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No! They got chacked by Eurosport, so thanks for the description.
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No! They got chacked by Eurosport, so thanks for the description.
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The Kerrs placed 10th in Torino and 11th in Calgary (where N/K, G/G, and FP-M did not compete), with practically the same total score (167.43 vs. 167.83).
Gregory/Petukhov placed 14th in Torino and 9th in Calgary, with a substantially higher score in Calgary (159.15 vs. 171.06)
ETA: I forgot to add D/L back into the mix, since they won silver at Calgary, but withdrew from Torino.
The politics are interesting, since the general scuttlebutt is that it's Shpilband and Dosnati that are in bed somehow. You think it would be in Shpilband's best interest for Gregory/Petukhov to drop like rocks and get the memo to leave, but, then again, they might block some younger teams that he doesn't coach -- I'm sure there's at least one -- from being competitive in time to gain enough international exposure to be a threat to his stable.
Gregory/Petukhov placed 14th in Torino and 9th in Calgary, with a substantially higher score in Calgary (159.15 vs. 171.06)
ETA: I forgot to add D/L back into the mix, since they won silver at Calgary, but withdrew from Torino.
The politics are interesting, since the general scuttlebutt is that it's Shpilband and Dosnati that are in bed somehow. You think it would be in Shpilband's best interest for Gregory/Petukhov to drop like rocks and get the memo to leave, but, then again, they might block some younger teams that he doesn't coach -- I'm sure there's at least one -- from being competitive in time to gain enough international exposure to be a threat to his stable.
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does anyone have a picture of this? Is she the one who wore the fur dangling from her hips?
No other team got a 2.00 point arbitrary deduction which dropped the Kerr's out of the top 10, and prevented them skating their FD in the penultimate group, without it, they would've beaten G&P and stayed in the top 10, which for a small insignificant nation in skating like GB means an awful lot.
This is what the Kerr's themselves said about the random deduction:
http://absoluteskating.proboards37....=display&thread=1165416557&page=19#1174748783
Does that not sound *political* to you? At the most important competition of the year?
I remember in the Olympics, Torvill and Dean were deducted for the exact same thing, which allowed Grishuk and Platov to win with their rock and roll program. I thought it was a travesty then too.
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my thoughts
Congratulations to Dubreuil and Lauzon!! Gold would have been better but silver is still great. I think that Albena and Maxim were a little better. Belbin and Agosto weren't that interesting.. I feel sorry for the French because they keep finishing just out of the medals at Worlds. I was also disappointed CBC didn't show Domnina and Shabalin's free dance because I would have liked to see how that went. I'm glad there was no rigging of the marks to get them in first place though like a lot of people thought there would be. I was really impressed with Virtue and Moir. That is so wonderful to finish 6th at your first world championships and almost unbelievable in ice dance. A few years ago, I doubt that would have happened because of politics.
Congratulations to Dubreuil and Lauzon!! Gold would have been better but silver is still great. I think that Albena and Maxim were a little better. Belbin and Agosto weren't that interesting.. I feel sorry for the French because they keep finishing just out of the medals at Worlds. I was also disappointed CBC didn't show Domnina and Shabalin's free dance because I would have liked to see how that went. I'm glad there was no rigging of the marks to get them in first place though like a lot of people thought there would be. I was really impressed with Virtue and Moir. That is so wonderful to finish 6th at your first world championships and almost unbelievable in ice dance. A few years ago, I doubt that would have happened because of politics.
If D&L do not retire, I honestly believe that there is a very good chance that Virtue and Moir will over-take them next year, both internationally and nationally, just as Dube and Davison did this year to Marcoux and Buntin. They were good enough this year to over-take them and if it wasn't for the "way things work" system of waiting, we would have seen them above D&L.
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HE had the fur - Davy Crockett in ancient Russia.
This is from Cup of Russia - same or at least similar to Worlds.
http://oksana-maksim.narod.ru/images/dSh8CoR06.jpg
I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED D/L ... so many Yes and Wow moments. I could have done without the constant image of him kissing her teeth though. :scowl: Also love D/S France, a little less here than earlier in the season. I couldn't stand D/S Bulgaria's FD, thought D/S Russia were preferable. And B/A ... what La Rhumba said.
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HE had the fur - Davy Crockett in ancient Russia.
This is from Cup of Russia - same or at least similar to Worlds.
http://oksana-maksim.narod.ru/images/dSh8CoR06.jpg
Actually, that's not far from the truth. Isn't he supposed to be Prince Igor, the barbarian who united the Russian tribes, or something like that? (Remember the Alamoski!)(BTW, if Spun Silver's link isn't link isn't clickable, copy and paste it into the address bar.)
What?! You didn't like his portrayal of one after another of the seven deadly sins (I think I missed his "gluttony"), while someone sounding like James Earl Jones intones them in Latin in the background?
