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Any speculation on Emily's poor performance? Maybe the late arrival left her with jet lag? Also - it bugs me that no one except our resident weight maniac will say it - she's carrying around too much weight to lug up in the air. I'm a big defender of different body types but is there any heavier lady out there at this level? Athletes need to watch their weight, period, male or female. Anyway, whatever it was - it was a dreadful performance that got very little reaction from the generally warm audience. I was surprised she ended up in the top 10.
 
Mathman said:
Here's the link.

http://217.158.112.238/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-180657-197875-nav-list,00.html

Asada $45,000 (U.S.$)
Kim $27,000
Nakano $18,000

Takahashi $45,000
Joubert $27,000
Oda $18,000

Zhang/Zhang $67,500
Shen/Zhao $40,500
Savchenko/Szolkowy $27,000

Dubreuil/Lauzon $67,500
Denkova/Staviski $40,500
Domnina/Shabulin $27,000
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I don't understand the ranking. How could Z&Z rank ahead of S&Z and S&S?
and how could D&L rank ahead of D&S?? Domnina&Shabulin ahead of B&A???
No Lambiel?? Very strange.
 
Zuranthium said:
No, I don't think Yu-Na Kim got overscored. She was underscored, in fact, because they gave her 0 points for her Salchow (since she did it in combination and had already used up all her combination slots....another poor rule which needs to be fixed). I would have had her in 3rd place for the Long Program.
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I agree with this. If she had just left the 2T off of the last combo she would have got an extra 4.95 points -- for doing less!

It's a little bit weird how she got herself into this predicament inthe first place. In the GP final she did 3F+3T, 2A, 3Lz, 3Lz+2T+2Lo, 2A, 3S+2T, 2A (three double Axels, no triple loop?).

At worlds she upgraded her second element to 2A+3T. But then when she did her second 3Lz she fell and couldn't do the intended combo. In the heat of the moment she must have forgot that the second Lutz still counted as a sequence. Maybe she thought that since she missed her Lutz sequence she could make up for it by tacking a 2T onto her Salchow (she must have planned just a triple Salchow there?)

Anyway, adding it all up, the fall on the Lutz ended up costing her about 12 points.
 
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Tinymavy15 said:
Mao was great. I though that the changes hs emade to the program were great and that triple axel looked so EASY! By the way, iwould not call it a double foot. she did the same thing on t he tripel toe after the double axel. Her tequince is so that her feet are still very crossed when she lands. She does not doubel foot the landing, but the free fott comes around and hits the ice after she lands on one foot.
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Watch again, she definitely, obviously, two-footed the triple axel. It is very clear in slow-mo, and I even noticed it at full speed, on first watch of the program.

I also hated the changes she made to her program, which I found notably lacking in artistry, particularly when compared to her SP which was an artistic masterpiece. I noted earlier in the season, and still had the exact same beef after watching it at worlds, that for Asada she could either perform her LP, or she could get the jumps done, but not both at once.
 
flying camel said:
Emily could stand to loose a few, but I would just hate to see her looking all hungry and anorexic.
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Losing 20 pounds won't make her look all hungry and anorexic. As an elite skater, Emily needs to watch her weight, it seems to me her weight really has an impact on her jumps. Three jumps in the long program got downgraded. She might not have the energy to fully rotate her relatively big body.

Lu Chen also had a tendency to gain extra pounds. She had a disastrous 1997 worldchampionships, and had to lose more than 20 lbs in order to be competitive at Olys.
 
iloveaxel said:
I don't understand the ranking. How could Z&Z rank ahead of S&Z and S&S?
and how could D&L rank ahead of D&S?? Domnina&Shabulin ahead of B&A???
No Lambiel?? Very strange.
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It's about accumulated points throughout the season - not necessarily number of wins. The more ISU events you skate in each season, and the better you do in each event equals more points (like the Grand Prix). Someone explained it here last year about this time. Lambiel is listed at #9 under the men.
 
iloveaxel said:
Losing 20 pounds won't make her look all hungry and anorexic. As an elite skater, Emily needs to watch her weight, it seems to me her weight really has an impact on her jumps. Three jumps in the long program got downgraded. She might not have the energy to fully rotate her relatively big body.
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Last night I saw Emily at the closing banquet, and was struck by how thin she looked in the upper body compared to the way she looks on TV or on the ice. I don't think she has 20 pounds to lose. She just has a body type that is heavy in the bottom and the thighs -- and it is mostly muscle. Starving herself isn't going to change that. Plus skaters all tend to look heavier on the ice and on TV than they really are.

I don't know why she missed jumps she normaly get around on, but I doubt it is because of her weight. Overall, she had good speed and energy while covering the ice. She didn't move like she is overweight or out of shape. I would leave the girl alone. She is fine just the way she is.
 
iloveaxel said:
I'm no huge fan of Kimmie's skating, but don't you guys think Kim got overscored in free skate with two falls?

In my opinion, Kimmie should have won over Kim by a larger margin in free skate.

Glad Kimmie Meisner's 3+3 got downgraded. She does not have a true 3+3 compared with Mao, Kim and Miki, let alone 3A.
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Yu-Na had a huge SP score. tha is why she was ahead. If they were even after the SP, kimmiw probably would have been in third.
 
Oh jesus. She is insane.

I love it. :clap:

BTW, I wouldn't have marked her down on the Triple Axle. The two-footing was so slight and her air position and flow-out were still beautiful.

~Z
 
gsrossano said:
Last night I saw Emily at the closing banquet, and was struck by how thin she looked in the upper body compared to the way she looks on TV or on the ice. I don't think she has 20 pounds to lose. She just has a body type that is heavy in the bottom and the thighs -- and it is mostly muscle. Starving herself isn't going to change that. Plus skaters all tend to look heavier on the ice and on TV than they really are.

