Ladies - Short Program

[iloveaxel]

What happened to Joannie and Mira? Why so low down in the standings? I'm shocked for both of them!

Mira's 2A was downgraded, and she could not get the PCS necessary to rank higher either.

The real shocker is Joannie. She's almost been forgotten by folks on every skating forum. She landed some shaky jumps, but both the score and placement are just horrible. 49 points! 16th place! Her pcs averaged at low 6s, and some even dipped below 6s. Considering even Emily & Granny scored high 6s in PCS, Joannie was simply ignored by the judges. It's sort of sad situation. Why do judges hate Joannie? Why??

 

[flying camel]

Mira's 2A was downgraded, and she could not get the PCS necessary to rank higher either.

The real shocker is Joannie. She's almost been forgotten by folks on every skating forum. She landed some shaky jumps, but both the score and placement are just horrible. 49 points! 16th place! Her pcs averaged at low 6s, and some even dipped below 6s. Considering even Emily & Granny scored high 6s in PCS, Joannie was simply ignored by the judges. It's sort of sad situation. Why do judges hate Joannie? Why??

Didn't Joannie fall? I thougth I saw a 1.0 deduction for her short.

 

[nymkfan51]

Here's the draw! Good position for Kimmie.

I actually like Carolina's spot better ... she can just skate her program with no worries about what the person ahead of her has done, and without the distraction of a huge audience reaction to a great program skated right before her.

If Mao blows the roof off the place, it will be very difficult for Kimmie, I think.
I was wondering this morning what Kimmie must be thinking. Here she is the current world champion ... and even after skating the best SP of her young career, she's in 4th place. (not far from 5th and a skater who made a major mistake) I wonder if she will go for the 3A. The handwriting is sort of on the wall ... that with technical content being even, the judges place her at the bottom of that elite group.

 

[iloveaxel]

Didn't Joannie fall? I thougth I saw a 1.0 deduction for her short.

It's a fall on her footstep, not on jumps, so a simple deduction.

Under normal situation and if she's still considered by judges as a top contender, her score should be far higher. The Georgian girl fell on a jump, but still scored 53 or sth.

Joannie is officially in league with Mira Leung. How sad.

 

[_Ladybug_]

I'm watching ladies SP in Eurosport.

Yu-Na Kim... OH MY GOODNESS! WOW. WOW. JUST WOW.

*speechless*

 

[iloveaxel]

I actually like Carolina's spot better ... she can just skate her program with no worries about what the person ahead of her has done, and without the distraction of a huge audience reaction to a great program skated right before her.

If Mao blows the roof off the place, it will be very difficult for Kimmie, I think.
I was wondering this morning what Kimmie must be thinking. Here she is the current world champion ... and even after skating the best SP of her young career, she's in 4th place. (not far from 5th and a skater who made a major mistake) I wonder if she will go for the 3A. The handwriting is sort of on the wall ... that with technical content being even, the judges place her at the bottom of that elite group.

I still predict Mao will win, Kim second and Carolina third.

 

[bekalc]

I actually like Carolina's spot better ... she can just skate her program with no worries about what the person ahead of her has done, and without the distraction of a huge audience reaction to a great program skated right before her.

If Mao blows the roof off the place, it will be very difficult for Kimmie, I think.
I was wondering this morning what Kimmie must be thinking. Here she is the current world champion ... and even after skating the best SP of her young career, she's in 4th place. (not far from 5th and a skater who made a major mistake) I wonder if she will go for the 3A. The handwriting is sort of on the wall ... that with technical content being even, the judges place her at the bottom of that elite group.

Well, it kind of makes sense to me. that Meissner would be at the bottom of the elites because I think Kimmie's kind of blah.. Good solid skater, but blah..If you watched Yu-na's short versus Kimmie, I think people would have a hard time believing Kimmie's the world champ, and Yu-na's the junior champ.

 

[rain]

It's a fall on her footstep, not on jumps, so a simple deduction.

Under normal situation and if she's still considered by judges as a top contender, her score should be far higher. The Georgian girl fell on a jump, but still scored 53 or sth.

Not entirely true. Not only did Rochette have to deal with the automatic fall deduction, but the straight line steps are a required element and she only made it about halfway through them before the error and therefore would have gotten totally killed on the element itself, if she received any points at all. So actually it may have been a more costly mistake than had she fallen, but rotated a jump. Also, from Rosaleen's reports, while she did land all of her jumps, a couple of them were not rock solid, which would have meant negative GOE on those elements as well. Not as simple as just counting the falls.

 

[flying camel]

I still predict Mao will win, Kim second and Carolina third.

We will have to see. The pressure to land that 3 axel will be enormous.
I still have faith in airplane arms.

1. Kimmie
2. Yu - Na
3. Mao

 

[nymkfan51]

Well, it kind of makes sense to me. that Meissner would be at the bottom of the elites because I think Kimmie's kind of blah.. Good solid skater, but blah..If you watched Yu-na's short versus Kimmie, I think people would have a hard time believing Kimmie's the world champ, and Yu-na's the junior champ.

I very much agree. Kimmie is a solid skater, but she lacks connection to the audience. It's been hard for fans to embrace her ... she's a sweet enough kid ... she just doesn't have "it" ... IMHO, that is.