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I don't see Virtue and Moir overtaking Dubreuil and Lauzon next year. Maybe in two or three years, but not next year.
I don't see Virtue and Moir overtaking Dubreuil and Lauzon next year. Maybe in two or three years, but not next year.
I've just seen the judges scores, an it seems D/L get a little higher GOE for some of their lifts then Den/Sta, but Den/Sta get higher GOE for twizzles, SLS,DSS. I am so surprised to see such a fair judging at least for the top 2.
Marie has said that she already knows the bulgarian anthem from hearing it so many times.
If they don't try their best to improve their elements besides the lifts, not only they won't get the tittle, but soon they won't be national champions neither. And i think they know that too.
Otherwise i prefer D/W better then V/M
Marie has said that she already knows the bulgarian anthem from hearing it so many times.
If they don't try their best to improve their elements besides the lifts, not only they won't get the tittle, but soon they won't be national champions neither. And i think they know that too.
Otherwise i prefer D/W better then V/M
me too...well this season's
i think d/w's version of polovstiandances is better ,in general than dom/sha
but of course dom/sha is technically better...interpretation-wisethe americans win...
dom/sha = too wild....flailing arms all over...too much upper body....
Just me observation.... Why when Domanina and Shabalin riched high place it is too soon and due to politics involved. But when Virtue and Moir riched high place in their first championship - it is fair and it is sign of no politics involved?
By the way I really love both teams skating.
By the way I really love both teams skating.
I desagree. The interpretation of Plovetsky Dance by americans is so unamatuer and so far from music and concept.
Anyone who watches Virtue and Moir skate can tell that politics has nothing to do with their high placement - the only way politics affected them was by holding them back! They have a connection, skills and presentation that is as rare as Torvill and Dean and if politics were not involved they would have been at the top of the podium this year. I love Tanith and Ben, and have been a supporter of them in the past but I stronly hated their free dance this year. I don't use that word lightly. I hated it and with her mistakes, it was a travesty that Virtue and Moir were not placed higher than them.
I think we may see them overtake D&L next year, if politics doesn't get in the way.
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We just got a repeat of the highlights on BBC, and they chose to show the Kerr's [obviously] V&M, D&W, D&L and Den&Stav in full and chacked B&A in Bronze.
Robin Cousins was comparing what the Kerr's need to improve to progress as icedancers and climb the rankings with newcomers like the two former Junior couples entering the fray.
However many times you watch both their FDs the impact doesn't fade, and you can't help but be impressed, and swoon, with equal measure. The way D&W upped the pace in that last minute as the music reached a cresecendo was stunning. For V&M - 4 mins of sheer beauty. I'm still in awe of both couples - oustanding.
Robin Cousins was comparing what the Kerr's need to improve to progress as icedancers and climb the rankings with newcomers like the two former Junior couples entering the fray.
However many times you watch both their FDs the impact doesn't fade, and you can't help but be impressed, and swoon, with equal measure. The way D&W upped the pace in that last minute as the music reached a cresecendo was stunning. For V&M - 4 mins of sheer beauty. I'm still in awe of both couples - oustanding.
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It was not so unusual at all to finish in the top 10 on debut in Dance, I can remember many couples achieving this in the past - by past I'm talking 15, 20 years ago. What has occurred in the past decade is not how Dance has always been since it became a WC event. You're glad that DomShabs were not awarded scores to "get them in first place" but B&A were handed a Bronze Medal on a plate that they did not fully deserve.
The FD protocols showing they received +1 GOEs for Tanith's faulty twizzles makes you seriously wonder what's going on?
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Aw, don't hasten their departure. They are lovely to watch, and I hope they stay. There's room for both.
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Here are my thoughts on the dance competition.
Denkova/Staviyski--They were the deserving winners in my opinion. Both their OD and FD were error-free and skated with strength and passion. I enjoyed them. I agree that their FD feels quite similar in tone and style to some of their other FDs, however, I still greatly enjoyed it.
Dubreuil/Lauzon--They are just magical. I love them. Their free dance is so effortless and beautiful to watch. They have such a polish to their skating--every gesture and movement is perfect and complete. However, this performance wasn't as strong as FCC or the Grand Prix events. They had the mistakes on the twizzles, plus another little slip at one point, and an overall lack of power compared to the Bulgarians. It just wasn't their night to win, but they were very deserving silver medalists.
Belbin/Agosto--Mixed emotions here. I personally love their Amelie program. The music is wonderful, and there are some lovely moments in the choreography. I did really enjoy the dance, despite the few mistakes. It was much better than at FCC and Nationals--yet, still not up to their usual level. I did notice a lack of speed in the early part of the program, and my husband commented on a lack of connection between them. I enjoyed their skating as always, but I must admit I was a little surprised they held onto the bronze.
