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Nathan Chen

I guess I’m surprised and not surprised about Lori. A bit conflicted. Thought his original interpretation was so mature and well conceived that it’s hard to believe he didn’t actually understand or agree with the vision and intention that Lori had for that program. But then not so surprised because he quickly lost it later on. Makes me a bit sad though because I really did think it had both the depth and imagination to be a masterpiece.

I'm coming out of hibernation to say I also feel conflicted. MLD has moments of staggering beauty and other moments where it felt like Lori tried to fit a square peg into a round hole. It felt to me (again I don't *know* the people involved, this is just my 'read') like Lori had this perfect music cut just so waiting in mothballs for years, and this perfect choreography in mind for this music, and she's been waiting for the right skater to bring her vision to life. Who could be more perfect than Nathan, with his ballet training, wonderful movements and immigrant parents? She hit the jackpot.

Remember how we read that Nathan first hesitated because it was... 'too political'? He's telling the truth, it is political-- my friend knows many in the Chinese community who reviled Nathan and his family for the MLD program. But I also know that when I don't want something, I come up with reasons later for why it's entirely rational that I shouldn't do it, even though what happened was I had a gut instinct, non-rational reaction to the fit, a sense that it's not right for me.

It's a tribute to Nathan's immense gifts as a skater and dancer that he could bring so much of Lori's vision to fruition and make his Mom and many others cry with the beauty of MLD, considering that it never entirely fit him. Lori's vision was gorgeous, but IMHO there were moments that should have been adjusted for the way Nathan moves in that moment, when he's not doing ballet several times a week. I've never been able to entirely love even the most perfect renditions of MLD--not even that jump-less run-through from CoR. Not even the more 'pure' version he debuted at Salt Lake Challenger event. He dedicated the Olympic season to his family--family coaching council (Raf's term) loved it, and Nathan put his own reservations aside like a good son.

I have watched LoA far more often than MLD, because those moments that are jarringly wrong for Nathan bother me as much as the worst moments of his camel spin. Even though the best moments of MLD >>>>>> LoA, the lows are just off-putting at times.

I won't dig out the exact moments I found jarring, because once my skating friend has pointed out something unaesthetic, not only can I not un-see it, I also spot 20 more instances of it in places I'd never noticed it before. I'm not going to claim more advanced knowledge of dance than shine and justvaliant and oatmella and the other experts here, I'm just saying, in a way it all makes sense, because he really gave it all for his family that season and did his best with this program that didn't entirely fit him.

If he's now in charge and doing it his way (cue Frank Sinatra)-- though it sounds like this summer family coaching council will re-convene to discuss Nathan's skating goals, from the soundbites preceding Worlds... then I'll try to limit how often I complain about what he chooses to wear, how a tailor in New Haven could have kept his sleeve from sliding down during Caravan at Worlds, if Vera couldn't be bothered to shorten the sleeves, his camel position... It's his life and I'm along for (some of) the ride. He didn't owe any of us even one more season of skating after Olympics. And he's *so* talented and his way of moving is so unique and appealing that he's made me like 'Next to me' against my will. Making me like a tango, though... I hope he spoke to Shae about jazz (sorry, just valiant XD)

Thanks to sheetz for finding that 'little wings' article and to all of you for your news and discussions. I'm mostly out of commission but I do appreciate the education when I find time to catch up a bit.
 
That wasn't the runthru because he just did it now. From comments it sounds like he was clean. The 4F was probably a 4T.
 
The person said he attempted a couple of 4Fs in addition to the 4T. So it may be that he will do 4F instead of 4S in the FS.
 
I know most here have moved on to WTT, but I just wanted to ramble a bit more about Caravan costume and Marie-France & Sam.

I think his posture truly did improve along with his skating skills and that contributed to the penguin looking so much better than the drunk office worker in stiff white shirt and vest. The lack of bunching, the stretch of the fabric also helped, of course. I just feel his hard work to improve how easily he glides, the diminished pumping and hunching and strain deserved to be acknowledged as well.

It looks to me like his work with Marie-France's team improved his skating skills, and you can't blame the slightly off timing LoA end on the choreographers--not when there is all this jump combo backloading in the 2nd half. It's already impressive that he could fit 4t-3t and 3z-3t so well to the music! Perhaps Nathan made a pledge to his choreographers not to remove / alter certain sequences/ elements of the choreography without their permission, and after all the combos, there just isn't time to make it all sync? He still made a good portion of it sync. Maybe it could have been perfected if Raf didn't veto his plan to visit Montreal pre-Worlds?

As long as his skating skills visibly improve each season, I'm fine with Marie-France and Sam ever after. I would also be happy if he chose to work with and learn from choreographers he hadn't worked with before. There will be gains for future self-choreographed galas. ;) ;)
 
Hi everyone, long time lurker here :) This has been a really fun season to follow Nathan! All of his accomplishments, all of his improvements, even coming out of his shell a bit and showing more of his personality-- it's really been a delight to see. I feel honored to be able to follow his career, and see him start to build what I think will end up being an incredible legacy. I've never posted here before but I almost have many times. First, after Nationals, there are no words really. It really feels as if he's truly finding himself as a person, as a skater, as an artist, and to see all of those things fully come alive was incredible. Everything was so on point! Then after Worlds, the same thing! There's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said, but I'm really happy to be following him on this journey and it's an honor to watch and I thought I ought to share those feeling, because I'm sure everyone here feels the same way :) Thanks to everyone here who constantly updates and thanks to those who provide fun & interesting discussions, too.
 
Men's practice report
https://www.facebook.com/aussieskates/posts/10155962861820925?__tn__=-R
Last to skate, Nathan Chen (USA), hit a nice triple axel followed by a solid quadruple toe loop. His jump combination was a triple lutz / triple toe loop. Following these elements, he worked mostly on the choreographic sequence.

Chen is a different skater since the last time we saw him in person at the 2017 World Championships in Helsinki. He is becoming quite the showman.
 
Sounds like Nathan is in pretty good form. Wishing him good luck in the SP:hap10::hap10:

It appears that Raf isn’t with him .... doesn’t he not really like to travel? Also he just moved to the new rink, he was in Japan only a few weeks ago - not super surprising if he didn’t want to travel again.

I think Nathan’s mom said to someone that the MLD program was probably too mature for him. Political issues aside, seems that the program wasn’t the right fit for him for where he was at that point in his life.

As for the shirts - they bother me a lot less than for most. Guess he doesn’t really care about the bunching up or the fit - think he’s been wearing that navy shirt for years! The white shirt he wore for the gala/shows looks like the one he wore for BFTE last year.

He’s been sick for at least half this season:(

He looks so nice in the practice photos:luv17::luv17:
 
Besides Raf, I haven't heard of either Tom or Tammy being there, either. All I hear is that Vincent is with Hamada.
 
I wonder if he's wearing the white shirt and black pants and not the penguin today. He's wearing the pants already in practice.
 
It looks like he won’t be wearing Emperor Penguin Vera today, he’s wearing these black pants:
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2019/04/11/gazo/20190411s00079000192000p.html

The pants don’t look very comfortable ... his quad(ha) muscles are larger proportionally to the rest of him - resulting in all that bunching of fabric.

Wonder if his contract with Vera allows him to wear her costumes/uniforms only for Nationals, Worlds, and the Olympics.
 
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