well the comment i was responding to was asking about whether or not jojo was a well known person, obviously alina is more successful as a figure skater since jojo to my knowledge does not actually skate lol.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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well the comment i was responding to was asking about whether or not jojo was a well known person, obviously alina is more successful as a figure skater since jojo to my knowledge does not actually skate lol.
LOL, so you have no problem someone stealing someon else's work and trying to pass it off as his own. But the person, whose work was stolen and complained too loudly, is the villain.
Next time I get pickpocketed and yell and point out the thief to a crowd. I hope the police arrest me for being a bully to the thief.
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It’s always a beautiful moment when we get to see posters’ true colours. Imagine the backlash if this was our girl Evgenia, or someone like Bradie. You all wouldn’t be defending them and reaching for it. 
I think those defending Daniil or Alina need to drop it. He said she saw the choreo in his post. He knew what he was doing, she agreed to be the ‘muse’. Let it go. I’m sure no one is happy to be copied and you all should 100% not be defending the actions of your faves for terrible decisions.
I think those defending Daniil or Alina need to drop it. He said she saw the choreo in his post. He knew what he was doing, she agreed to be the ‘muse’. Let it go. I’m sure no one is happy to be copied and you all should 100% not be defending the actions of your faves for terrible decisions.
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I totally understand your frustration. Trying to understand the logic there is impossible because it’s not based on logic at all. I think any reasonable person would agree that Daniil made a booboo, and it’s ok if Jojo called it out. No one died or anything, in reality not really that huge of a deal.
It’s funny how the thread has led to talk about legality even though I’m sure almost no one cares about the minutiae of copyright law. But it’s gone there because no one wants to acknowledge the real elephant in the room, which is that it’s really just extreme unhealthy fanaticism, leading to people doing mental gymnastics and twisting reality because the objects of their fanaticism can’t do anything wrong. I mean calling Jojo a villain, and saying Alina Zagitiva should sue is really really out of order, yet people totally thumbs up these comments like it’s totally ok because this type of extremism is accepted. That tends to be the state of things here, and no amount of logic can seem to fight this fanatical thinking.
In music and dance we count beats. More than 48 beats of choreography have been copied. I'm sure this is obvious to everyone.
This should go in the description of this thread.
It is, isn't it? I keep reading some peoples' posts, certain there's gotta be some sort of logic or truth to them and it must be me who's missing it. But nope. Just fanaticism at its best.
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You might want to go to FSU for that
I've seen people blaming Alina for copying since she's seen the video as well. Guys, let's not forget that elite skaters are insanely sheltered and even at an older age still have blind trust in their coaches. If your coach/choreographer asks you if you like something and says "let's do it", you do it. These kids live in a different world and aren't necessarily familiar with national or international copyright laws, ok?
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My main concern with this copying thing is that this wasn't a competitive program which was presented in the context of an official ISU competition but it was a skating show where the skaters are being paid to entertain the spectators. To top that it was aired on the National TV in Japan and is now spreading on YT. Prior to these news I had never heard of JoJo or however this person's name is and initially thought that this was all Daniil's own work and appreciated it. Now, I kind of feel let down. Especially, because during the drama with the song choice I had hinted that this tendency for "getting inspired" from others ideas hasn't appeared only once and people accused me of hating and talking nonsense because there are so many common moves that every skaters seems to do and this isn't copying etc. Fair enough, I then agreed with those people and thought that I was exaggerating. But now in this situation it is pretty clear that it was copying of a very specific work, not just some random figure skating moves. I have absolutely no understanding for people presenting this act as a minor mistake when we are talking about official choreographer. Isn't he aware of the ethics in his work field?
I asked then and I am asking now, since this situation is raising a very central question in the world of figure skating - is there any protection on the intellectual work on figure skating choreographers? Also, are there any consequences for figure skating choreographers copying other dance/ballet/theatre/whatever choreographic moves and themes?
I asked then and I am asking now, since this situation is raising a very central question in the world of figure skating - is there any protection on the intellectual work on figure skating choreographers? Also, are there any consequences for figure skating choreographers copying other dance/ballet/theatre/whatever choreographic moves and themes?
You might want to go to FSU for that
I've seen people blaming Alina for copying since she's seen the video as well. Guys, let's not forget that elite skaters are insanely sheltered and even at an older age still have blind trust in their coaches. If your coach/choreographer asks you if you like something and says "let's do it", you do it. These kids live in a different world and aren't necessarily familiar with national or international copyright laws, ok?
Agreed. And even putting that aside, just because Daniil showed Alina the video once doesn't mean she was aware that she was copying it without credit. She wouldn't have known, or needed to care, if Daniil asked Jojo for permission or not. Because she's not the choreographer. It's not her responsibility. Someone else gives her the choreo, she skates it, that's all.
I've seen some people saying that Daniil was throwing Alina under the bus/shifting some of the attention to her with that edited caption about showing her the video. And seeing people flocking to hate on Alina after that (when the attention was almost entirely on Daniil before) kind of makes me think that statement has truth to it.
People should not be blaming anybody but Daniil. If you scroll down Daniil's page a little, you'll see Jojo's followers hating on Anna, too, on the EYOF post (I assume they have her confused with Alina because they look similar). Saying she needs to get her gold medal taken away. They don't even realise they have the wrong girl.
Alina is blameless. (Anna is obviously blameless). If people are lashing out at this choreography scandal, then the target should clearly be Daniil. He's the adult. He's the choreographer. He's the coach. He is responsible.
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We are not talking about the music choice but about copying the choreography without giving credit to the original choreographer. I am glad that your first post is already trying to put some shade and to distract the attention from the ones who are at fault but this won't work.
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Because daniil made it out to be his own choreo, but it isn't, the beginning, the cry eyes, the tongue, that is exactly the same as Jojo, its copied. And he never gave her credit, if daniil had just mentioned that he took something from her video,and if he had talked to her beforehand than it would have been ok, its also that it is not the official music video for the song but Jojo came up with that choreo herself so yes it is considered stolen
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A lot of skater doing kpop choreography in there skating and no one ever talked about it
Because K-Pop dances are from the original artists, who are publicly credited in the music choice. Jojo Gomez's dance is her own that she choreographed for classes and filming, and has nothing to do with Billie Eilish. She receives no credit.
Daniil copying Jojo's choreography isn't like a skater copying moves from a movie that the program is based on. It's more like a skater copying moves from another skater's program inspired by the same movie.
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You might want to go to FSU for that
I've seen people blaming Alina for copying since she's seen the video as well. Guys, let's not forget that elite skaters are insanely sheltered and even at an older age still have blind trust in their coaches. If your coach/choreographer asks you if you like something and says "let's do it", you do it. These kids live in a different world and aren't necessarily familiar with national or international copyright laws, ok?
Really, the only thing Alina should do is edit her post on Instagram and say something like “inspired by Jojo Gomez“ and that‘s it. Hopefully this will solve the issue of people going to her account and hating on her and if not - turn off the comments as soon as possible.
It’s not her fault that this is happening. I think it‘s a bit cowardly of Daniil to say he showed Alina the video and act as if they did the program together. Why try to share the blame? The girl‘s 17. She was probably not even aware they were doing something wrong and even then, would she have protested and accused her choreographer with whom she‘s been working for years of plagiarism? I don‘t think so. Daniil calls her his ”muse“, he is her coach and she trusts him. I don‘t think the people who hate on her realise that she has close to no say whatsoever in what she‘s doing on the ice. She was told “go skate to it“, she liked it and had no objections and did it. The really bad thing is that she went to a well known Japanese show and skated the program there, where it was later on published on National television. It‘s HER face that people will recognize, not Daniil‘s.
It also bothers me that this is showing figure skating in a bad light to a broad audience that doesn‘t know this sport properly anyway. Alina is one of THE faces of figures skating. She‘s the reigning World and Olympic Champ. Lots of people will be introduced to her and this sport only through this “scandal“ and it annoys me. I‘d rather Daniil had asked Gomez beforehand. Imagine what would have happened then. She could have shared it on instagram, thanking the two for appreciating her work. Maybe they could have worked together in the future. More people would have been made aware of Alina as the cute, strong girl who won the Olympics but also loves popular teenage songs. Many could have related to that. It would finally have shown our sport in a good light with Alina the sort of ambassador she deserves to be, not just the judging scandals and plagiarism and whatnot.
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Because those moves are from the original music videos, but this choreo here is jojos own choreo, and if someone uses her choreo they should ask her before hand and give credit to her but not make it out as if it is his own choreo.
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- copying the first 20-30 sec of someone's choreography without giving him a credit is not copying/stealing, the skater was just biting his shirt, this is not choreography
- it's not a valuation of the copyright law so you are entitled to get credit for someone else's work, big deal, it's not unethical
- intellectual work, what is that?
- everyone is doing it, big deal
Eastern European mindset at it's finest. And I am Eastern European myself.....
- it's not a valuation of the copyright law so you are entitled to get credit for someone else's work, big deal, it's not unethical
- intellectual work, what is that?
- everyone is doing it, big deal
Eastern European mindset at it's finest. And I am Eastern European myself.....