Delobel/Schoenfelder--I guess I'm in the minority, but I felt they didn't skate particularly well in this event. Both their OD and FD seemed labored to me, as if the connections from one movement to the next weren't flowing quite right. I really love their Untouchables program, but I think they did it much better at Europeans and Grand Prix. Another problem with this team is that I continue to feel Isabelle's posture and flexibility are not quite on the same level as the other top ladies. (Actually, posture and line aren't strong points with Olivier either, but I think problems in this area tend to be more noticeable with a lady.) And also, the connection between them certainly is nowhere as strong as with Den/Sta or Dubreuil/Lauzon. My guess is it's really these latter problems that are keeping them off the podium.
Domnina/Shabalin--Mixed emotions. I don't think this team has the same level of difficulty as the other top teams (as Susie Wynne pointed out). Also, I find their free dance terribly overwrought and frenetic. On the other hand, they did actually skate it quite well. So I wonder if they did suffer a bit from a political backlash.
Virtue/Moir--Lovely program. The music, choroeography, and performance all came together in a beautiful package. They certainly skated beautifully. I don't know if I agree with other posters that they deserved to be on the podium, though. They are still very young and don't have the polish or power of the top teams. But they were lovely to watch.
Davis/White--I am so excited about this team. I really enjoy them. I actually much preferred their version of the Polovtsian Dances to Domnina/Shabalin's. They are just so good technically, yet they also have a softness and musicality to their movement, and I love the intricacy of their choreography. Also, their twizzles are amazing and definitely the best in the world right now. Obviously they need to grow still in terms of their presentation, but they have so much potential. It's going to be very exciting watching them compete against Virute/Moir over the next few years. Both teams are so good, yet in such different ways. It's fascinating.
Gregory/Petukhov--Their long program was interesting, but it just didn't seem to have the technical content. Too bad--I like this team, and hoped to see them do better.
Denkova/Staviyski--They were the deserving winners in my opinion. Both their OD and FD were error-free and skated with strength and passion. I enjoyed them. I agree that their FD feels quite similar in tone and style to some of their other FDs, however, I still greatly enjoyed it.
Dubreuil/Lauzon--They are just magical. I love them. Their free dance is so effortless and beautiful to watch. They have such a polish to their skating--every gesture and movement is perfect and complete. However, this performance wasn't as strong as FCC or the Grand Prix events. They had the mistakes on the twizzles, plus another little slip at one point, and an overall lack of power compared to the Bulgarians. It just wasn't their night to win, but they were very deserving silver medalists.
Belbin/Agosto--Mixed emotions here. I personally love their Amelie program. The music is wonderful, and there are some lovely moments in the choreography. I did really enjoy the dance, despite the few mistakes. It was much better than at FCC and Nationals--yet, still not up to their usual level. I did notice a lack of speed in the early part of the program, and my husband commented on a lack of connection between them. I enjoyed their skating as always, but I must admit I was a little surprised they held onto the bronze.
Delobel/Schoenfelder--I guess I'm in the minority, but I felt they didn't skate particularly well in this event. Both their OD and FD seemed labored to me, as if the connections from one movement to the next weren't flowing quite right. I really love their Untouchables program, but I think they did it much better at Europeans and Grand Prix. Another problem with this team is that I continue to feel Isabelle's posture and flexibility are not quite on the same level as the other top ladies. (Actually, posture and line aren't strong points with Olivier either, but I think problems in this area tend to be more noticeable with a lady.) And also, the connection between them certainly is nowhere as strong as with Den/Sta or Dubreuil/Lauzon. My guess is it's really these latter problems that are keeping them off the podium.
Domnina/Shabalin--Mixed emotions. I don't think this team has the same level of difficulty as the other top teams (as Susie Wynne pointed out). Also, I find their free dance terribly overwrought and frenetic. On the other hand, they did actually skate it quite well. So I wonder if they did suffer a bit from a political backlash.
Virtue/Moir--Lovely program. The music, choroeography, and performance all came together in a beautiful package. They certainly skated beautifully. I don't know if I agree with other posters that they deserved to be on the podium, though. They are still very young and don't have the polish or power of the top teams. But they were lovely to watch.
Davis/White--I am so excited about this team. I really enjoy them. I actually much preferred their version of the Polovtsian Dances to Domnina/Shabalin's. They are just so good technically, yet they also have a softness and musicality to their movement, and I love the intricacy of their choreography. Also, their twizzles are amazing and definitely the best in the world right now. Obviously they need to grow still in terms of their presentation, but they have so much potential. It's going to be very exciting watching them compete against Virute/Moir over the next few years. Both teams are so good, yet in such different ways. It's fascinating.
Gregory/Petukhov--Their long program was interesting, but it just didn't seem to have the technical content. Too bad--I like this team, and hoped to see them do better.
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