I don't know why she missed jumps she normaly get around on, but I doubt it is because of her weight. Overall, she had good speed and energy while covering the ice. She didn't move like she is overweight or out of shape. I would leave the girl alone. She is fine just the way she is.
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But this is not the first time her jumps got downgraded. At Cup of China, at least two or three jumps got downgraded as well.

Skating is a very precise sport. If u put on even 3-5 pounds above your optimum weight(for jumps), that will throw u off balance. She just looks so laboured while doing those jumps, it's crazy.

Lu Chen also underrotated lots of jumps at 1998 Olys, she looked far thinner than Emily.
 
Mathman said:
Here's the link.

http://217.158.112.238/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-180657-197875-nav-list,00.html

Asada $45,000 (U.S.$)
Kim $27,000
Nakano $18,000

Takahashi $45,000
Joubert $27,000
Oda $18,000

Zhang/Zhang $67,500
Shen/Zhao $40,500
Savchenko/Szolkowy $27,000

Dubreuil/Lauzon $67,500
Denkova/Staviski $40,500
Domnina/Shabulin $27,000
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It's the accumulated points achieved throughout this season only that counts, so according to http://217.158.112.238/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-181993-199211-119552-0-file,00.pdf it will be as follows.

Asada $45,000
Kim $45,000
Ando $18,000
(Asada and Kim tied for 1st)

Takahashi $45,000
Joubert $27,000
Oda $18,000

Shen/Zhao $67,500
Savchenko/Szolkowy $40,500
Zhang/Zhang $40,500
(S/S and Z/Z tied for 2nd)

Denkova/Staviski $67,500
Dubreuil/Lauzon $40,500
Domnina/Shabulin $27,000
 
gsrossano said:
Overall, she had good speed and energy while covering the ice. She didn't move like she is overweight or out of shape. I would leave the girl alone. She is fine just the way she is.
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You were not watching ESPN, I assume? When she skated just as I thought how come like the slow mo? Peggy said out of my mind 'it was like slow motion'. She definitely looks like trugle/dragged through the whole program. Especially after the fall, she looked so 'causions'.

She looks rather 'thin' at upper body, but 'thick' at lower body, especially the thigh part.
 
emily is fine. she doesn't need to be anorexic.

You have a determined competitor in Asada, ready to set the bar even higher. However, she should look out for herself. I like those who don't play it safe and go for the "big stuff"...but now this is just talk. Who knows, maybe she wants to further scare Ando and the Americans and Europeans.

However, that won't make me like her skating any more. Granted, I much prefer her and Kim to Ando but I dunno, I just can't like her for some reason.
 
A couple of thoughts....
1. what did Mira say that has everyone thinking she needs an attatude adjustment? I'm not being rude, I just am not sure what was said....anyone?

I was not all that impressed with Worlds this year. Yes, there was drama - skaters imploding ect. but I really don't see any of the current ladies as anything but flashes in the pan. Yes, they can jump and some have a sense of artistry but in 3 years, where will they be? I suppose I'm not convinced that this group of ladies isn't anything more than a short term thing. As for the emerging asian skaters...I'm really not all that impressed...I guess I don't see much real emotion while they skate. I see it when they get thier scores, but not on the ice. I'm not sure if it's because I'm a westerner and have grown up with skaters that show more emotion or if I'm just cynicle. While I don't think we need more Hughes' that react so spastically when they land a jump - as if they've just won the lottery, but the asian gals seem so automated.

What happend with Emily? I use to like her skating and her personality but now, I'm not that impressed with her skating and some remarks that she has made and the tone in her voice rubs me the wrong way - hmmm...

Well...I do have to say, I LOVED Carolina's SP...and I'm not usualy a fan of hers. I also like her SP costume and LOVED her LP costume (with exception to the chopsticks in the hair). I'm usually not a fan of her dresses.....

once I have time to process all the skating, I'll have more to say....but I would love to hear what the deal is with Mira Leung (sp) the other Canadian skater is....
 
I agree. Not an impressive Worlds for me...but better (overall) than last year, I must say. Last year only Kimmie's performance was outstanding, but only the jumps were...the whole thing to me was just bleh. And this year, I liked her freeskate- it's my favorite of them all...but she just sort of "held on" and "got the job done". It was a nice moment to see Ando so happy- even if the performance once again was just bleh- and the look on Mao's face when she realized she didn't win :laugh: but, there's nothing from the worlds that I'm going to remember, nothing at all. Very underwhelming and disappointing. :no: Maybe Kim's short program though- that was pretty impressive coming from her.

What happend with Emily? I use to like her skating and her personality but now, I'm not that impressed with her skating and some remarks that she has made and the tone in her voice rubs me the wrong way - hmmm...
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MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY! Where was her normal "enthusiasm"? I saw a different Emily out there and it's not an Emily I particularly enjoy. She needs a more upbeat piece, because I agree with the commentators- she looked slower and more laboured (and, at risk for this sounding bad, "big"). And that "tone" in her voice was exactly what I was alluding to in my Hughes thread...it's too bad really, I once found her REALLY likeable. Now I get the impression she's a little overconfident.
 
Red Dog said:
emily is fine. she doesn't need to be anorexic.
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There is a LONG way from Emily to anorexia. To drop 10 pounds would not put her anywhere near underweight, and would make her feel and move lighter on the ice.

ETA: dwiggin, see the "Mira Leung aims to surprise the world (top eight)" thread in this same Worlds Forum.
 
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