by the big three (CBS - NBC - ABC (and ABC's Cable outlets ESPN and ESPN2) in the upcoming new competitive seasons of 2007 and 2008, real and probable? Chances are very high the answer is yes! Why? The answer of course has several components.

Like most anything popular on Network TV, first there is a catalyst to spark fan interest. In this case it was the knee "whack heard round the skating world" perpetrated against Nancy Kerrigan. That controversy set the sport of figure skating ablaze in the U.S. and coincided with the burst into stardom of Michelle Kwan, who shortly thereafter began winning, and winning and winning for the U.S. This fueled the spark into an explosion of all things skating on the networks. Pro Skating exploded as well, offering many non-ISU competitions, along with skating tours Stars on Ice, and Champions on Ice. Over the next decade there were hundreds of skating events and money flowed like tap water.

During this same period the internet was just beginning to bud and grow. So did Cable TV and with this growth, more and more niche channels came into existence offering viewers many specialized choices. This continued and has today helped to fragment the television market once dominated by the big three networks. Fewer and fewer viewers are watching the established networks, regardless of the fare offered. The biggest result of this has been on the advertising revenue share of the television pie. These shares are getting smaller and smaller.

Way too many skating specials (from promoters copying one another's efforts) and big bucks paid to the ISU and U.S. Figure Skating for telecast rights for their competitive events made big money for the networks, promoters, advertisers and skating entities alike. But the skating ship began sinking following the 2002 Winter Olympics.

Crooked judging was the pin that burst the balloon. The new computerized scoring system (with its good and bad elements) that the average viewer seems unable or unwilling to understand and accept began the viewer desertion. The networks meanwhile have never treated figure skating as a sport, presenting competitions as a show instead, with lots of fluffy features on everything but what is taking place on the ice. Network suits have never viewed figure skating as a legitimate sport and never will. Men in sequined costumes, pairs in outlandish outfits seemed to them about as far from a serious sport as one could get. No wonder we got the product we have seen! Only in the past year has ESPN made a concerted effort to present skating competitions seriously, with some semblance of an effort to explain the sport and the new scoring.

One hopes it was not too little, too late; but fact is - Networks will never again pay skating promoters, the ISU or U.S. Figure Skating double digit millions of dollars for long term telecast rights. With this backdrop of knowledge then, what the hell was intelligent about the threat that recently came from the mouth of ISU's president Ottavio Cinquanta. In essance what he attempted was a threat to punish America's skating governing body with the removal of the already scheduled 2009 World Championships from Los Angeles if a U.S. Television network does not sign a new rights deal.

Then yesterday came the announcement from U.S. Figure Skating, following a meeting between Cinquanta and USFS president Ron Hershberger and executive director David Raith that seemingly reaffirmed the selection of Los Angeles. Read the following and then try to tell me how the statement addresses the threat and resolves the situation without any lingering doubts?

"The allotment of the championships to be held in Los Angeles demonstrates the acknowledgment by the ISU of the great contribution by the U.S. skaters and movement to the development of the sport of figure skating," the ISU said.

What in that statement has any clarity to the issue raised by Cinquanta? It is total crap, a deliberate disguise of his threat that reasons (wrongly) it will bring ESPN or any other network running to him with pen in hand. What a fool! His continued ISU leadership is an even bigger problem for the sport of figure skating.

Here's a real fact Mr. Cinquanta. The era of big TV revenue profits for the ISU and other skating entities is DEAD! The USFS recognizes this, to the great credit of President Hershberger and Mr. Raith and they have begun the move to present their product on the internet via the Ice Network.com. It's time for the ISU to follow suit!
 
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