 

[bekalc]

I very much agree. Kimmie is a solid skater, but she lacks connection to the audience. It's been hard for fans to embrace her ... she's a sweet enough kid ... she just doesn't have "it" ... IMHO, that is.

She's a hard worker, and I'm glad for her that she earned one world championship...But unless Yu-na and Mao make mistakes/get injured in the coming years..I think Kimmie's championship will remain at one. Yu na is more consistent with 3/3's than Kimmie. Mao's more consistent with 3/3's and triple axels.

And both are better at presentation.

 

[flying camel]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/olymp...-headlines-sports-olympics&ctrack=1&cset=true

Article about short with quotes from the top ladies.

 

[soogar]

I'm not surprised by these results (save for the extremely poor showing by Joannie). Mao isn't the most consistent skater so I don't really understand how anyone can say she's unbeatable. And for all the haters who thought Emily wouldn't be in the top 10- international judges obviously see differently and value her skating skills.

Yu-Na isn't the most consistent skater either. I still think Kimmie has a shot at gold. 10 points could be made up with an extra jump.

 

[Kwanford Wife]

The real shocker is Joannie. She's almost been forgotten by folks on every skating forum. She landed some shaky jumps, but both the score and placement are just horrible. 49 points! 16th place! Her pcs averaged at low 6s, and some even dipped below 6s. Considering even Emily & Granny scored high 6s in PCS, Joannie was simply ignored by the judges. It's sort of sad situation. Why do judges hate Joannie? Why??

I too am sad that she's not having a great Worlds... I LOVE LOVE LOVE Little Wing and thought she did a good job with the program...

I don't think the judges hate her... She just hasn't really proven on the international stage that she's a true contender... Despite strong GPs, she peters out at the end of the season & that's the kiss of death... espcially when she allows the short program to have errors ala olympics. (or was her trouble in the long?? I have such a bad memory when it comes to non-podium spots...)

At last year's worlds, she was leading (I believe...) after the qualifing round & then blew it... Those types of things don't translate well when you don't come from a national program that gets the benefit of the doubt like the US, Russia and now Japan. If she wants to compete, she's gonna have to figure out a way to be more consistant... (or change her nationality... )

(KW runs from the rath of the Canadian fans...)

 

[Kwanford Wife]

I'm not surprised by these results (save for the extremely poor showing by Joannie). Mao isn't the most consistent skater so I don't really understand how anyone can say she's unbeatable. And for all the haters who thought Emily wouldn't be in the top 10- international judges obviously see differently and value her skating skills.

Yu-Na isn't the most consistent skater either. I still think Kimmie has a shot at gold. 10 points could be made up with an extra jump.

:agree:

Despite what board chatter would have one believe, I don't think that ANY of these skaters are unbeatable... the increase on technical difficulty, lack of consistency and continued injuries makes this competition and espcially the next four years hard to predict. It truly is anybody's game...

But of course, skating fans hate to admit that and will continue to anoint and rip apart as they see fit... :yes:

 

[katymay]

CCTV-5 showed a chinese skater (their best I assume) who skated a wonderful program really-and ended up with 46. something. This competition has so many wonderful skaters that if you don't stand out you get lost in the crowd. I guess that is what happened to Joanie.

The funny thing about Mao is she made just one tiny mistake-another competition she would still have been top three-her program was beautiful and light and lyrical-it is amazing to me that that small mistake left her so far down in the standings. I suppose this is a testament to the fact the so many girls really raised the bar to a new level-and so many were near perfect.

 

[bekalc]

I'm not surprised by these results (save for the extremely poor showing by Joannie). Mao isn't the most consistent skater so I don't really understand how anyone can say she's unbeatable. And for all the haters who thought Emily wouldn't be in the top 10- international judges obviously see differently and value her skating skills.

Yu-Na isn't the most consistent skater either. I still think Kimmie has a shot at gold. 10 points could be made up with an extra jump.

Yu-na's not perfect, but she's been more consistent this season than Kimmie Meissner has, and just about all the ladies..I'm sure this is reflected in Yu-na's scores...It's not about mistakes as it is about who is more likely to put out a decent performance.
I don't get why people say Mao's unbeatable. If she hits the triple axel and is clean yeah, sure then. But she has only hit one triple axel this season...

Now given Mao's position, I think she most certainly should go for the triple axel...But I think she needs to reevaluate the brackets.

 

[soogar]

It isn't what Yu na has done all season- it's what she can do the night of the LP.

 

[Kwanford Wife]

It isn't what Yu na has done all season- it's what she can do the night of the LP.

Stop it and play nice... you know that one's performance over the course of the season is more important than what they put out on the ice that night... (I think I hear Sarah Hughes & DivaKwara giggling in the back ground... )

 

[R.D.]

Wow, that's gonna be interesting. Kimmie couldn't have gotten a better draw...skating after Asada AND Kim. She'll know exactly what she needs to do then. My guess is that unless Mao goes for and lands HER 3A, Kimmie won't go for hers (and shouldn't).

Many people seem to be raving and raving about Kim, I want to see this one.

And according to that LA times article, Mao said she will go for the 3A (guess she has nothing to lose at this point)...if she lands it successfully, assuming the rest of the routine goes well that could be huge.

I hate to be premature but from reading that article it seems as if Kim's in very very good position to take it all :indiff: